G11 and S90 Arrival and Prices in SINGAPORE !!!!!
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StreetShooter
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The case I was given was quite lousy - a bit too tight. Not sure whether this is the one given by Canon because I collected from Alan Photo - receipt is chopped REDEEMED FROM CANON. The 8GB card was a Lexar Class 4.
StreetShooter
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Anyone else with a s90 with a similar problem with the LCD corners.
My LCD corners are perfectly OK.
Shen siung
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IMO, since Cathay selling at $700, thus I feel slightly expensive.
The cleaning kit can be very cheap, so i feel basically the battery is cost $39. If you feel the battery worth the price, then is ok to grab the deal.
Shen siung
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Oh is it a soft pouch, like cloth (not plastic) type? TK told me via phone the pouch like this.
StreetShooter
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Pics of the pouch:
Made of nylon, with velcro fasteners.
You need to stuff the camera in, and when you do, the flap won't close properly.
Paid $670 for camera, case and 8GB class 4 card. No screen protector.
Made of nylon, with velcro fasteners.
You need to stuff the camera in, and when you do, the flap won't close properly.
Paid $670 for camera, case and 8GB class 4 card. No screen protector.
Briefly tried out the S90 today at Canon Showroom at Harbourfront - here are my initial impressions. (Disclaimer: Following are purely my own views only)
Pros:
Cons:
I had been waiting for this cam with some anticipation now, expecting it to at least equal or beat the LX3 in terms of handling/useability and IQ. From samples posted and initial user reviews it seems ISO performance is great up till ISO 800 with low noise. However the major problem with this camera is one of a design flaw...the rear control dial is much too loose and spins way too easily. Now if there was a physical toggle to turn it off or thru a custom function in the menu, that would be a moot point, but no, Canon configured the control dial such that it just about controls almost every important aspect of the camera in any mode, be it scene modes or the A,P,S,M modes, and for ppl with larger than average hands and fingers (like me) - any accidental slight nudge changes settings almost instantly.
This is a major disappointment for me and a turnoff coz Canon obviously did not consider this potentially serious design flaw and did not implement a wheel with stiffer resistance turning or implement a hardware switch to disable the control dial or by an option thru the menu. It is annoying becoz instead of focusing on the photography aspect you are subconsciously forced to "babysit" the control dial in fear of inadvertently changing its settings - and this to me mars the entire phototaking experience altogether.
I just hope Canon takes steps to rectify this design flaw - other than this the S90 is an excellent cam in its own right. IQ wise from the samples I've seen on the cam and posted by many others, its quite decent but also could be a lot better for a camera at this price range which is too close to that of the LX3 to not discount that older camera if one is deciding between both models.
Pros:
- Very small and lightweight and truly pocketable - much slimmer profile than say Panasonic LX3
- The lens control ring is quite a brilliant concept...configurable thru the top button and can use it to change ISO, EC, aperture, focal length etc.
- Large, bright and clear 3" LCD monitor
- Noise control looks very good up to ISO 800
Cons:
- The cam is rather small and unfortunately no moulded grip especially in front which is completely flat and made out of smooth (aluminium alloy?)...may not be easy maintain a firm and comfortable grip on the camera under certain cirumstances
- Controls layout are quite small and easily mistakenly press the wrong one if one has large hands
- Rear Control dial - A major PITA in my opinion! (see below)
I had been waiting for this cam with some anticipation now, expecting it to at least equal or beat the LX3 in terms of handling/useability and IQ. From samples posted and initial user reviews it seems ISO performance is great up till ISO 800 with low noise. However the major problem with this camera is one of a design flaw...the rear control dial is much too loose and spins way too easily. Now if there was a physical toggle to turn it off or thru a custom function in the menu, that would be a moot point, but no, Canon configured the control dial such that it just about controls almost every important aspect of the camera in any mode, be it scene modes or the A,P,S,M modes, and for ppl with larger than average hands and fingers (like me) - any accidental slight nudge changes settings almost instantly.
This is a major disappointment for me and a turnoff coz Canon obviously did not consider this potentially serious design flaw and did not implement a wheel with stiffer resistance turning or implement a hardware switch to disable the control dial or by an option thru the menu. It is annoying becoz instead of focusing on the photography aspect you are subconsciously forced to "babysit" the control dial in fear of inadvertently changing its settings - and this to me mars the entire phototaking experience altogether.
I just hope Canon takes steps to rectify this design flaw - other than this the S90 is an excellent cam in its own right. IQ wise from the samples I've seen on the cam and posted by many others, its quite decent but also could be a lot better for a camera at this price range which is too close to that of the LX3 to not discount that older camera if one is deciding between both models.
At this pricing its pretty close to LX3 pricing - while I think S90 is a great new cam in the advanced compact category, its still fairly pricy for a compact digicam.
This rear control dial ring is pretty bad IMO....it is way too loose and spins just at slightest nudge - and u can't configure the rear dial to not change any settings by default. A very bad oversight by Canon, and major design flaw.... :thumbsd:
Bro, I try this cam at Jurong Point yesterday too but apart from the pros you mentioned above, I wasn't too impressed by it either.
Thankfully, I haven't bought it yet so there's still time for comparison between this and LX3. :sweat:
Thanks... will bring mine in for a replacement...
Anyone else with a s90 with a similar problem with the LCD corners.
Dr Chai! my s90 is also hving the same problem. there's a glowing light at the bottom right of the LCD screen. pls update us as soon as u got the solution. :thumbsup:
Shen siung
Senior Member
Thanks for the sharing.
So, just to confirm with you, you are quite satisfy with the IQ of the camera? (Just the IQ)
Thanks Garion, useful info. I've noticed too-loose dials on my previous cameras too: D70 (mode dial), Fuji F31, LX3. I'll also add SX1 rotating control dial to the list. Will remember to try out the rear dial myself. Maybe designers all over believe only chunky cameras need firm dials? :-(
For all those still tied up in dilemna in deciding between Canon S90 and Panasonic LX3 - the following link might be useful (it is a Spanish review site comparing btw both cameras - directly translated from Babelfish - sentences might be a bit weird but the pictures speak for themselves)
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translat...omparativa,1_5784&lp=es_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
See the link above for detailed review and samples comparison between Canon S90 and Panasonic LX3 for those still deciding btw the two cams.
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translat...omparativa,1_5784&lp=es_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
See above link for the comparison. For me I'm still stuck in dilemna also - I was almost 100% sure I would get this S90 but now that I've tried it I think I'll give it a miss, unfortunately. The loose rear dial is enough of a turn-off for me...a pity coz I really like this camera's size compared to LX3. Not sure now whether to wait out some more for an LX4 or just go ahead to whack LX3.Bro, I try this cam at Jurong Point yesterday too but apart from the pros you mentioned above, I wasn't too impressed by it either.
Thankfully, I haven't bought it yet so there's still time for comparison between this and LX3. :sweat:
Generally I find the IQ average only - at lower ISO the direct from cam JPEGS are abit soft - can be tuned via post process I guess. This cam has slightly better noise processing than say LX3 ...ISO 800 still generally noise free unless one tends to pixel peep. ISO 1600 quite noisy liao but still acceptable if one downsize the pic for web-size viewing. Lens-wise I still think the one on LX3 is still better.
See the link above for detailed review and samples comparison between Canon S90 and Panasonic LX3 for those still deciding btw the two cams.
I know, I find it downright weird of Canon to overlook this problem. If you have tried the SX200IS it also shared a somewhat similar rear panel configuration with the S90...with the loose spinning rear control dial also. For something of a higher price range it should not have this fault - implementing click stop wheel like the one on G11 might have been a better idea.
Shen siung
Senior Member
Thanks Garion for the link.
Extract from the side "The same applies to optical coverage, another of the key arguments for choosing one of two compact. If ours is the angle, no doubt the 24 mm f2 of the LX3 is the road. But if we look a little more versatility and are willing to tolerate a lower brightness in the telephoto lens aberrations and fight with the 28-105 mm from the S90 will be a better choice."
Probably my previous self conclusion still holds: if look for wider angle - LX3; look for longer zoom and low light versatile - S90
Extract from the side "The same applies to optical coverage, another of the key arguments for choosing one of two compact. If ours is the angle, no doubt the 24 mm f2 of the LX3 is the road. But if we look a little more versatility and are willing to tolerate a lower brightness in the telephoto lens aberrations and fight with the 28-105 mm from the S90 will be a better choice."
Probably my previous self conclusion still holds: if look for wider angle - LX3; look for longer zoom and low light versatile - S90
Hi, most photographers have a backup cam, it's either another DSLR or P&S (in this case, we are comparing LX3 and S90). With the launching of S90 (plus acceptance of all its cons as described above), imho, this cam will beat LX3 in almost all aspects.
Consider these scenarios,
1. DSLR + UWA - most likely opt for S90 for greater zoom. compactness etc
2. DSLR + 18-55 / 15-85 / 18-200 / many lens etc - mostly likely will opt for S90 for compactness and easy carrying
So the qn remains, when do we need an LX3 then? Any thoughts to share? :think:
Consider these scenarios,
1. DSLR + UWA - most likely opt for S90 for greater zoom. compactness etc
2. DSLR + 18-55 / 15-85 / 18-200 / many lens etc - mostly likely will opt for S90 for compactness and easy carrying
So the qn remains, when do we need an LX3 then? Any thoughts to share? :think:
mybearbrick
New Member
ermmmm...
when you want to have more powerful flash (external flash)? to diffuse or bounce :dunno:
and when you want to use CPL and ND+8 filters? :think:
is there any reason to own both???
Michael Reichmann of Luminous Landscape just has a review out for the S90: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/s90.shtml
Having tried out a friend's LX3 and then hands-on with S90 over the past weekend, its quirks aside, the S90 for sure wins out with its size and pocketability. The LX3 is just a little too bulky to be considered truly pocketable. The lens base sticks out too much, and then there's that lens cap on a cord thingy. Quite a chore to put it on and off each time u want to take a shot.
Most photographers (with DSLRs + whatever lenses) would prefer the S90 form factor over LX3 - simply because its so easy to slip into one of their pants pockets or pouches etc. and just whip out and point and shoot. No fiddling with lens cap or whatever. I think LX3 is more for those serious/amateur photogs who do not wish to step into DSLR nor micro 4/3 territory and just want a small sized camera as their only camera to bring around which offers more advanced modes like full manual control, RAW, option to mount ext. flash, filters etc. The S90 also sits somewhat in this arena but Canon cleverly designed it as rather being closer to a compact camera in appearance than LX3, which is slightly more intimidating form factor with more dials and buttons. I think they aim at two segments - most casual shooter who wanted more controls yet in compact package and DSLR-toting advanced amateurs who want good performance in small package.
Ok, just to illustrate my point abt S90's size, take a look at this pic: ;p http://www.randomprocess.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/s90/s90_dx35.jpg
IQ-wise I think both are very close, especially if you downsize your pics. From the sample pics at the review at LL above, at higher ISOs the S90 edges out the LX3. As Shen Shiung mentioned in previous post, I think the choice of which cam would largely depends what your main subject matter is.....whether you are a low light enthusiast (e.g indoor, night, streets) or a wide angle (landscape) freak (presumably in good outdoor light). S90 for the former, LX3 for the latter.
My personal views:
Having tried out a friend's LX3 and then hands-on with S90 over the past weekend, its quirks aside, the S90 for sure wins out with its size and pocketability. The LX3 is just a little too bulky to be considered truly pocketable. The lens base sticks out too much, and then there's that lens cap on a cord thingy. Quite a chore to put it on and off each time u want to take a shot.
Most photographers (with DSLRs + whatever lenses) would prefer the S90 form factor over LX3 - simply because its so easy to slip into one of their pants pockets or pouches etc. and just whip out and point and shoot. No fiddling with lens cap or whatever. I think LX3 is more for those serious/amateur photogs who do not wish to step into DSLR nor micro 4/3 territory and just want a small sized camera as their only camera to bring around which offers more advanced modes like full manual control, RAW, option to mount ext. flash, filters etc. The S90 also sits somewhat in this arena but Canon cleverly designed it as rather being closer to a compact camera in appearance than LX3, which is slightly more intimidating form factor with more dials and buttons. I think they aim at two segments - most casual shooter who wanted more controls yet in compact package and DSLR-toting advanced amateurs who want good performance in small package.
Ok, just to illustrate my point abt S90's size, take a look at this pic: ;p http://www.randomprocess.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/s90/s90_dx35.jpg
IQ-wise I think both are very close, especially if you downsize your pics. From the sample pics at the review at LL above, at higher ISOs the S90 edges out the LX3. As Shen Shiung mentioned in previous post, I think the choice of which cam would largely depends what your main subject matter is.....whether you are a low light enthusiast (e.g indoor, night, streets) or a wide angle (landscape) freak (presumably in good outdoor light). S90 for the former, LX3 for the latter.