Originally posted by franciskc
not to 4get me too.
Just joking lar, but i still prefer to shoot alone or closer frens as i noe em better and can crack better /dirty jokes together.
Originally posted by togu
Look for togu, he's always there.
TME said:Why segregate? We are a free society with everyone as equals.
xiaowugui82 said::lovegrin: Ha ha talking about randy cats... but i heard tat u better not disturb them or else next time will have bao ying and have problem with your s*x life. haha. tat's wat i have heard.
actually i would love to join these outings. however think the main problem (for mi) is my kit. haha i'm still a student and i onli can afford a Pana fz5.(now everyday eat grass :cry: haha but i am proud of my camera :embrass: ) haha doesn't even have a hotshoe and manual focus. i would love to get a DSLR but for now even my pocket money is jus enuff. so if i join u guys for SEED, (seed is the time u guys purchase stuff is it?) or go out for some shooting say ndp fireworks, i'm more concern about being out casted unintensionally or well like my equipment can't perform up to standard. for example, if i join the ndp gathering which is located up shears bridge, i will have problem taking pictures there, cos firstly, my camera dun have the remote shutter release,(trying to figure out how to make one), and i dun have a wide angle lense and stuff.... haha if there is outing for like non DSLR or got more ppl who goes using non DSLR, then our limitations and restrictions due to our kit is better understood and considered. nontheless, i would like to give the outings a try (before anyhow making judgements) before my next semester starts. Having a all non DSLR outing would also be wonderful :lovegrin:
Welcome, there's a ladies subforum hidden, you might want to PM the admins so that you can get access to the forum, but you'll need to prove you're a real female somehow before they give you access.kaywalk said:My two cents' worth.
I'm completely new to photography, and I've joined ClubSNAP for about a month only. You can see from the number of posts how green I am to this forum. I'm female (since that perspective is relevant for discussion ) and I just joined my first gathering with CSers yesterday, to Pulau Ubin, organised by King Tiger.
I haven't been reading, but yes, it's uncalled for, over here, it's much better than SammyBoy and HWZ already, just some inconsiderate folks that's all.kaywalk said:Let me write the blunt stuff first. I was reading a thread about a model shoot and somebody posted to ask the photographer if he took the picture "the day before her that one", a reference, I believe, to the poster's perception of a tummy on the model. I'm new to photography forums, and I hardly read Internet forums in general, so I was a bit shocked to see this kind of remark posted where all can read. I know this is the kind of thing guys say to one another, but within "earshot" of females, it seems a bit insensitive.
Avatars don't have to necessarily reflect us as ourselves, avatars are just like a image link reference, most would know who's replying based on the avatar they see next to the post. Not necessarily representing us that we like to cross dress or we want to become female.kaywalk said:There are quite a few avatars of babes on this forum. I'm not sure of the gender of the avatar owners. My initial thoughts were, if you're a guy, why would you have an avatar of a babe as visual representation of your identity? I don't know if this contributes to the idea that CS guys really LIKE pictures of babes, and will look and critique girls, just like they critique photographs.
What's wrong with comments? Absorb what you want and throw what you don't want away.kaywalk said:Now, words in fairness. Photographers are, almost by definition, interested in visual beauty, one form or another. Commenting on the beauty of a photograph will often mean commenting on the subject of a photograph. If someone makes a comment about a model, this is real-world comment on a photograph, which is feedback for a working photographer. If I were a photographer of male models, I would want to know how an entire photo is perceived, including the subject.
Just FYI, I've shot 2 male models last week, who says there isn't any male model shoots and that we don't shoot males? I just happen to shoot less males as compared to ladies. Males kinda take more challenge in me that's about it.kaywalk said:People just haven't been organising male model shoots as frequently as female, so nobody has had to read comments about six-packs and butts, MAYBE! But guys, how would you feel if this forum was mostly female and you frequently read this kind of comments? Will this make you shy about going for gatherings?
Most lurk and don't comment, a general thing among most forum, only talkative people like me talk a lot, reply a lot and does nothing constructive (most of the time). Like I said, you need to learn when to take the comment and when to put somebody on ignore.kaywalk said:And then, also, if two hundred members don't have anything to say about a particular photo, but one person posts something about a model's looks, that post will seem like "the voice of the forum". You get what I mean?
That's the effort, just shoot, don't feel bad about what you use, it's the final image that counts, every image is a story. Nothing to be shy or not!!! KT and folks are nice people. Join them more.kaywalk said:Now, to talk about my experience at my first gathering. I knew none of the people beforehand. I signed up and went alone simply because I wanted to go. Out of 18 (?) people, I was one out of two girls. I really enjoyed myself and found the company very likeable, although I didn't get to talk to everyone (I'm shy too). I could really see the passion these people have for photography. Although I was one of the few carrying a prosumer camera, after my initial sheepishness, I didn't feel so bad.
I know what you mean, if I didn't allocate my sunday for family day, I would have joined King Tiger and folks out at P.U. shooting. It beats bantering & fighting about FF and or DSLRs in CS. Sheesh!kaywalk said:It was definitely more fun than going to Pulau Ubin on my own, and going with fellow photographers means you can spend time taking photographs without feeling apologetic to non-photographer friends who accompany you. In short, I had a great time!
There ARE ladies gathering, I believe the ladies subforum had already held one or two last year, if you feel intimidated, you may join them and go out with them. I don't see the need to segregate, but mostly gals feel that they want to be private in their outings, well that's them. I've had outings with ladies myself, even our regular Nikon User Group outings, we had 3 ladies joining us regularly - f**b***, s***x, c*m***, so who says they're shy and not comfortable around guys? Hehe.kaywalk said:I don't think the guys should be the ones commenting on whether there should be girls-only gatherings . After all, we're not talking about "need" or not, we're talking about comfort and interest level. If there are girls interested in organising such activities, let them take the lead, and see where it goes.
I didn't say.espn said:Just FYI, I've shot 2 male models last week, who says there isn't any male model shoots and that we don't shoot males?
I didn't say.espn said:I've had outings with ladies myself, even our regular Nikon User Group outings, we had 3 ladies joining us regularly - f**b***, s***x, c*m***, so who says they're shy and not comfortable around guys? Hehe.
I didn't stereotype.espn said:Don't stereotype so fast on the guys in CS. There are nice guys around like King Tiger and lots more!
Hey, I really appreciate your perspective, especially as a male owner of a babe avatar. It's cool. I've seen many more kinds of avatars since my introduction here, and I'm not thinking that we have CS members who are butterflies. :bsmilie:espn said:Sorry for my kay-pohism in replying
kaywalk said:Hey, I really appreciate your perspective, especially as a male owner of a babe avatar. It's cool. I've seen many more kinds of avatars since my introduction here, and I'm not thinking that we have CS members who are butterflies. :bsmilie:
I see where you're coming from, but the problem is not many would do that or overcome that ego portion, I joined with a CoolPix long ago, even when others have started DSLRs and etc, some looked down on me, some ignored me, some think I'm incompetent (well, they got this one right). I can understand where the small players stand and what they're feeling.kaywalk said:Come on, I didn't even pull along a chaperone to my first blind outing. If I already stereotyped, I wouldn't have gone, right?
Actually, my mentality was: In the worst case, if I find myself really unhappy there, I'm just writing off half a day, and I never need to go for another outing again. (And if someone posts public comments speculating when is my that one, I never need to visit this forum again. Hehe.) What happened was I really had fun making new friends and taking pictures...the best case scenario instead!
I hope anyone thinking of joining a gathering can adopt a just-do-it attitude, just for one day.
ERM... my avatar? Lucky shot. Hee. Supposed to change it but I accidentally deleted the shot I wanted to use from my CF cardkaywalk said:Hey, I really appreciate your perspective, especially as a male owner of a babe avatar. It's cool. I've seen many more kinds of avatars since my introduction here, and I'm not thinking that we have CS members who are butterflies. :bsmilie:
espn said:I see where you're coming from, but the problem is not many would do that or overcome that ego portion, I joined with a CoolPix long ago, even when others have started DSLRs and etc, some looked down on me, some ignored me, some think I'm incompetent (well, they got this one right). I can understand where the small players stand and what they're feeling.
Nowadays many have migrated to big equipment, small players generally will feel afraid, I always encourage them to join but it's just the fear factor, to me, big small or any camera would get what you want in the image. Sad to say, many here think otherwise, Sigh. Others shun away because of gender reasons blah blah blah. Glad you enjoyed the outing by KT, do join more, he's capable and will teach you many more things you never knew about shooting.
ERM... my avatar? Lucky shot. Hee.
ykia said:Hi Kaywalk,
Nice of you to join us last Sunday for the P Ubin outing. Too bad I could not go to the island itself, but I'm glad to have had the chat with you over breakfast.
Wow, it did not occur to me how much "2nd thinking" you had put into joining us, and I really hope that KT's outing was a turning point for you in perception changing .
ykia said:So, to me, there will always be undesirable comments made and there will always be great outings to meet up with the real (as oppose to on-line) personalities of those behind the Avatars, and the choice is within me to take the risk and discover it .
dawgbyte77 said:Actually being ignored got nothing to do with your equipment. The first few times I joined, everyone else knows each other and I feel like an outsider and was ignored... maybe not intentionally. Maybe its just the fact that I'm a stranger and conversations are limited to "what do you do" and "where do you stay" type... and seeing everyone knows each other, I felt hesitant to butt in for fear of being ignored (ironically I was already being ignored).