[ Discuss ] What is the attraction of Sony A7 compare to m43?

[seafood]

All the comparisons don't even make it past a DXoMark score of 13.

A Lumix 12-35/f2.8 on a GH2 body scored 17 and this same lens on an EM5 body scored 19.
http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compa...793/(lens3)/159/(brand3)/Nikkor/(camera3)/680

In other words the Oly 12-50 and Nikkor kit lens both s*cks. As for the Sony RX100 ....no hope coz body/sensor is fixed. With the Lumix 12-35/f2.8, a better body can potentially improve the score further.

I wouldn't say the 12-50 sucks. Lenses with that score are still excellent lenses unless you blow up to huge prints.

Here are some shots from Robin Wong with the 12-50. Certainly sharp enough....

http://robinwong.blogspot.sg/2013/10/dpreview-awards-e-m1-gold-and-some.html

By DXoMark standards ....... No other words to describe it. Even Robin admits it does ok only at the wide end. IMHO, the only saving grace for the Oly 12-50 is the pseudo macro function. And maybe the weather shielded feature. Of course it is better than the 14-42 ........

 

[seafood]

I love Sony. I mean their Trinitrons. And their Walkmans.

And I used to love the Minoltas. Their SRT303b. And XD7s. And ...... their Rokkors.

And the Yashica FRs/DX with the Zeiss T* lenses ....my dream! And beyond my childhood dreams ...the Contax RTS-es. Even the Contax G.

Today they live on in the Sony FE system (and I really don't mean the E mount/system!). The day the FE system comes up with a Zeiss T* 24-70/80 f2.8 that is half the size of the Nikkor 24-70/f2.8, I am into the Sony FE system.

Now the Nikon Df ...... another thread

As I see it, this Sony mirrorless FE system offers the potential of a 35FF system with lenses the size of the present APS-C systems. If this spells the demise of any systems, it'll be the APSC system. If true portability is the aim, then the m43 system is the answer. APSC would just be an incremental difference to the 43 sensor. To get a better "bang-for-your-buck" difference the natural progression would be to full 35mm FF sensor size. Or even medium format.

Because of the shorter flange-sensor distance of the mirrorless FE system, and improvement of EVFs, the potential for 35FF quality with optics half the size is a reality, e.g. downsizing of 43 to m43 lenses.

I always thought APSC systems were ....... neither here nor there.

Can someone explain why the Leica M is so HUGE even for a mirrorless?

 

[NazgulKing]

Can someone explain why the Leica M is so HUGE even for a mirrorless?

Because Leica sucks at miniaturisation, and secondly, the flange distance is greater than M43.

 

[ricohflex]

The reason is that the form, dimensions and look of the camera must attract potential buyers who are already Leica M (film days) owners.
So although they can technically reduce the size by a lot, they do not want to. They don't mess around with a winning formula.
The look and size of the new digital camera must trigger a subconscious signal inside the heads of existing Leica rangefinder owners, that makes them want to buy.
When they hold it and use it, it must not differ too much from a Leica M film camera. That includes the weight.

 

[ricleo]

wow look at the size of the 42.5 F1.2 on the lx7.... huge.....size advantage?

 

[Errz]

wow look at the size of the 42.5 F1.2 on the lx7.... huge.....size advantage?

think might be even bigger for FF

 

[ricleo]

think might be even bigger for FF

well... it looks bigger than the nokton 50mm F1.1 which covers full frame for starters. This is a 67mm filter thread lens vs the nokton which is 58mm filter thread

 

[Errz]

well... it looks bigger than the nokton 50mm F1.1 which covers full frame for starters. This is a 67mm filter thread lens vs the nokton which is 58mm filter thread

due to the AF bah.

 

[jackwolf]

due to the AF bah.

And the ois too maybe..

To me it look nice. But the price tag will be surely out of my reach..

 

[tsammyc]

A f1.2 lens will always be a little big. I think I'll stick with my Oly 45mm 1.8. It's good enough.

 

[seafood]

The reason is that the form, dimensions and look of the camera must attract potential buyers who are already Leica M (film days) owners.
So although they can technically reduce the size by a lot, they do not want to. They don't mess around with a winning formula.
The look and size of the new digital camera must trigger a subconscious signal inside the heads of existing Leica rangefinder owners, that makes them want to buy.
When they hold it and use it, it must not differ too much from a Leica M film camera. That includes the weight.

Maybe this is why I never felt the urge to buy the Leica M .......

 

[kei1309]

Sony doesnt. Sony is the wanna be in the FF arena. Their SLT tech just died, they created nex and less than 4 years canned it and renamed everything to Alpha. True they have A and E mount. They have A, E and FE lenses. So point to note. Sony doesnt have the installed base of Canikon. They will sooner or later kill something else and move on. Sony has a history of not sticking to their guns. They keep "innovating". But that is ok for consumer electronics not for a camera system. If you have the latest and greatest A mount zeiss lenses.. will you wonder what sony is trying to do with the new FE? If you have already invested in E mount Glass... suddenly whats the roadmap for your NEX or E lenses? True, they can be used on the A7. But the image will be cropped to 10mpx.

Correction:

A-mount has DT (APS-C) and FF lenses
E-mount has normal APS-C lenses and FE (FF E-Mount) lenses.

from what you're saying, it's as if there are 3 mounts. in actual fact, it's only 2 mounts. and the A7 and A7R have crop modes to allow the use of APS-C E-mount lenses

and last i heard, there are still people buying into the SLT cameras. it has not "just died". and the news is that they're still going to carry on with SLT.

and that's why i suggested that you do a little more reading up.

 

[ricohflex]

Nowadays, few things are made to last. Manufacturers want you to keep buying.
Otherwise how do they sustain their company profits and make their shareholders happy?

 

[seafood]

The more I check out the A7 FE system, the more unimpressed I am with it. There don't seem to be a decent "standard" zoom. No good portraiture lens. And where are the wide angles ...... Yupe, nice body ........

 

[Errz]

The more I check out the A7 FE system, the more unimpressed I am with it. There don't seem to be a decent "standard" zoom. No good portraiture lens. And where are the wide angles ...... Yupe, nice body ........

- One Zeiss fast prime lens in 2014
- One Zeiss f/4.0 wide angle zoom
- One G macro lens
- By end of 2015 a total of 15 lenses will be released (five announced lenses included).

(from http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/the-...p-15-lenses-will-be-launched-until-late-2015/)

 

[ricleo]

Yup. Apart from the new zeiss lenses there is also all the legacy manual lenses thst are small size and cover full frame.

 

[seafood]

- One Zeiss fast prime lens in 2014
- One Zeiss f/4.0 wide angle zoom
- One G macro lens
- By end of 2015 a total of 15 lenses will be released (five announced lenses included).

(from http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/the-...p-15-lenses-will-be-launched-until-late-2015/)

I definitely don't see any lens that I personally would salivate over ......

 

[keithwee]

I definitely don't see any lens that I personally would salivate over ......

Think this is a noob question but I'm still gonna ask it.

Seems that many users are preferring to use their non-Sony lenses on the A7. Of course this isn't weird but what's weird is the sheer amount of discussion about this. Why ah ?

First time I see a new body release and the bulk of discussions is about adapting non native lenses onto it.

 

[sje4182]

Think this is a noob question but I'm still gonna ask it.

Seems that many users are preferring to use their non-Sony lenses on the A7. Of course this isn't weird but what's weird is the sheer amount of discussion about this. Why ah ?

First time I see a new body release and the bulk of discussions is about adapting non native lenses onto it.

I guess its cos there will be only 2 native lens - 1 of which is a budget kit lens - at launch so ppl need to find other lens to put with this body.

 

[ayuready]

Think this is a noob question but I'm still gonna ask it.

Seems that many users are preferring to use their non-Sony lenses on the A7. Of course this isn't weird but what's weird is the sheer amount of discussion about this. Why ah ?

First time I see a new body release and the bulk of discussions is about adapting non native lenses onto it.

First "cheap" ff camera which can work with legacy lens in their unaltered FL bah.

I more interested in the native primes and zoom... Long waiting ahead