[ Discuss ] What is the attraction of Sony A7 compare to m43?


actually way b4 A7/R ... many already using NEX with non-sony lens. check out this thread and u will notice most of the photos taken are not using E mount.

but A7/R being full frame, like Leica camera but at cheaper price and with Focus Peaking, got even more ppl excitied .

Think this is a noob question but I'm still gonna ask it.

Seems that many users are preferring to use their non-Sony lenses on the A7. Of course this isn't weird but what's weird is the sheer amount of discussion about this. Why ah ?

First time I see a new body release and the bulk of discussions is about adapting non native lenses onto it.
 

thanks for the answers. ;)

I'm clearer now, especially the part with the unadulterated FL on the A7/A7r.

can imagine the sharing of photos and comments will be huge once the interested start getting their A7/A7r and shoot shoot shoot heh.
 

exciting, if u likes to manual focus. heh. those lens are so much smaller compare to the native one.

thanks for the answers. ;)

I'm clearer now, especially the part with the unadulterated FL on the A7/A7r.

can imagine the sharing of photos and comments will be huge once the interested start getting their A7/A7r and shoot shoot shoot heh.
 

exciting, if u likes to manual focus. heh. those lens are so much smaller compare to the native one.

somemore Sony implements the focus peaking very well.. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
best focus peaking IMO for all the mirrorless cameras..

still remember using the CV35mm on my Nex 7 and skipping most of the native lens..
the only native mount that i liked was the 50mm f1.8..
 

Think this is a noob question but I'm still gonna ask it.

Seems that many users are preferring to use their non-Sony lenses on the A7. Of course this isn't weird but what's weird is the sheer amount of discussion about this. Why ah ?

First time I see a new body release and the bulk of discussions is about adapting non native lenses onto it.
Human psychology. People are desperate to justify their purchases, even old lenses which have no AF and are limited in use.
 

Technically, starting with the NEX-C3, it was a combination of focus peaking and the Sony 16MP Exmor sensor. NEX was one of the first mirrorless ICL cameras, with a short flange focal distance. This allowed just about any lens with flange distance more than 18mm to be mounted on it with an adapter, even M-mount, which had a relatively short flange distance could be put on with a very thin adapter.

Focus peaking was introduced with the NEX-C3, which also had the latest Sony 16MP Exmor that was a revolution in sensor technology. The previous NEX 3 and 5 had a vastly inferior 12MP sensor not dissimilar to the Panasonic M43 sensors. Focus peaking allowed one to manual focus very quickly and accurately, certainly much faster than various focusing aids used on DSLRs historically like split prisms etc. With a revolutionary sensor, suddenly everyone was getting more beautiful shots out of their old lenses than they had ever seen on their old film cameras. Some of the best lenses in the world in M-mount made by Zeiss and Leica were available with a modern sensor that outperformed $10,000 cameras such as the M9 with inferior sensor technology from defunct Kodak. NEX became a success. It didn't matter whether Sony lenses were any good and hasn't since.

When I heard the description of focus peaking, I was intrigued and bought the C3. For the next year, I never touched the Sony zoom that was included, but was shooting with all my old Pentax glass on the C3 and very happy with the results. It was a very unobtrusive camera and so much lighter than the K5, which I didn't miss. Eventually I acquired Zeiss and Voigtlander lenses and the 5N, where you could attach an EVF.

The A7r is a continuation of this trend. I've been expecting this camera for years and have sold of most of my old Pentax lenses except for the full frame lenses. I've also been buying full frame A-mount lenses to use with the NEX, expecting them to be used on a full frame NEX. Although Sony has dropped the NEX brand, the full frame E-mount camera has finally arrived. I've been waiting for this for 2 years.
 

somemore Sony implements the focus peaking very well.. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
best focus peaking IMO for all the mirrorless cameras..

still remember using the CV35mm on my Nex 7 and skipping most of the native lens..
the only native mount that i liked was the 50mm f1.8..

I like the 24mm Zeiss and the 55-210 because its so light and reasonably sharp
 

actually the very first cameras to start this trend was the m4/3s EP1 and GF1! Oly and pana came along and people got all excited and bought adaptors to use the leica, zeiss, CV and all sorts of manual lenses at a time with no focus peaking, no EVF.

I was one of them haha... but gave it up as the 2X crop factor didn't do justice to the full frame lenses. Next came along the sony nex, the ricoh m module, samsung, fuji, etc. All these were budget bodies to use good manual lenses instead of buying a M8, M9, latest whatever M.

now I think the technology has matured. Full frame, excellent built in EVF, good focus peaking, and lowest price for a new full frame body (A7)

so to me, most ppl who started on m4/3 to adapt manual lenses, will naturally be attracted to the A7, a camera i lovingly name as the uglier brother of the OMD.
 

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I definitely don't see any lens that I personally would salivate over ......

I only see one - 35 2.8 that I would get. 55 1.8 is a nice portrait lens but I know I will never use it sufficiently.
 

The response in great in Korea
http://youtu.be/rLaTEyuG414

Heeheehee... Apple has taught them well.

Now hopefully Sony marketing can teach Olympus something... then again... a marketing guy and an engineer discussing marketing? It's like showing my wife my excitement at a Jaguar showroom...
 

I only see one - 35 2.8 that I would get. 55 1.8 is a nice portrait lens but I know I will never use it sufficiently.

Shot wif A7 on FE 55/1.8, corrected exposure in LR.



 

Only attraction is the Image Quality. There is no doubt that the Sony FF can produce way cleaner images and a lot of detail. Only a few things tho.....a lot of the images I shot on the A7 suffered from motion blur even at 1/60 sec for a 35 mm lens. I wonder if Im just crap now, having been spoilt by Olympus IS or the shutter slap on the A7 is causing too much vibration. No way to test that because I could not figure out how to do shutter lock on the A7 and the Sony marketing people there were not as knowledgeable as the equivalent guys from Olympus. Sony has got money (u dun get this kind of nice event from Olympus) --- but the people marketing it are just not as good in terms of knowledge and interest compared to Olympus events. That's my take. Perhaps, they dun need to...camera selling itself. Hahaha.

To continue, lens range is pretty limited and performance is quite limited. Unless you are into MF and legacy lenses, the current range is not for a single system person to go into. So do not jump ship, but you can get this as an accessory system. I am only looking at the 35 mm to use for the sony A7. Still cannot get rid of 4/3 because macro, zoom, etc cannot be fulfilled right now by Sony. To me, the A7 is a play play system....not a must have...just a good to have.
 

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Only attraction is the Image Quality. There is no doubt that the Sony FF can produce way cleaner images and a lot of detail. Only a few things tho.....a lot of the images I shot on the A7 suffered from motion blur even at 1/60 sec for a 35 mm lens. I wonder if Im just crap now, having been spoilt by Olympus IS or the shutter slap on the A7 is causing too much vibration. No way to test that because I could not figure out how to do shutter lock on the A7 and the Sony marketing people there were not as knowledgeable as the equivalent guys from Olympus. Sony has got money (u dun get this kind of nice event from Olympus) --- but the people marketing it are just not as good in terms of knowledge and interest compared to Olympus events. That's my take. Perhaps, they dun need to...camera selling itself. Hahaha.

Ya. Haha. They dun even know how to set minimum shutter speed on auto iso
 

I'm staying on this ship here ;)

Pretty limited range of lenses insufficient to interest me. The many many image samples shared around doesn't amaze me either.

While a FF Mirrorless does sound like the holy grail, I'm more interested in how the whole system looks & performs like than just the body specs alone.

Will just be paying close attention to all the expert seniors on the A7 once they receive their sets.

And yes, this camera is more that capable in selling itself.
 

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I'm staying on this ship here ;)

Pretty limited range of lenses insufficient to interest me. The many many image samples shared around doesn't amaze me either.

While a FF Mirrorless does sound like the holy grail, I'm more interested in how the whole system looks & performs like than just the body specs alone.

Will just be paying close attention to all the expert seniors on the A7 once they receive their sets.

And yes, this camera is more that capable in selling itself.

Yeah, same here. Will re-consider when the 24-70 is out.
 

Yeah, same here. Will re-consider when the 24-70 is out.

So far what I see is almost everyone throwing all the other lenses they've at the A7 / A7r. What I find intriguing is that I've seen some users blame Sony when these lenses don't work as well =.= ...

Hmm , if Sony was banking to earn from charging the premium on their lenses , I really hope it was the right choice but they seem to be really preparing a very good lens collection.

but yeah , wait for them to start realizing the lens map then it will be more logical to consider - and I'm a bit hesitant about the sizes of these lenses.
 

Shall wait for Sonyuiko Lenses to be ready before considering.
 

So far what I see is almost everyone throwing all the other lenses they've at the A7 / A7r. What I find intriguing is that I've seen some users blame Sony when these lenses don't work as well =.= ...

Hmm , if Sony was banking to earn from charging the premium on their lenses , I really hope it was the right choice but they seem to be really preparing a very good lens collection.

but yeah , wait for them to start realizing the lens map then it will be more logical to consider - and I'm a bit hesitant about the sizes of these lenses.

I think I shall start and end this system with:

35mm for pocketabilty
55mm for lowlight / portrait
24-70mm for video and holiday

Bam. The first few lens released already gotten me hooked. One more uwa to complet it. Hahhah

So Sony gotten it right for buyer like me... Take my money !
 

I think I shall start and end this system with:

35mm for pocketabilty
55mm for lowlight / portrait
24-70mm for video and holiday

Bam. The first few lens released already gotten me hooked. One more uwa to complet it. Hahhah

So Sony gotten it right for buyer like me... Take my money !

U got it all planned out bro. BBB. I do get tempted by the 55/1.8 after test it. Sharp enuff and relatively sweet Bokeh (I find it quite similar to Leica Summilux 50/1.4 ASPH's Bokeh rendering). Still, I will test out my current Contax Zeiss CY 50/1.7 before deciding to get it. If the only advantage is AF, then I will probably wait for the next series of FE Zeiss 50mm (hopefully a f/1.4 or even better f/1.2) provided it is not too huge to use. The 35mm f/2.8 FE doesnt work for me since RX1/R's Zeiss is 35/2. Felt shortchanged to get this lens for almost 1K. Rather wait for d f/2 or f/1.4 versions.
 

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