madmacs said:thats how successful marketing works actually
true, so sad......
hmmm, wonder what the response would be like if an ah-seng brand came out with a similar designed product & the same marketing strategy (read 'excuse')??? :bsmilie:
madmacs said:thats how successful marketing works actually
zorro18 said:agree, agree......
the ipod is kool but the shuffle?
It's just marketing hype to psycho gullible pple out there why the shuffle doesnt need lcd screen, fm tuner etc....
the truth is that if they were to include all these features then it makes them no different from the OEM/China-made flash players.
This is the ultimate marketing con! :bsmilie:
chngpe01 said:The biggest con would be that ppl get con even without even realising it.
If you look at the Zen and the ipod mini for eg. You will see clearly the material that make the Zen micro consist of cheapo plastics whereas the ipod mini casing is made out of a single piece of colored aluminum which undergo a few milling process etc. It is the engineering and thoughts and design that goes into the product. Fact: the ipod mini cost very much more to produce than a zen micro. Facts Zen Micro cost more than ipod mini. So who is being conned? :devil: I for one would not want to be conned into paying more for a cheapo product.
Kho King said:anyone watch the TV news last night? there is a short interview with Creative spokeman (or CEO?) on their respond and view to the new Ipod shuffle.
when asked about what he (the spokeman) thinks of the new ipod shuffle to fight with Creative product market, he said:"the ipod flash (should be shuffle) was a complete joke, they are producing what we (Creative) already have in our 1st generation product, which is 4 years ago, what a joke...".
I personally feel that that guy is just too ego and louzy... :thumbsd:
zorro18 said:am neither creative nor apple camp but i do agree that the zen micro looks cheap. I own an ipod mini btw....
in fact the simplicity of the ipod-mini design looks more zen-like than creative's.
i was really to switch camp b4 the zen-micro was released but when I held it, the feeling was like urghhhhhhhh.....somehow the colors r so damn beng....
the designers hv taken mr sim for a ride (they could be apple's spies out to sabo ah sim ). they shld be fired.
As for the ipod-shuffle, it was really a disappointment IMHO.
I wld expect stevie to hv something up his sleeves but this time was an anti-climax.
yes, the mac-mini is really cool...drool, drool, drool
madmacs said:thats how successful marketing works actually
You forgot to mention that zen have one more gig than the mini, fm tuner, line in recording etc, that's why it cost more.....chngpe01 said:The biggest con would be that ppl get con even without even realising it.
If you look at the Zen and the ipod mini for eg. You will see clearly the material that make the Zen micro consist of cheapo plastics whereas the ipod mini casing is made out of a single piece of colored aluminum which undergo a few milling process etc. It is the engineering and thoughts and design that goes into the product. Fact: the ipod mini cost very much more to produce than a zen micro. Facts Zen Micro is priced more than ipod mini. So who is being conned? :devil: I for one would not want to be conned into paying more for a cheapo product.
Pro Image said:agree with you madmacs. whether it's iPod Shuffle or not.....APPLE/MACs rules! Own a Mac, always a Mac fan. Well look at this way, if this was another brand by Sony, Toshiba or XXX brands....I don't thing someone whould have notice about it.
We talk about it because it's a MAC! Haha... :bsmilie:
Hommie said:You forgot to mention that zen have one more gig than the mini, fm tuner, line in recording etc, that's why it cost more.....
madmacs said:hey back from your trip already?
actually everyone keeps pitting apple against creative, but i dont really see creative as a real competitor at the moment - at least not till sim puts his creative thinking hat back on ;p the one i am more wary of is sony. if you look at the vaio range and the upcoming music/media players, they put a lot of thought of into their design. lets see what the future hold
davsmiths said:Creative Muvo TX FM 256mb at $179 vs Apple iPod Shuffle 512mb $178
Which 1 will u choose?
chngpe01 said:Agree, you are right on the dot.
The President of Sony was invited by Steve to SF Macworld Expo for a good reason.
'Kunitake Ando, president of electronics giant Sony, joined Jobs onstage to promote the HD push, including a new Sony HD camcorder. "Steve said he is a great fan of Sony products--not all of them," said Ando, whose company competes with Apple in markets such as PCs and portable music players. "Together, we can really revolutionize the way we enjoy video at home." ' - extracted from cnet News.com dated 11 Jan 2005.
ahbeng said:remember many people bought the muvo and disassemble the microdrive to use it. :bsmilie:
Kho King said:that's the reason why creative sale so high, not because of the muvo itself, but the microdrive behind...and yet Mr. Sim so proud and ego... :bsmilie:
Neo said:If I were Mr.Sim, I think I'd say that I welcome another challenge from Apple. After all, it's lonely to be at the top right? :bsmilie:
I felt that calling the competitor's new product a joke is just poor PR. First, you risk sounding egoistic and ignorant (alienating your supporters), and second you risk offending Apple supporters (the very people he wanted to win over). And of course, saying that Apple's copying a product he had 4 years ago is dangerous... especially if the Shuffle becomes an overwhelming success and it becomes a slap to his own face.
I've much admiration for Mr.Sim and his ability to build up Creative to what it is today. But to pretend that Apple is a challenger he can overcome overnight sounds ridiculous to observers. I agree that he should focus more on designs and marketing - afterall, not everyone can discern the differences in sound reproduction (especially for poorly ripped MP3 files), but everyone can see good design. Continue working on his great projects, but please let good designers and marketing teams handle the rest! I don't know what's going on in Creative right now, but I do suspect Mr. Sim has his hands in everything and talented individuals may be afraid to oppose his ideas. So if Mr.Sim is reading this, please... let the talented people in marketing and design do their jobs...
therat said:Creative Muvo TX FM come with FM radio , recorder and MP3
Apple iPod Shuffle only MP3..
how to compare..