Competitive

[sundazz]

Maybe form a union or association for the media pros. Where a set of guidelines are published to inform the public and the pros of appropriate charges and rates. So far the olf pros have an unspoken guildlines but the newbies have not respected this and have crashed the whole market.

Anyway, maybe if a few big production houses can start the ball rolling so that the smaller ones could join.

well i think is not ez either.. :nono:
think consumer should responsible for themselves to choose the right party to do the job.. if they want quality job, they pay for it, if they wan budget, they get cheapo products..

As a pro.. we may oso hv to know our own value.. I usually dont accept job which below my value.. unless doing for goood frens or relative then bo bian

And sometimes if the client is too fussy, act like BIG F ;( k.. even they have budget.. i will try not to take up the job too!!

well, After all it is a free market.. client choose us, we choose client too!!

 

[MovinPixel]

Videography is definitely more challenging and more work involved.

From shooting style and coverage to steep learning curve of NLE and effects.
Unfortunately, videography IMHO is the least appreciated. But to those with passion, this
is what keeps the fire going when the going gets tough, technically or socially with customers.

I agree with Sundazz sentiments mostly.

 

[sundazz]

I pick up video via the video manual... hahahaha... just buy the camera because I like it.... and slowly learn...
Nowadays even primary school got video learning....

i pick up the skills when i was in the A!R F@rce.. learn thru hard ways by producing training videos for diff dept.. tho went thru a crash cos in film unit., but i enjoyed thru out..

 

[sundazz]

Videography is definitely more challenging and more work involved.

From shooting style and coverage to steep learning curve of NLE and effects.
Unfortunately, videography IMHO is the least appreciated. But to those with passion, this
is what keeps the fire going when the going gets tough, technically or socially with customers.

I agree with Sundazz sentiments mostly.

well, least appreciated in the wedding arena, but maybe much more appreciated in other applications like training, corporate, commercial, entertainment, etc.

however, the gov is pushing hard in this industry esp in communications, entertainment n wirless. infact, i do see and foresee alittle pickup in the industry esp in the video streaming area where tv go mobile on handphones, palm, laptop etc. watching movies on internet, etc.. this will be the future direction. therefore i think we will see alittle increase in productions.
but my concern is the supplied of such skills is more then the demand on such job
:dunno:

 

[sundazz]

I think the wedding-videographer scene in Singapore has much more room to grow and mature.
I've been researching and observing the industy overseas. Take for example US. Their average rates for a wedding coverage is USD 1.5k - Based on several wedding videographer websites.
I am sure there are people in that country are willing to compete by charging lower than average price.. This spells competition.
Is there a real big competition within the videography industry in Singapore?

We are one of the most well-off people in the world and our market rates starts from USD 300-1.3
All I'm saying is, we should not settle for too little

Another thing I noticed is that normally (correct me if im wrong) the post production and the presentation part always turns out very raw/crude.
Its like after a long day of shooting, "lets edit this thing quick and get my pay"

Pardon my ignorence but maybe I havent seen many local wedding videograhpy as of now

In a hospital right now waiting for my appointment haha
cheers

oh.. are u ok.. why in hospital??
anyway.. the market here is rather messy.. people charging from barely $500 or even lesser to $1.5K includes editing, some even include express editing..
but of cos quality varies too.

for me i wont accept jobs tat way below my rates as personally think not worth the time doing it. we must calculate the time required to spent on shoot, editing, packaging, etc.. must be enough to cover our daily income.. i am oso not so sure how come some people can do it way below cost as wat Jangoh mentioned.. maybe they have min editing as wat u say looks rather raw? or maybe they are doing it jus for extra cash and for fun??

well, i hope here in Singapore will have a better recognation for wedding video.. maybe u are rite tat it is increasing in popularity.. think.. maybe we as the people in the industry shd also help to push the industry.. but not so sure how.. anyone??

 

[JRC]

oh.. are u ok.. why in hospital??
anyway.. the market here is rather messy.. people charging from barely $500 or even lesser to $1.5K includes editing, some even include express editing..
but of cos quality varies too.

for me i wont accept jobs tat way below my rates as personally think not worth the time doing it. we must calculate the time required to spent on shoot, editing, packaging, etc.. must be enough to cover our daily income.. i am oso not so sure how come some people can do it way below cost as wat Jangoh mentioned.. maybe they have min editing as wat u say looks rather raw? or maybe they are doing it jus for extra cash and for fun??

well, i hope here in Singapore will have a better recognation for wedding video.. maybe u are rite tat it is increasing in popularity.. think.. maybe we as the people in the industry shd also help to push the industry.. but not so sure how.. anyone??

We normally say the price will depend on what's the demand and supply.
For wedding videography, etc, the price is most likely dependent on what is the monthly salary that you're satisfied with. Let's say if you're young poly graduate and able to do wedding videography with editing. You probably can do about 5 quality jobs comfortably per month. You're happy with $2500 monthly salary (which is good money for a young poly grad). So you can attain your salary minus cost if you charge about $700 per wedding.

If you want $5000 monthly salary, then you got to charge $1500 per wedding.
What is the salary we deserve ? If a young lad can do our job as well as we do, do we deserve a high salary even though we think we do ? Sigh ....

 

[Faiz]

welcome to the real world , ain't ez to get business nowadays , the markets flooded wif ppl claiming to use HD and charge $500 that is a bit too much lah , if ur new to the video market u should give free things e.g design cover or anything but never2 bring your price down your affecting others livelyhood

 

[sundazz]

welcome to the real world , ain't ez to get business nowadays , the markets flooded wif ppl claiming to use HD and charge $500 that is a bit too much lah , if ur new to the video market u should give free things e.g design cover or anything but never2 bring your price down your affecting others livelyhood

totally agree w u!

 

[sundazz]

We normally say the price will depend on what's the demand and supply.
For wedding videography, etc, the price is most likely dependent on what is the monthly salary that you're satisfied with. Let's say if you're young poly graduate and able to do wedding videography with editing. You probably can do about 5 quality jobs comfortably per month. You're happy with $2500 monthly salary (which is good money for a young poly grad). So you can attain your salary minus cost if you charge about $700 per wedding.

If you want $5000 monthly salary, then you got to charge $1500 per wedding.
What is the salary we deserve ? If a young lad can do our job as well as we do, do we deserve a high salary even though we think we do ? Sigh ....

most newly poly grad do not have a family to feed.. we do have..
personally i dont demand monthly $5K income for wedding job.. maybe $3.5k to $4k and i am happy.. ;p ..

but i think to position ourselves is important too.. if u started off charging too low.. when time comes u will have difficulty to ask for higher pay cheque... i have no commends on those charging high rates as i believe they can produce high quality videos and they deserve for the higher pay cheque...

so to the consumers out there.. do consider the quality and the ability to perform when u hiring any wedding videographer.. try to request to see thier reel b4 engaging them and make sure is wat u like.. (jus my tot!)

 

[Dino C.]

My 5 cents worth:

Even if it ain't a Teo Chew Wedding, a typical Actual Day with afternoon highlight editing, is about 18 hours for me. I counting when i leave the house till i get back from dinner. Then there is the editing to compile the full-edited version of the video and artwork for printing the disc and casing.

On my clients Actual Day, I always know that I worked the hardest and have probably have the most responisbility.

To all wedding couples looking for your videographer, they deserve every cent they are charging.

 

[Hobbes00]

welcome to the real world , ain't ez to get business nowadays , the markets flooded wif ppl claiming to use HD and charge $500 that is a bit too much lah , if ur new to the video market u should give free things e.g design cover or anything but never2 bring your price down your affecting others livelyhood

Ok am I guilty of this? I just want more experience, but I do not want to do it free - cover my expense and maybe give me an angbao of $150 will do.
Of cos I honestly believe that I will one day charge people 1k for a wedding..

But anyways, I guess there are different concepts out there, some people rather earn less from one wedding and do MORE while others are very partiuclar with their rates as gurantee better service...

 

[MovinPixel]

As the saying goes, " pay peanuts get monkeys". $500 HD quality!!! I would really like to see the demo! I believe everyone here who knows going into HD involves alot of investment cost. $500 is really incredible!

There are peanuts payer with peanuts attitude too, wondering how you guys handle them. There are also potential clients who insist on not placing a deposit to book
their dates. In the end, they may not even pay for your services!!

Would like to hear your comments if you have some experience to share.

 

[MovinPixel]

Just my 2 cents.

Do yourself a favour and charge what you think you and your work are worth.
I am sure your gear, time and skills are worth more than mere $150??!!

Ok am I guilty of this? I just want more experience, but I do not want to do it free - cover my expense and maybe give me an angbao of $150 will do.
Of cos I honestly believe that I will one day charge people 1k for a wedding..

But anyways, I guess there are different concepts out there, some people rather earn less from one wedding and do MORE while others are very partiuclar with their rates as gurantee better service...

 

[MovinPixel]

I agree with your your observation. There is some education needed in the Singapore
vg arena. As in this thread, messy is the word.

Perhaps some sort of general guidelines are seriously missing and causing the
vg market to be rather messy.

I think the wedding-videographer scene in Singapore has much more room to grow and mature.
I've been researching and observing the industy overseas. Take for example US. Their average rates for a wedding coverage is USD 1.5k - Based on several wedding videographer websites.
I am sure there are people in that country are willing to compete by charging lower than average price.. This spells competition.
Is there a real big competition within the videography industry in Singapore?

We are one of the most well-off people in the world and our market rates starts from USD 300-1.3
All I'm saying is, we should not settle for too little

Another thing I noticed is that normally (correct me if im wrong) the post production and the presentation part always turns out very raw/crude.
Its like after a long day of shooting, "lets edit this thing quick and get my pay"

Pardon my ignorence but maybe I havent seen many local wedding videograhpy as of now

In a hospital right now waiting for my appointment haha
cheers

 

[Faiz]

Haha maybe shld start an association Like American society of Cinematographers (ASC) than everyone intrest will be protected!

 

[MovinPixel]

Too small a size to start with don't you think? Perhaps a community
would be more realistic for a start.

 

[sundazz]

Ok am I guilty of this? I just want more experience, but I do not want to do it free - cover my expense and maybe give me an angbao of $150 will do.
Of cos I honestly believe that I will one day charge people 1k for a wedding..

But anyways, I guess there are different concepts out there, some people rather earn less from one wedding and do MORE while others are very partiuclar with their rates as gurantee better service...

there is no really rite or wrong.. but i think shd charge reasonably.. think u are experience enough.. don let some consumer taking advantage on your expertise and professionalism just becos u are young.
hopes u wont be regret when u look back and see how much time and cost and equip tat u have invested... whether if it is worth or not..

knows your value..

remember.. u are a professional too.. not a kucheng kurah cameraman who b'cos own a so call professional camera and call himself a professional cameraman.

my tot

 

[sundazz]

Too small a size to start with don't you think? Perhaps a community
would be more realistic for a start.

hi MovinPixel,

tat sounds interesting... tho i ever mentined b4 it is not ez to form a union to protect ourselve.. but think if starting with a community sounds visible. wat and how do u think tat this can be done?

 

[Faiz]

Intresting i'm in 4 that idea!

 

[Faiz]

Ok am I guilty of this? I just want more experience, but I do not want to do it free - cover my expense and maybe give me an angbao of $150 will do.
Of cos I honestly believe that I will one day charge people 1k for a wedding..

But anyways, I guess there are different concepts out there, some people rather earn less from one wedding and do MORE while others are very partiuclar with their rates as gurantee better service...

Bro i started off @ 800 thats minimum 4 malay wedding but i made sure i sell myself well and put the pressure on myself to live up to that price tag ! Deliver what u promise dun undercharge yourself ! ain't worth all the hassle of endless nite working like mad shooting like a siao lang , rushing to edit it !