Competitive

[JRC]

So we're talking about guidelines, how about getting a feel of what is the rate you would charge :

1. Wedding Full day (10hrs).
- To use at least semi-pro 3CCD camcorders (not GS400 type)
- Edited raw main video (Put a title, add music, delete away unusable scenes, make the video flow)
- A 5 minutes long MTV-like clip
- Deliver in DVD with motion Menu, DVD label and DVd cover design (2 copies)
- optional Express highlights

2. An event (3-5hrs)
- To use at least semi-pro 3CCD camcorders (not GS400 type)
- Edited raw main video (Put a title, add music, delete away unusable scenes, make the video flow)
- Deliver in DVD as main track with DVD label and DVd cover design (1 copy)

What I charge for :
1. 800-$850, Express highlights add $200.
2. $600-700

What about you ? And did I spoil market ?

 

[sundazz]

So we're talking about guidelines, how about getting a feel of what is the rate you would charge :

1. Wedding Full day (10hrs).
- To use at least semi-pro 3CCD camcorders (not GS400 type)
- Edited raw main video (Put a title, add music, delete away unusable scenes, make the video flow)
- A 5 minutes long MTV-like clip
- Deliver in DVD with motion Menu, DVD label and DVd cover design (2 copies)
- optional Express highlights

2. An event (3-5hrs)
- To use at least semi-pro 3CCD camcorders (not GS400 type)
- Edited raw main video (Put a title, add music, delete away unusable scenes, make the video flow)
- Deliver in DVD as main track with DVD label and DVd cover design (1 copy)

What I charge for :
1. 800-$850, Express highlights add $200.
2. $600-700

What about you ? And did I spoil market ?

hey JRC,
my rates are almost same as u..but except additional 150-200 for 5min summary and 250-300 for expess editing..

 

[MovinPixel]

hi MovinPixel,

tat sounds interesting... tho i ever mentined b4 it is not ez to form a union to protect ourselve.. but think if starting with a community sounds visible. wat and how do u think tat this can be done?

Hi Guys,

We could start off here. Yes! You, me those in active in this thread.
Slowly we talk about issues and how to solve or standardise them.
I know it may seem far fetch, but hey its a start! :bsmilie:

 

[MovinPixel]

Perhaps not for a fresh start right now. Maybe we can start with the problems we face in this "business" circle. Yes package price is one concern which we can discuss but not in the manner by comparing what gear you use.

When a client shows up. They want to see your work, how good it is and is that what they really want and not about the gear you use.
Though this question may pop, but hey are they buying your video equipment?

Your opinions may vary but welcomed!

Just my 2cents!

 

[JRC]

Perhaps not for a fresh start right now. Maybe we can start with the problems we face in this "business" circle. Yes package price is one concern which we can discuss but not in the manner by comparing what gear you use.

When a client shows up. They want to see your work, how good it is and is that what they really want and not about the gear you use.
Though this question may pop, but hey are they buying your video equipment?

Your opinions may vary but welcomed!

Just my 2cents!

I disagree equipment is not important.
Yes, it is not the most important but it is important.
No matter how good you are, if you use a normal 1CCD videocam, the images cannot be compared with a 3CCD one. But it should not affect the price too much because renting one DVX or PD170 is only $100/day.
So if someone is serious about it and want to produce the best, then have to use the right gear (at the right cost factor).

 

[sundazz]

I disagree equipment is not important.
Yes, it is not the most important but it is important.
No matter how good you are, if you use a normal 1CCD videocam, the images cannot be compared with a 3CCD one. But it should not affect the price too much because renting one DVX or PD170 is only $100/day.
So if someone is serious about it and want to produce the best, then have to use the right gear (at the right cost factor).

i agree with you on this.. a good camera will have a better control, better picture quality and better handling interms of stability.. and renting is not so expensive if u wan to deliver a presentable quality video.. quality consist of picture quality and productions quality.

wat gear to use is also a form of packaging.. remember abt 10 years back i was asked to do a project for ER@.. the big boss requested to see my camera B4 engaging my services.. he oni convince aft seeing my SHVS full size camcorder (they no budget for beta:think: )

so, if u need.. rent first.. go cinegear.. :thumbsup:

 

[MovinPixel]

But of course, 3ccd is better than 1ccd. No doubt. I didn't say it is not important.

Different people differen't questions.

 

[sundazz]

But of course, 3ccd is better than 1ccd. No doubt. I didn't say it is not important.

Different people differen't questions.

therefore.. a good camera + a good showreel will convince your client ;p

 

[JRC]

therefore.. a good camera + a good showreel will convince your client ;p

The price also comes into consideration. That's why it's so hard to compare between different service providers.

It is also difficult to judge how good are yourself in the market. How many of other people's work have we seen ? How do you know that your work is among the best and that you can command a higher price (or vice versa) ?

I really like to see those $2.5k wedding videos.

 

[sundazz]

The price also comes into consideration. That's why it's so hard to compare between different service providers.

It is also difficult to judge how good are yourself in the market. How many of other people's work have we seen ? How do you know that your work is among the best and that you can command a higher price (or vice versa) ?

I really like to see those $2.5k wedding videos.

of cos price is another major concern.. but we have to rate and value it base on the effort and time for us to produce the video. and yes it is very difficult to compare who is better.. infact cant really compare as these are oso very subjective.. different people have preference on different style. what i means on picture quality refers to clearity, sharp images, etc. production quality refers to good flow, good creative angle shoot, camera stablilty, and of cos for post will be effects, layers, compositions, etc.

guess u can see tat when u attending others wedding dinner ;p

 

[devilboy]

of cos price is another major concern.. but we have to rate and value it base on the effort and time for us to produce the video. and yes it is very difficult to compare who is better.. infact cant really compare as these are oso very subjective.. different people have preference on different style. what i means on picture quality refers to clearity, sharp images, etc. production quality refers to good flow, good creative angle shoot, camera stablilty, and of cos for post will be effects, layers, compositions, etc.

guess u can see tat when u attending others wedding dinner ;p

Using Semi Pro cam is not only images that it can produce, the audio plays a very important part, my team did an experiment with 2 cam, the Sony HC1 and A1P, both are almost identical except one is Semi Pro equiped with XLR (Sony A1P) and one equip with a mic (Sony HC1), the image quailty is very much the same but when you listen to the audio, you can tell which one is the clear choice here.

 

[sundazz]

Using Semi Pro cam is not only images that it can produce, the audio plays a very important part, my team did an experiment with 2 cam, the Sony HC1 and A1P, both are almost identical except one is Semi Pro equiped with XLR (Sony A1P) and one equip with a mic (Sony HC1), the image quailty is very much the same but when you listen to the audio, you can tell which one is the clear choice here.

tat's why camera plays important part not for just video images, but also professional image .. well other controls like sound are better.. XLR input is diffinately a Plus esp u have a choice for audio feed from mixer!

 

[vince123123]

The audio can be supplmented with a cheap and good mic such as the Rode Videomic or Audio Technica. Can even buff up with a SignVideo or Beachtec.

Don't really need a powerful video cam if audio is all that is to it. Unless of course someone tells me that the audio processing/encoding algorithm on the powerful cams are superior to the hobbyist cams using the same mic.

 

[sundazz]

The audio can be supplmented with a cheap and good mic such as the Rode Videomic or Audio Technica. Can even buff up with a SignVideo or Beachtec.

Don't really need a powerful video cam if audio is all that is to it. Unless of course someone tells me that the audio processing/encoding algorithm on the powerful cams are superior to the hobbyist cams using the same mic.

:nono:
well, we are talking of using the rite tools for a proper job for professionals, not home videos.
a consumer or lower end cam do not have XLR connection..
Audio cannot be easily suppliment by cheap n good mic.. u will know the diff in quality for why u pay for expensive mic like the Sennheiser MKH60, 416, etc.

unless audio is not important for your productions then i have no commends:dunno:

 

[MovinPixel]

Just my 2 cents.

IMHO. To each his own. Both points are valid. There are always a better way, a better opinion, better hardware, better technology...never ending.

There are so many criteria which contributes to qualities and expectations which is pointless to debate them and then gets shot down by individuals with various opinions. In the end, it is what and whom you are producing it for and how it is going to be viewed. Yes, with a certain level of quality in mind. But of course!

 

[sundazz]

Just my 2 cents.

IMHO. To each his own. Both points are valid. There are always a better way, a better opinion, better hardware, better technology...never ending.

There are so many criteria which contributes to qualities and expectations which is pointless to debate them and then gets shot down by individuals with various opinions. In the end, it is what and whom you are producing it for and how it is going to be viewed. Yes, with a certain level of quality in mind. But of course!

well.. i am referring to using the right tools rather then using a better tools

 

[vince123123]

Hmm, wouldn't the beachtek n signvideo solve the XLR problem?

:nono:
well, we are talking of using the rite tools for a proper job for professionals, not home videos.
a consumer or lower end cam do not have XLR connection..
Audio cannot be easily suppliment by cheap n good mic.. u will know the diff in quality for why u pay for expensive mic like the Sennheiser MKH60, 416, etc.

unless audio is not important for your productions then i have no commends:dunno:

 

[sundazz]

Hmm, wouldn't the beachtek n signvideo solve the XLR problem?

but a consumer or lower end camera's audio in is still not an XLR input.

 

[vince123123]

If jsut to get an XLR input you say that a high end cam has superior audio than a lower end cam, there's unfortunately a flaw in reasoning. The superior audio is achieved using the high end mic, and even though the lower end cam does not have an XLR input, it can solve that easily using a beachtec or signvideo and it will achieve the same result as your higher end cam.

UNLESS (which you still haven't mentioned), the higher end cam has better audio algorithm. if it is just a physical socket you are talking about, then I dont think its an issue. THe reason why the lower end cam uses 1/4" input instead of XLR has also to do with physical space on the lower end cam (which are typically smaller).

but a consumer or lower end camera's audio in is still not an XLR input.

 

[sundazz]

If jsut to get an XLR input you say that a high end cam has superior audio than a lower end cam, there's unfortunately a flaw in reasoning. The superior audio is achieved using the high end mic, and even though the lower end cam does not have an XLR input, it can solve that easily using a beachtec or signvideo and it will achieve the same result as your higher end cam.

UNLESS (which you still haven't mentioned), the higher end cam has better audio algorithm. if it is just a physical socket you are talking about, then I dont think its an issue. THe reason why the lower end cam uses 1/4" input instead of XLR has also to do with physical space on the lower end cam (which are typically smaller).

hi, thanks for sharing your tots n knowledge.
I am sorry tat i cant commends on the audio algorithm of the 2 diff cat of camera as i have not read and compare them.

Mic is very important, but good audio not just depends on the mic alone, a good recording device is also important.

XLR input is balanced input.. signal to noise ratio better.

for a production tat audio is important, a "clean' audio is needed with min of unwanted noise. as wat i mentioned B4, unless your audio is not important, then of cos u can use beachtec or signvideo as a subsitute for your audio..

jus my tot