Competitive

[izng]

Great to hear all you guys standing up for videography!:thumbsup:
Educating the public is the key to raise the value of our kind.

The sad thing is truly having the black sheeps :nono: in the industry that charge dirt prices and deliver sub-standard products.
I guess :dunno: that's why some people think videographers don't warrant higher payment than photographers.

Our society in general is still not ready to embrace video as impt as photo.
Where the west started using video cams in the home around the 1970s, we only started seeing them in recent 15 years or so.:think:

We do have a bit of catching up to do.

 

[JaPhotos]

erm...

there will always be pple charging low prices. honestly, i dont mind the low prices cutting in...bcos there will always be newbies entering into the market. i'm fine with that. Its those who are new and do not know what they are doing, charging as if they are a pro while they are not that is the black sheep.

ps: in the west they are still facing the same problems with pricing. why i know? cos i'm also actively in their community and hearing them complain abt the same thing too.

 

[devilboy]

Well... as for newbie going into this trade... charging cheap and low is just one of the route most of us will take before we have reach a certain level of standards. Some may have reached a certain comfortable rates while there are others who are trying to reach another level.

If you are good, your rates stays with you, customers who appreciate your work will hang on to you despite the costs... Newbie life ain't fun... I been through it..:bsmilie:

 

[wan]

I'm migrating 2 Melbourne dis Jan. Any idea hows the competition there? Or what kind of equipment they r using?:dunno:

 

[sundazz]

well.. tat's why i said it is competitive.. but i oso believe it is healthy competition tat will force us to upgrade own skills and knowledge. but sometimes i think videography is just like photography.. it is an art.. it is rather subjective.. some people like your work but others may not.. :embrass:

 

[devilboy]

I'm migrating 2 Melbourne dis Jan. Any idea hows the competition there? Or what kind of equipment they r using?:dunno:

I wished you all the best... Anyway, I think its pretty much the same.

 

[vince123123]

I understand that videographers get paid as much as, if not even more than a photographer.

Video editing is definitely more time consuming that photo editing.

anyway what are the current rates for vidoegrapher nowadays?
sometimes i'm puzzled... it seemed that AD photographer are paid better than videographer even though the cost(camera) and time(editing) in video is often more than photo... one thing i like abt videography is that...many say a picture tells a thousand words... but a video tells a thousand pictures... heee...coupled with audio (sound and tracks).. wow... brings you into wonderland...

 

[devilboy]

I understand that videographers get paid as much as, if not even more than a photographer.

Video editing is definitely more time consuming that photo editing.

Its the entire package we give to customers, I do find in video, pardon me if I am wrong, some of the final DVD/VCD product is quite disappointing (I mean the presentation).

Sharing a little here... When I started, I went to retail shop to look at DVD covers, pick up Adobe Illustrator skill and starts to learn DVD covers. What I did was, I request permission from them if they could give us their wedding studios shots, if they do, I will uses the pictures as the DVD cover and customise for them. If they do not, I will do some shots during the wedding for covers.... Thus when my customer saw the DVD cover nicely done, they will feel very proud and will recommend it to their friends and relatives. But of course whats inside the DVD is more important. My first DVD Cover (The content was a VCD actually) was for a friend, 6 years back (was a newbie then), and the DVD Cover was place together with his movie collection, some of the relative saw the DVD Cover and commented it was Pro, a month later I got a AD wedding coverage from my friend's cousin, my first ever paid job... hehehehehehe

 

[vince123123]

Yeap, not that I dont agree - in any event, some photographer's end products are also disappointing. But that was not the point I was trying to make.

Its the entire package we give to customers, I do find in video, pardon me if I am wrong, some of the final DVD/VCD product is quite disappointing (I mean the presentation).

Sharing a little here... When I started, I went to retail shop to look at DVD covers, pick up Adobe Illustrator skill and starts to learn DVD covers. What I did was, I request permission from them if they could give us their wedding studios shots, if they do, I will uses the pictures as the DVD cover and customise for them. If they do not, I will do some shots during the wedding for covers.... Thus when my customer saw the DVD cover nicely done, they will feel very proud and will recommend it to their friends and relatives. But of course whats inside the DVD is more important. My first DVD Cover (The content was a VCD actually) was for a friend, 6 years back (was a newbie then), and the DVD Cover was place together with his movie collection, some of the relative saw the DVD Cover and commented it was Pro, a month later I got a AD wedding coverage from my friend's cousin, my first ever paid job... hehehehehehe

 

[devilboy]

Yeap, not that I dont agree - in any event, some photographer's end products are also disappointing. But that was not the point I was trying to make.

Bro... lets' face it, life is never fair... especially in services we provide to earn a living.

 

[gil]

tat time (abt 8yrs to 10yrs back), was working freelance for a production hse specialize in wedding videography (a very well known prod hse at tat era, call AxxxxxyVideo). bo bian la.. tat time DV and mini DV not out yet mah.. they do hi end wedding video tat the rate can be sky high. but now.. cannot liao la.. even after 1 full day wedding shoot with miniDV i aredy shack out liao.. old man no stamina liao.. tat's why nowaday prefer to do post instead.

but i also ever worked for an agency for few years tat mainly used Beta for productions doing more on corporate sturf.. but they have a team of atleast 3 to 4 crews for any outdoor productions including sound and lighting.. atleast not so sheong with few people.

oic ,, you worked for Mic$&%@ P%^ ... bet you remember TUBE camera's e.g Sony M3 !!
together with BP-60 's & 90's batteries ( that's the CAMERA head ) + Hi / Lo Band portable
U-matic recorder's ... U named it bro !! I went thru all this

Technology .... really make's our LIFE so much better ...

gil

 

[devilboy]

oic ,, you worked for Mic$&%@ P%^ ... bet you remember TUBE camera's e.g Sony M3 !!
together with BP-60 's & 90's batteries ( that's the CAMERA head ) + Hi / Lo Band portable
U-matic recorder's ... U named it bro !! I went thru all this

Technology .... really make's our LIFE so much better ...

gil

That time, video biz commands a very very high price... even much higher than today...

 

[sundazz]

oic ,, you worked for Mic$&%@ P%^ ... bet you remember TUBE camera's e.g Sony M3 !!
together with BP-60 's & 90's batteries ( that's the CAMERA head ) + Hi / Lo Band portable
U-matic recorder's ... U named it bro !! I went thru all this

Technology .... really make's our LIFE so much better ...

gil

hahaa.. guess u are more senior then me.. u know this Mic$&%@ P%^ too.. .. hehee.. i ever used these cam B4 but cant rememeber the model. i used the U-matic that with sperate recorder when I was in the a!rf@rce sch@@l producing training video.. cant remember the model either..


yes.. technology really helps.. even in the post.. but sometimes i still feel linear editing for long events video is still a better choice. :dunno:

 

[sundazz]

That time, video biz commands a very very high price... even much higher than today...

wat to do.. now more people pick up the skills in schools.. our time is learn thru experience.
and oso equipment are much more expensive in the older days but now are almost everyone affordable. supply more than demad!!

have to think ways inorder to stay afloat..
:embrass:

 

[devilboy]

wat to do.. now more people pick up the skills in schools.. our time is learn thru experience.
and oso equipment are much more expensive in the older days but now are almost everyone affordable. supply more than demad!!

have to think ways inorder to stay afloat..
:embrass:

I pick up video via the video manual... hahahaha... just buy the camera because I like it.... and slowly learn...
Nowadays even primary school got video learning....

 

[alvinsclee]

... bet you remember TUBE camera's e.g Sony M3 !!
together with BP-60 's & 90's batteries ( that's the CAMERA head ) + Hi / Lo Band portable
U-matic recorder's ... U named it bro !! I went thru all this

Technology .... really make's our LIFE so much better ...

Haha, more nostalgic memories... days of plumbicons and vidicons... camera tube registrations and CCUs... you are making me want to wind the clock back to re-visit my friends of old

 

[alvinsclee]

yes.. technology really helps.. even in the post.. but sometimes i still feel linear editing for long events video is still a better choice. :dunno:

Frankly, I'm faster with old-style linear editing panel than digital suites... as I have said before, I missed the touch of those good old jog dials and hearing the whirl of tapes as I twist them about

 

[sundazz]

Great to hear all you guys standing up for videography!:thumbsup:
Educating the public is the key to raise the value of our kind.

The sad thing is truly having the black sheeps :nono: in the industry that charge dirt prices and deliver sub-standard products.
I guess :dunno: that's why some people think videographers don't warrant higher payment than photographers.


We do have a bit of catching up to do.

well, if quality no good tho with dirt cheap price.. i think the client will learn and will have no return customers! unless client dont really care for quality.. rather messy market maybe.. :dunno:

 

[tommon]

Maybe form a union or association for the media pros. Where a set of guidelines are published to inform the public and the pros of appropriate charges and rates. So far the olf pros have an unspoken guildlines but the newbies have not respected this and have crashed the whole market.

Anyway, maybe if a few big production houses can start the ball rolling so that the smaller ones could join.

 

[vince123123]

Easier said than done, and now also have to consider the Competition Act