Splutter said:Maybe its because there's an empirical gauge for technicalities but none for artistic values?
Splutter said:Coming from an engineer background (I totally sux at art!), I usually try to comment on things I know better - technicalities! Furthermore, artistic values are pretty subjective. What I feel may improve an image may degrade one in another's eyes.
zaren said:what everyone wants is daniel lezano, will cheung or mike maloney to comment on our pics.
however, we can't always have what we want.
so, we muddle along, doing the best we can, proferring opinions and half baked critiques. are they useless? no. does it mean your pic is crap if there are no critiques/comment? no. just means that ultimately you the photographer must learn to be your own harshest critic. does your photo measure up to what greg gorman or ansel adams can produce? surely you don't need someone to tell you "yes" or "no". your eyes are more than up to the task. having an experienced and respected critic like DL, WC and MM hastens the process of enlightenment, but that's not to say that the slow process of self invention, discovery and actualisation is any inferior. some of the most reputable photogs today were entirely self-taught, many of whom shoot entirely by instinct or feel.
so....shoot more, absorb ideas, create new ones, make mistakes, laugh about them, experiment, think more, be more selective, develop a thick skin and a unique style, and express yourself. what better way to enjoy photography?
binbeto said:It is difficult to give critique without hurting the poster ego.
Since it is so difficult, most choose to avoid it, less it turn out to be a flame war.
An incident still haunt me where I gave my sincere critique to a moderator. He turn ugly and challenged me to post one of my pic to show I am better.. :think:
From that day onward, I only try to give critique to those i know or those that I think are putting an effort to learn.
Zeckson Chow said:Perhaps you may want to look at the way you present your comments, my friend? We are writing comments, not speaking. There is a difference in the written language and the spoken language. Appropriate words will have to be used. One can still deliver the message but yet can make it sound so subtle that the reader will not get offended in any way.
Zeckson Chow said:Then that will be alright. From there, we will all see that problem does not lie in you.
binbeto said:...challenged me to post one of my pic...
binbeto said:Ya. I agree with what you said. If my memory serve me right, I wasn't rude or anything.
So, to save myself the trouble, I comment on pics for people who asked for it or people I knew (They will know I critique the pic not the person).
** After he buay song with my comments, I have already deleted all comments on his thread** :angel:
Hey! Where's zaren comments that appeared after mine? Post liao then regret huh? hee hee
yanyewkay said:sad but true. it is not limted to being a moderator to throw that challenge. many in here like to be thought highly as a guru, but on the other hand, are afraid that there are real professionals looking at their pics so they modestly decline the titleship.
jbma said:To some people the 'rule of third' is important. To me it doesn't matter much. If the photo shows the image or meaning that you are trying to project then you've made it. We follow too many rules and guidelines. It's time to 'think out of the box'. What is art to you may not be art to someone else. So be it! Just make sure you enjoy yourself doing photography. Self satisfaction is more important. Since you spend so much money on equipment and effort then you should be happy and satisfied and not worry too much on what others think.
kjmedora said:I totally agree with you... its an artform.. appreciate the message.. techniques are just a guide to helping you make a "better" photo.. Lets not be so "textbook" in appreciating the work done here.
espn said:I think when we post images perhaps a better way to let people see what we're trying to achieve is to explain firstly why we took the image, perhaps that would help.
student said:I feel the problem is the lack of knowhow to offer critique. Do the people offering critiques have "depth" within them? To one is empty, what can one offer? To offer a meaningful critique, one should be conversant with art in general and photography in particular. Craft and art are irrevocably linked together and cannot be separated. People conversant in such are rare.
Yes, one can always offer an opinion. And these opinions are useful. But "depth" of critique?
In the absence of such knowhow, how could critiques be "indepth". There must be depth in the one offering critique.
GitS said:my feeling is that there are probably more technical photographers here than those that shoot from the heart...this is true of any field, there are many more painters than there are artists.......which is probably why u are feeling the way you do ......
if on the other hand you are looking purely for technical feedback, you will have no shortage of critques here...its up to you how much credence you want to place on them and how important these are to you...
King Tiger said:Follow your heart, your passion.
binbeto said:An incident still haunt me where I gave my sincere critique to a moderator. He turn ugly and challenged me to post one of my pic to show I am better.. :think:
From that day onward, I only try to give critique to those i know or those that I think are putting an effort to learn.