Canon 5D is not perffect after all

[Agetan]

Thanks... no problem at all... Yes it is user problem, in this case ME... hahaha..

Anyway, It is a great camera, maybe I just have too much expectation when a lot of money is involved.

Switching over from one brand to another is not always simple, a lot of different UI to get used to... different $$ is involve and all sort of issue to iron out.

Hart

I don't think the 1-series will be any different since IMO, the issues you have with the 5d are still the same issues you will have with the 1d(user issue).

To change the aperture in M mode, you will need to make sure that your rear dial is "on". There are 2 'on' settings, one with the rear dial enabled and one without. I found this out without the manual after about 5 mins of use. All Canons with a rear dial have worked this way in M mode since the film days.

Wireless flash can be triggered by the ST-E2 or the 580EX or a slave flash, take your pick.

The whole problem is that you don't know how to use the camera and are not familiar enough with camera systems such that you can pick up a body and roughly figure out how everything works within a short span of time without the manual. Because you can't work the body, you assume that it cannot work. That is the issue. I find the 5d childishly easy to use since there aren't button "combos" like that on the 1-series bodies, which is why, had I been in Canon's position, I would have also told you that you don't need the manual.

Generally, if one is serious enough about photography to plonk down the large sum of money required for a 5d, you'd tend to expect that they'd know quite a bit about gear in general.

 

[TYM]

Great that you have replaced yr faulty 5D, must be a worrisome experience
Thanks for the warning, must check carefully next time, esp when we do overlook small things like the focusing box.

 

[CSlye]

Switching system is gonna be painful initially especially for those who shoot often due to habits and mindset. IMO, trying the 1-series is gonna be worst for you at this point in time since that are more controls to work with to get what u want as compare to the 5D. And yes Canon stuff ain't cheap and be prepared since it is likely get worst along the way :bsmilie: (perhaps another mindset thing to deal with). Have a bit of patience in terms of "adjusting" to the new system and there is a good possibility that you will learn to like/love it.

Thanks... no problem at all... Yes it is user problem, in this case ME... hahaha..

Anyway, It is a great camera, maybe I just have too much expectation when a lot of money is involved.

Switching over from one brand to another is not always simple, a lot of different UI to get used to... different $$ is involve and all sort of issue to iron out.

Hart

 

[+evenstar]

What is semi-automatic mode? You mean shutter and apeture priority?? I found my 5D extremely accurate with the 580 and Metz ct4.

Yes, Aperture priority... my experience is with 5d and 580 too... not very accurate. Hence I want to shoot manual on everything... and can't figure out how to use the M mode to change the aperture...? frustrating.


Isn't wireless flash an option with the flash unit itself? So what are you talking about? You meant no on camera flash you can trigger wirelessly? Well, the 1-series is much more expansive, and they don't have on camera flash. Canon must be a lousy designer if according to your logic.

Yes, how do you trigger the flash wirelessly? extra thing to buy, Canon didn't give me anything to trigger the flash wirelessly thought they told me the flash can do it, but how? and yes, It is a lousy designer as far as wireless flash goes. Image quality & Build quality department is impressive I must say.


What on earth is "No IS for 50mm?" Why do you need Image Stablizationfor a 50mm? For all EOS camera, the IS is still on the lens itself, so why is this a problem with 5D?

I need an stabilised lens/body for an exposure when it goes down to 1/5sec at 50mm f1.2 ISO 1600. Can't use the tripod in most cases. I can't get sharp image on that combination. I don't think Canon 50mm has any IS? well at least not on the lens that I am using.

Sorry I am comparing it with the so call much inferior APS-C Dynax 7D body which I can changing aperture and shutter speed is a breeze in M mode, image stabilise with my 50mm f1.2 lens and wireless control with a flick of the flash... I just can't justify all the cost with less feature and flexibility... I mean 5D+50mm f1.2+580 flash is not something like $2000, they are roughly around $6000?

I might sound harsh or just plainly stupid to some, but the math just don't adds up. It matters to me if I can't get the shot I want.

I was seriously thinking of buying into Canon or Fujifilm (Nikon System) system, starting with 5D, but was utterly dissapointed.

Maybe I should try 1 series before I jumped into the conclusion.

Hart

ditto xl1. RTFM.

 

[kiwi2]

What is semi-automatic mode? You mean shutter and apeture priority?? I found my 5D extremely accurate with the 580 and Metz ct4.

Yes, Aperture priority... my experience is with 5d and 580 too... not very accurate. Hence I want to shoot manual on everything... and can't figure out how to use the M mode to change the aperture...? frustrating.


Isn't wireless flash an option with the flash unit itself? So what are you talking about? You meant no on camera flash you can trigger wirelessly? Well, the 1-series is much more expansive, and they don't have on camera flash. Canon must be a lousy designer if according to your logic.

Yes, how do you trigger the flash wirelessly? extra thing to buy, Canon didn't give me anything to trigger the flash wirelessly thought they told me the flash can do it, but how? and yes, It is a lousy designer as far as wireless flash goes. Image quality & Build quality department is impressive I must say.


What on earth is "No IS for 50mm?" Why do you need Image Stablizationfor a 50mm? For all EOS camera, the IS is still on the lens itself, so why is this a problem with 5D?

I need an stabilised lens/body for an exposure when it goes down to 1/5sec at 50mm f1.2 ISO 1600. Can't use the tripod in most cases. I can't get sharp image on that combination. I don't think Canon 50mm has any IS? well at least not on the lens that I am using.

Sorry I am comparing it with the so call much inferior APS-C Dynax 7D body which I can changing aperture and shutter speed is a breeze in M mode, image stabilise with my 50mm f1.2 lens and wireless control with a flick of the flash... I just can't justify all the cost with less feature and flexibility... I mean 5D+50mm f1.2+580 flash is not something like $2000, they are roughly around $6000?

I might sound harsh or just plainly stupid to some, but the math just don't adds up. It matters to me if I can't get the shot I want.

I was seriously thinking of buying into Canon or Fujifilm (Nikon System) system, starting with 5D, but was utterly dissapointed.

Maybe I should try 1 series before I jumped into the conclusion.

Hart

Oh gosh... I think it's a very serious case of you not knowing how to handle the cam rather than any shortcomings on the camera itself. It's like a learner driver complaining a Ferrari is inferior compared to the family saloon car cos the steering of the sports car is stiffer!

Just wondering... why did you decide to get the 5D in the first place? Good thing you didn't get the 1D else you would feel even worse for spending so much more money and not getting what you want.

It'd probably a lot help if you could start by getting to know Canon system, read the camera manual to know where the functions are and perhaps explore photography further.

 

[babykailan]

serious OT and serious personal attacks siah...:bsmilie:

*pass green tea around* :sweat:

 

[Agetan]

ditto xl1. RTFM.

YES, I WILL RTFM if Canon provide me with one... they just assume someone will have great knowledge with their system when they borrow the set to me after I told them what I required. I could blame it on them by not providing me with what I need.

Point here is... Canon should not assume I know how to use their system!! of course for those who has indepth experience with Canon gear, it will be a piece of cake. If you are new and evaluating their system, I think it is pretty dump to assume someone will know most of the thing when there isn't a FM provided.

Ah well... Looks like I am not going to Canon route after all.

Regards,

Hart

 

[Agetan]

Oh gosh... I think it's a very serious case of you not knowing how to handle the cam rather than any shortcomings on the camera itself. It's like a learner driver complaining a Ferrari is inferior compared to the family saloon car cos the steering of the sports car is stiffer!

Just wondering... why did you decide to get the 5D in the first place? Good thing you didn't get the 1D else you would feel even worse for spending so much more money and not getting what you want.

It'd probably a lot help if you could start by getting to know Canon system, read the camera manual to know where the functions are and perhaps explore photography further.

For your info, I am not buying it... I was testing it and Canon lent me one 5D, 580 and 50mm f1.2 lens. I will buy them if it fits my requirement.

1D series is a great series camera... but seems like I have bad experience with 5D with them not providing me with the stupid manual and ASSUME i know.

I think we are seriously OT here... the point is, Canon system is great!! great lens... but not very intuitive camera body to use (at least for me).

Anyway, I know what I need to do now... and where to spend my $$$ on next.

Hart

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

For your info, I am not buying it... I was testing it and Canon lent me one 5D, 580 and 50mm f1.2 lens. I will buy them if it fits my requirement.

1D series is a great series camera... but seems like I have bad experience with 5D with them not providing me with the stupid manual and ASSUME i know.

I think we are seriously OT here... the point is, Canon system is great!! great lens... but not very intuitive camera body to use (at least for me).

Anyway, I know what I need to do now... and where to spend my $$$ on next.

Hart

we're pampered with all the dials shown externally... canons have most of the commands in the menu.

well... u win some u lose some... welcome back... ;p

 

[deslim27]

we're pampered with all the dials shown externally... canons have most of the commands in the menu.

well... u win some u lose some... welcome back... ;p

Wow, DCA and Agetan both here.. heh heh..

Think I missed most since switched is stabilized primes like 50mm and 100mm macro, as well as WA lens. It takes a while to get used to Canon design, but not too much trouble (except MLU and exposure bracketing which I used occasionally only). Flash, 20D/30D + 580EX is definitely much easier than 7D + 5600 or Metz4. Gain some, lose some! Just IMHO.

Thanks originator for informing nevertheless! Hope to get my very own FF camera soon! :lovegrin:

 

[Wisdomworld]

That's why the word "UPGRADE" is for.

Anyway, have a friend who owned this body and it is a GREAT CAMERA! :thumbsup:

When are you guys going to learn that nothing man made is ever perfect. Be it a Nikon, Canon, Olympus, etc, etc.

 

[+evenstar]

YES, I WILL RTFM if Canon provide me with one... they just assume someone will have great knowledge with their system when they borrow the set to me after I told them what I required. I could blame it on them by not providing me with what I need.

Point here is... Canon should not assume I know how to use their system!! of course for those who has indepth experience with Canon gear, it will be a piece of cake. If you are new and evaluating their system, I think it is pretty dump to assume someone will know most of the thing when there isn't a FM provided.

Ah well... Looks like I am not going to Canon route after all.

Regards,

Hart

then you should jolly well know that the 5D is not a entry level camera and all who are new to the system or cameras for that matter would read the manual. if you were not purchasing a camera, of course you'll not get the manual unless u asked.

 

[devilsjaw]

Well Its Just A Joke.... Why Do Some Ppl Take Things So Seriously.... He Already Said It's A Great Cam.... Damn... Chill Out A Little Guys...

 

[Deadpoet]

Well Its Just A Joke.... Why Do Some Ppl Take Things So Seriously.... He Already Said It's A Great Cam.... Damn... Chill Out A Little Guys...

Can you point out where is the punch line for this joke you are referring to?

Agree with evenstar, all I read was someone who is just a confused photographer. By the way, I agreww, the 1 series, you need instruction. 5D is quite intuitive eventhough it is not an entry level camera.

Wonder, why if one does not know how to use the camera one borrowed, did not ask for the manual?

 

[squalle]

actually, EOS user manuals CAN be downloaded
here: http://www.eosdoc.com/manuals/

well, I didnt have my manual either when I've got my EOS 5D
I came from lower end canon EOS cameras, it took me no time to adjust to 5D, except WOW-ing at its VF

 

[paisatge]

For your info, I am not buying it... I was testing it and Canon lent me one 5D, 580 and 50mm f1.2 lens. I will buy them if it fits my requirement.

1D series is a great series camera... but seems like I have bad experience with 5D with them not providing me with the stupid manual and ASSUME i know.

I think we are seriously OT here... the point is, Canon system is great!! great lens... but not very intuitive camera body to use (at least for me).

Anyway, I know what I need to do now... and where to spend my $$$ on next.

Hart

My personal experience is that pictures straight out of Canon DSLR aren't great. If you do post processing, it's a very very very good system - Just look at the EF lens range and I think all the 3rd parties have a lens with EF mount.

I got the Fuji S5 few weeks ago and the JPGs straight out of the camera are impressive. Of course, this is subjective. Others may love the pictures straight out from their Canons.

I used to have a 1 series. The AF is second to none, really. The Fuji is kind of slow...not to mention the frame rate.

I guess at the end of the day, it depends on each individual. I love the 1 series but the physical bulk and weight is too much. I'm sure others will have other reasons, etc. As long as it serves you as a photographic tool, that's the camera

 

[tweakmax]

My personal experience is that pictures straight out of Canon DSLR aren't great. If you do post processing, it's a very very very good system - Just look at the EF lens range and I think all the 3rd parties have a lens with EF mount.

I got the Fuji S5 few weeks ago and the JPGs straight out of the camera are impressive. Of course, this is subjective. Others may love the pictures straight out from their Canons.

I used to have a 1 series. The AF is second to none, really. The Fuji is kind of slow...not to mention the frame rate.

I guess at the end of the day, it depends on each individual. I love the 1 series but the physical bulk and weight is too much. I'm sure others will have other reasons, etc. As long as it serves you as a photographic tool, that's the camera

Used to have S2 pro b4 I switch to canon also. Find that the S2 pro is better in terms of skin tone, noise and flash photography (with flash sometimes get over-exposed if the person has fair skin). With the S2 pro in P mode most of the time the results are impressive.

 

[USM]

My personal experience is that pictures straight out of Canon DSLR aren't great.

Ever wonder why is this so? :think:

 

[paisatge]

Ever wonder why is this so? :think:

Guess this is subjective. After all, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Maybe if you've used a Fuji, you would think the same....or not

 

[USM]

Guess this is subjective. After all, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Maybe if you've used a Fuji, you would think the same....or not

Yes, Fuji S2pro and above are superb, no doubt about it when you are talking about straight out of camera pictures. Dynamic range is very good.

For Canon, straight out of camera pictures may look unsharp, etc is due to the AA filter place infront of the sensor. Of hand, I can't remember the purpose of the AA filter. Therefore, post processing is necessary.