Buyers beware - HSMSigma


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geraldkhoo said:
eh... the seller, HSMSigma, is not a senior member.

However, I did a search and he sure has a lot of buy and sell, and different systems as well.

Hmmm... if he is a "pro-trader", shouldn't he register as an Advertiser and pay CS so that we can all continue to have this great forum running? :D
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ya, i didn't know how to edit. he is not a senior and he certainly has a lot to sell.:D
and as mentioned earlier there are some with multi-nick, wts description all cut and paste!
 

Crashout said:
Unfortunately, the price I have paid for the camera (even after the "50" refund" could have netted me a 5D from the BnS with much lower shutter count, more batteries and a grip.

And yes, considering all I have had to pay (so far) for the camera, the 'solution' offered was (to me) unreasonable. Then again, whats unreasonable to me may not be unreasonable to someone else. And to have to pay another 50 as 'rent', to get my money back, just made things even worse. Why am I being punished for the sellers 'mistake' (intentional or not).

But like I have said, my lesson learnt.

The entire gist of my post was to serve as a warning. A wise man learns from a fool's mistakes. I have been the fool here, and I am just sharing so that no one else would suffer this fool's fate.
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Since its a matter of opinion and TS found the purported solution unacceptable, the next thing to do is really to move on. No point to go on complaining about the deal once its done. Just spend the time shooting more pics and getting to know the camera better. 8k, 30k doesnt alter the fact that you have a very capable tool that most ppl will give a lot for ??

Hope TS gets over this and share more pictures !!
 

geraldkhoo said:
eh... the seller, HSMSigma, is not a senior member.

However, I did a search and he sure has a lot of buy and sell, and different systems as well.

Hmmm... if he is a "pro-trader", shouldn't he register as an Advertiser and pay CS so that we can all continue to have this great forum running? :D
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I just found this thread and I too had a not-so-good experience with the same seller. I won't go into full details but bottom line is, I ended up sending the lens I purchased from him to NSC at my own expense.

I agree, he must register as an advertiser as I don't think he's a normal CS guy. I even PMed a mod to have this seller checked but not sure if he received my PM or not :dunno:
 

r0n1n said:
I just found this thread and I too had a not-so-good experience with the same seller. I won't go into full details but bottom line is, I ended up sending the lens I purchased from him to NSC at my own expense.

I agree, he must register as an advertiser as I don't think he's a normal CS guy. I even PMed a mod to have this seller checked but not sure if he received my PM or not :dunno:
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If HSMSigma is really a pro trader...and a dishonest one, more ppl will get scammed. If he really has some experience in selling/buying, natural instinct tells that a buyer would use shutter count to judge the usage. There's really no room to argue that the seller overlook this. Misrepresentation is akin to cheating. If misrepresentation is intentional, then the more this guy should be identified for benefit of majority.
 

I had the impression that the BnS is a facility for the benefit of photographers and photography enthusiast/hobbyist to buy/sell equipments and related stuff.

It's sad if it became a tool for traders as a means of generating income.

I guess it's in the best interests for majority of members if traders are not present..? how is a different issue lah.. just a concept.. not sure if anyone agrees?

Those who buy/sell can always subscribe as advertiser instead of being in disguise as a normal user.
 

Not really related to the seller/buyer thing... But nobody finds the reported shutter count provided by CSC to be EXACTLY at 30K questionable??? I've had four cameras serviced by them in the past and they seem to have a habit of telling me that all those different cams are at the 30k mark hehe, even my old 10D (which I know had over 100k) they claimed it was 50k while one of my newer cameras (i'm certain it's under 15k) had 30k. However, I didn't pay for the shutter count service, just a friendly "what's the range?" type of question to the tech.
 

Having sold stuff several times in CS, I am quite sad why I didn't have the good fortune to meet the many generous CSers who have left their comments here. I have met people who asked for 100% of the original content of item sold, including the box and then asked me for 30 - 40% discount. And worse, people who asked for discount but decided not to turn up.

My question for those who say SC is not important; If SC is not important, why do people pay less for a car that has count more distance on the odometer? I sent my 5D for servicing (because I notice dust particle) and SC before I sold it for 1.7k 6 months ago. That is taking into consideration that my camera has 20k SC.
 

chngpe01 said:
I am not here to argue for the sake of arguing or to be a kaypo, but to be as fair as humanly possible as a mod to all parties.

I have put across my points, accept it or not as long as it do not cross the line of the Term of Use in ClubSNAP - this thread can continue. I will not be replying anymore as I have alot of things to do for this forum eg. leading the organizing of this event with the rest of the mods http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=134 (at our own expenses - not paid) as well as having our own family and work outside CS.

Have a good Sunday.
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PE,

You are one of those mod that I respect in this forum. Working tirelessly to organise events, competition, eqp molest session etc. Would like to let you know your work is appreciated.

As far as I can see, no moderating is required at the point you step in. Sometimes, it is good to let the thread run it's course and don't moderate when it is not called for.

Maybe if you or the mod team have some time, you can run a clone test on the seller as a few has raised concerns about his account/status.

Just my 2 cents.
 

Oh let me know if my post is out of line and I am happy to retract them.
 

night86mare said:
ok, he lied about the shutter count.

everything else, to me, is just you ranting.

50 dollar for one week rental is fair price, he stated NO WARRANTY so frankly speaking, if he wanted to, he can tell you go and fly kite.
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i concur.
 

spartacus.ret said:
i concur.
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easily said if it did not happened to you. point is, seller provided misleading info on the sc. and again he is not the occasionally seller but a regular one.

so how many times has he mis-stated? perhaps those who bought from him and were happy can speak up for him on his behalf, to be fair to all parties.:bsmilie:
 

Just to join in the fun here, I bought a Nikon D200 a couple of years back. The seller claimed the SC to be less than 10k. I checked on my laptop and it turned out to be 150k!!! The seller's face turned red on the spot. Lucky me to bring along my laptop.
 

Xiao_shin said:
PE,

You are one of those mod that I respect in this forum. Working tirelessly to organise events, competition, eqp molest session etc. Would like to let you know your work is appreciated.

As far as I can see, no moderating is required at the point you step in. Sometimes, it is good to let the thread run it's course and don't moderate when it is not called for.

Maybe if you or the mod team have some time, you can run a clone test on the seller as a few has raised concerns about his account/status.

Just my 2 cents.
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ya, especially since the stated seller is an obvious case, not to mention a few others...:dunno:
 

jlchsg said:
Just to join in the fun here, I bought a Nikon D200 a couple of years back. The seller claimed the SC to be less than 10k. I checked on my laptop and it turned out to be 150k!!! The seller's face turned red on the spot. Lucky me to bring along my laptop.
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I am sure some of the posters on this thread won't mind if they really did buy it without knowing. Buyer beware, caveat emptor blah blah blah. After all, only the decimal was in the wrong place - 10.0k+ vs. 100.0k+ shutter count.
 

acpical said:
I am sure some of the posters on this thread won't mind if they really did buy it without knowing. Buyer beware, caveat emptor blah blah blah. After all, only the decimal was in the wrong place - 10.0k+ vs. 100.0k+ shutter count.
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ya, good one. next time seller just claim typo..:bsmilie:
 

chngpe01 said:
Please read the Terms and condition in B&S carefully. ie Buyer Beware

No judge here.

Calling the Seller a scam is rather strong accusation (in fact uncalled for), after all you got the camera that work and at best it was mis representation of the shutter count. In fact you could have even check shutter count on the spot - there are numerous post on how to check shutter count - just do a simple search and you will find: one very recent on http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6240508#post6240508. When buying used items one need to do some homework on the buyer part too.

In all fairness I do not see any scam here.

The only lessons here for ppl reading this thread is how to check a camera when buying used one. Instead of "Beware of HSMSigma" or it may work against the TS and become a "Beware when selling to threadstarter"

I will closed the thread if it goes one way and out of line.

Will wait for seller to respond.
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seller still selling, but no respond from him to this thread yet:dunno:
 

WISHBONEASH said:
seller still selling, but no respond from him to this thread yet:dunno:
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you can't be sure man. a seller with that much post in bns selling canon and nikon is a pro or maybe he owns a shop or some sort. he must have a real nick in CS. for all we know, he replied in this thread already.
 

Dear R0n1n,

Please do share your experience with this guy. If not on a new thread, then on this thread.
It looks like there was another complaint about him (same cell number, different nickname).
I've sent a 'Report Post' to the moderators. Though I think he will reappear with another nickname, I think it should be our responsibility to start the ball rolling.

I looked at both the accounts canon5d79 and HSMSigma, it seems that they have very identical items on sale. I wonder if we dig a little deeper, how many more clone accounts we can unearth.


r0n1n said:
I just found this thread and I too had a not-so-good experience with the same seller. I won't go into full details but bottom line is, I ended up sending the lens I purchased from him to NSC at my own expense.

I agree, he must register as an advertiser as I don't think he's a normal CS guy. I even PMed a mod to have this seller checked but not sure if he received my PM or not :dunno:
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