Beware of Swindler!

[EOS500N]

Come friend lets try to locate this guy

trying, but not easy lah

 

[EOS500N]

With the IP address and date/time, the ISPs can track exactly where the messages were posted from. Tricky part is getting the ISPs to give you the information. Not sure if they're willing to provide such information easily or not.

$30 is not a lot, but if he was really out to cheat - then I hope he gets caught.

yeah, not so much for the $ but for dat scoundrel 2 suffer.

 

[EOS500N]

I think you should just report it even if it is just for recording purposes. You have all the evidence to claim against the person. If the person is found, at worse he may either deny it or said that he sent it. In any case, you will get to the bottom of your $30.

In addition, even with dynamic IP you can still obtain the IP from the mod and then the police can check it against the ISPs in Singapore who can track all teh way to the machine address of the computer. It is traceable, but only if the police can help as warrants will be required for these kinds of information. The same too for the POSB account.

The only trouble for you is that you have to go to a NPP and make a police report. As there is a monetary transaction, it constitutes fraud. By reporting and if the person is identified and questioned, it will be up to him to try and prove that he kept his side of the bargain. Judging by the way his MO, I think he might just sweat when the police comes...

Just my 2cs....

thanx...

 

[EOS500N]

Front page headlines on Clubsnap:
Online Cheater Brought to Trial at SEED!

if only it'll b dat simple. haha!

 

[EOS500N]

Aiyah, if the victim is a relation of someone powerful like minister or PS, sure police will track down the two guys and charge them..... but too bad, not all humble citizens know someone in power.......

Wonder why we pay taxes to keep police if our safety cannot be guaranteed in PUBLIC places like a street? :dunno:

oops... tis getting a bit 2 far-fetched. lez not start blaming the police here. cool it.

 

[EOS500N]

if you dealing in SG, then why not just meet up and transact? buyer can examine the product and hand over cash when satisifed. then you wont have this problem.

like i mentioned in my initial posting, he claimed he was staying offshore n didn't wanna travel. n being a small amount, i didn't suspect anything. so it goes...

 

[EOS500N]

well too bad if he live on pulau ubin and you live on kusu. if you want to deal safely, then better to meet in person and transact. you take the risk and transact my funds transfer or mail then fraud is a risk you have to take.

so far anyone who transact with me always face-to-face. buyer can check goods on the spot, satisfied then pay seller there and then.

and yes i read all the posts :blah:

not sure wat u're push here. i've already ALSO mentioned in my initial posting dat I HAVE NOBODY @ BLAME EXCEPT MYSELF. period.

 

[EOS500N]

Agree fully with you. Its recommended not to take things at face value, I will always prefer to meet the buyer/seller face to face, check the goods on the spot, and if both parties are agreeable an exchange of goods and cash takes place. Nothing beats the feeling of cold hard cash in your hands (if you are the seller that is).

EOS500N: Sorry to hear abt your experience, luckily its only 30 bucks...it could have been worse if the amount is much more. :sweat: Thanks for letting us know...

no prob. lesson learnt.

 

[EOS500N]

anyway, my sole purpose in posting this thread is 2 let u guys b aware of tis scoundrel. n oso 2 remind 1 n all 2 b careful n avoid such transactions. watever said in tis thread is not dat important. have a good day!

 

[madmacs]

not sure wat u're push here. i've already ALSO mentioned in my initial posting dat I HAVE NOBODY @ BLAME EXCEPT MYSELF. period.

take it easy friend. my post just was a response to zodnm's post.

i was merely pointing out that it is safer to deal in person. your ordeal is a lesson for all of us.

 

[jasonwcs]

Wah Siao la, spoil the CS market like that, how can??
Guys, What happen if he re-register as a new user how???
Mst keep track of this fellow lei!!!
It's really too much, hope he will suffer KAMA for the rest of this life as the poorest man in the earth becos of the $30!!! ;( I mean if he is ready into cheating this!!!

I myself have just conducted some MO recently lei, even ask the buyer to transfer the funds to me first as for my play safe cos I scare wait last min backup than what u expect me to do with the thing as I already paid in advance, right? As I can't sell it as 2nd hand cos I loss money for nothing.
Well, we just have to be more careful in the futher, especially those who claim to still at pula ubin or strange places!!! :nono:

 

[tangoninazero]

:think: its really amazing how people react over just $30
LOL sighhhhhhhh

 

[mylau]

i guessed as much the police might not entertain such cases. which is why i said i only have myself 2 blame. but i'll try 2 trace the fella out n if i find him, well... anyway thanx for the info.

report to the police first, then with the police report, the bank can provide u with further information.

 

[jasonwcs]

:think: its really amazing how people react over just $30
LOL sighhhhhhhh

Well, it's not just money, it's abt the beatutiful city we are staying in,
also if he can cheat for $30, what happen if he can "kill" someone for maybe million of dollars, or maybe just thousands only :sweat: , but I do hope is a misunderstanding so that, that "guy" can speak up for himself :nono:

 

[EOS500N]

take it easy friend. my post just was a response to zodnm's post.

i was merely pointing out that it is safer to deal in person. your ordeal is a lesson for all of us.

i apologise for the outburst. sudden heat of the moment.

 

[EOS500N]

lastly thanx for all who have advised n shown concern on tis matter. think tis thread should b closed for now. purpose 2 alert everyone has been met. no point harping on tis anymore. dun mind mods pls close the thread. thanx!

 

[madmacs]

:think: its really amazing how people react over just $30
LOL sighhhhhhhh

it doesnt matter whether its $3, $30, or $30000. cheating is cheating. hope that crook gets caught - maybe for armed robbery then kena rotan

 

[madmacs]

i apologise for the outburst. sudden heat of the moment.

no worries...

 

[Newbie0001]

I have a suggestion: maybe we can have a sticky thread to blacklist all the seller/buyer who does not honour the deal. To reduce the number of fraud. Unless, the person involved make good explanation, if not, it can be a reference for all the forumners.

Few months back I have encountered this also:
The buyer is maxtheevil.
I admit that he tried to contact me but due to my hp got some problem, so we have some communication problems, once or twice he suggested to meet at certain places, but I didn't receive message, and I didn't reply to confirm the message. I do not know whether he turned up or not.

At the last time we dealed, we have confirmed the time,date, venue for the deal to take place through PM and SMS. (I have his number).
You know what? He NEVER turned up. And I found out starting from that day, the hp number is not working anymore. Eventhough I was the seller, that doesn't mean that the buyer can play a fool of me?

I think he just wanted to revenge. In this case, it is not the time or money we have wasted, but rather we feel like being cheated.

Too bad laws also shield those rich ppl. And not always uphold the justice for those who are weaker. What I can advise is , be careful. Unless the deal is DEFINITELY secure, then can transact through internet banking.

By the way, anyone has any comment about Maxtheevil?

(ps: Max, if you want to refute, please discuss with me through PM. I will give you an apology if I was wrong about you)

 

[Winston]

if you are on dialup, yes the IP is dynamic, changes each time you connect. but the ISP will have a log of which IP went to which subscriber at what time, and from this log it is possible to track who this guy is. you just need the cooperation of the admins in this forum (which i'm sure they will be more than willing), and file a police report with the relevant information.

The order of action is incorrect.

You should log a report and the authorities will get a court order to get the admin to release the ip address and for the ISP to then release the user details.

The admins will co-operate will the authorities only and will not release ip address or member's info to anyone who asks.
This is true for all forums.

It is up to the authorities to decide if this case is a fraud based on the evidence and conduct their investigations, if they need to, then they will do what's needed to get the forum admin and ISP to help.

Anyway with the h/p number, isn't it easier for the authories to check with the mobile service provider to find the person who registered the phone line before than check on ip address?

Or can just go check with the bank for details of the account holder whom you transferred the funds to.

Anyway, the person if arrested can say the fund transfer was a gift from you or you owe him money.
There is not evidence to prove that the money transferred was for the payment of the products you ordered.

Because there was no order at all.

In short, There is no evidence that a transaction is taking place, unless you have saved all the sms btw the both of the seller and you.

All you have is a fund transfer from your account to his.

And a cancelled handphone number. And you can't prove that the handphone number was cancelled to avoid you.
It's just your deduction.

Sorry if I sound, un sympathatic to your plight.
But given the evidence that you have, you will only be "fighting a loosing war" even if you have his name, address, real telephone number.

$30 or not, it is a lesson learnt that all online transacations carries the element of risk, and it is important to record all communications (email or sms) btw the seller and buyer as a prove that a transacation is taking place and a verbal contract (willingness to sell and willingness to buy) is present.