Beware of bad guy

[slayer12]

Hi, I'm a newbie to rangefinder and recently I advertise to buy some lens.

I have got an offer from a guy have nick name: NorthernLights for a Canon 50mm LTM f1.4
He said that the lens is a very sharp copy without any problem.

We process to deal yesterday at StarBuck near PSA building. I believe that he's a senior member on CS (join from 2002, and nearly 40 years old) so I didn't check it careful (he come suddenly when I having lunch). He told me that now until Tuesday when I leave for UK, he have the right to buy it back if he want and at the same time I could return it to him if I do not like it.

After getting back home I found there are some haze on 1 middle element of the lens that is hard to see in strong light (at 12.30PM - the dealing time). I just can see it in dim ambient light in my room. After finding that I told him to return it back but he refused and said I may damage the lens (the haze of the internal element -> so how can I 'put' the haze into his lens:sweat:???) and he refused to get it back and only he said he didn't warranty for it and only he can decide whether to buy it back or not :nono:

It's not a big trouble as the haze do not affect much on the image quality and I think it can remove by CLA (just about 50-100$) but I ready to leave Singapore soon -> I have no time for it.

I know the warranty statement is not a written statement so I cannot do anything to force him to warranty it for me.
I still keep all the SMS between me and this guy.

Just write this topic to warn everyone about him:

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I think we will have to hear both sides of the story before any judgement or conclusion is made.

 

[dankwan]

Hi, I'm a newbie to rangefinder and recently I advertise to buy some lens.

I have got an offer from a guy have nick name: NorthernLights for a Canon 50mm LTM f1.4
He said that the lens is a very sharp copy without any problem.

We process to deal yesterday at StarBuck near PSA building. I believe that he's a senior member on CS (join from 2002, and nearly 40 years old) so I didn't check it careful (he come suddenly when I having lunch). He told me that now until Tuesday when I leave for UK, he have the right to buy it back if he want and at the same time I could return it to him if I do not like it.

After getting back home I found there are some haze on 1 middle element of the lens that is hard to see in strong light (at 12.30PM - the dealing time). I just can see it in dim ambient light in my room. After finding that I told him to return it back but he refused and said I may damage the lens (the haze of the internal element -> so how can I 'put' the haze into his lens:sweat:???) and he refused to get it back and only he said he didn't warranty for it and only he can decide whether to buy it back or not :nono:

It's not a big trouble as the haze do not affect much on the image quality and I think it can remove by CLA (just about 50-100$) but I ready to leave Singapore soon -> I have no time for it.

I know the warranty statement is not a written statement so I cannot do anything to force him to warranty it for me.
I still keep all the SMS between me and this guy.

Just write this topic to warn everyone about him:
l]

Hi slayer, I feel bad for you, however and having said that, I agree with RWC, both sides should be heard and to air a grievance like this in public, is not PC. This was a private deal so it should be settled and kept offline. I appreciate your need to vent but not when it borders on slander. Apologies ahead if my words are too harsh or offensive.

 

[NikF601]

Thnks for sharing .. rule of thumb...before buying any 2nd hand ... need to check 200%

 

[NorthernLights]

I have to come in and comment. I have bought and sold stuff with many on CS and they can attest to me as a person.

First thing, I was the one who had reservations about selling because I was not sure if I could get back a similar price/ quality for this lens and my specific words were: I have the right to buy back the lens if I changed my mind about selling. It was a "first right to buy back" agreement and never the other way round. There was no personal guarantee or warranty given as claimed towards the seller. He also put the lens he bought in his pocket and went off. There was no protective casing or bags used.

Why did I sell? I was not shooting a lot and hence just wanted to unload some lenses. Check through my website in flickr and you can see great shots done by the 50/1.4 LTM.

Slayer12 is a bargainer and bargained for days but still bought it at my price as for me, I needn't have to sell.

When Slayer12 bombarded me with sms' and phonecalls, he said he did not like the sharpness. Nothing about haze which is the first time I am seeing now.

Next, he threatened me with words like "but you can choose to get into trouble for these minor thing". I feel threatened by his gangster behaviour and have made a police report this morning.

Well, he did a thorough check 10 minutes turning the focus ring (yesterday during our meeting) looking through the lens and in strong sunlight, not ambient as claimed. Even in his sms, he mentioned it's something about the lens he was not happy. He later sms'd it was sharpness and never about any haze that I was not aware. The haze thing is new. Slayer12 seems to keep switching his arguments and have now gone online with such dishonest claims.

I have bought and sold many things on CS and am a shooter and not a trader. Many can attest to the stuff I sell. It is a deal closed and transacted with slayer12 suffering from buyer's remorse.

Moderators, please note.

 

[dankwan]

With all due respect, guys, now that you've both said your fill, much appreciated if this is taken offline.

The rf forum is for rf talk. Nobody here is in any position to judge nor jump to any conclusions. It's just a little sad that a happy place is now a little less happy.

Cheers gents

 

[slayer12]

Sorry I didn't mention any thing about sharpness of the lens and you can check my SMS again.
I just mention about condition of the lens is not as good as your statement.
So you should responsible for it as you said I can return it to you, Northen Lights.

And I ask him to meet me. And he can refuse to get it back if it has damage or some error of wrong usage.
But until now, I he do not want a offline meeting with me.It's the reason why I publish it to this forum.

@NorthenLight: If you sure about your lens, why don't you dare to meet me to clarify about it.
And read my claim carefully, I didn't say anything wrong: hard to see in strong light (not in ambient light as you imagine your self) and then slander me as a liar while the one that have problem with understanding is you.

If it's my fault to damage your lens or if there is nothing wrong with it I will sorry you publicly.
It's not a big amount of money but I hate to be cheated. The purpose of this thread is just let every body know the truth and be careful with guys like you.

Update: Until now, I call him 3 times to arrange an offline solution but no one catch the phone (even I sms him before calling) and now the phone has turn off (or block my number)

 

[jonmanjiro]

FWIW haze in Canon LTM lenses is quite common. The lubrication used by Canon is the culprit. The haze is usually very easy to clean up. If you're ok working on lenses and cameras its a DIY job, otherwise any half decent repairmain can clean it up.

 

[slayer12]

Thanks jonmanjiro,
I will look for a repair man in my trip next week

 

[fusionz]

Hi, I'm a newbie to rangefinder and recently I advertise to buy some lens.

I have got an offer from a guy have nick name: NorthernLights for a Canon 50mm LTM f1.4
He said that the lens is a very sharp copy without any problem.

We process to deal yesterday at StarBuck near PSA building. I believe that he's a senior member on CS (join from 2002, and nearly 40 years old) so I didn't check it careful (he come suddenly when I having lunch). He told me that now until Tuesday when I leave for UK, he have the right to buy it back if he want and at the same time I could return it to him if I do not like it.

After getting back home I found there are some haze on 1 middle element of the lens that is hard to see in strong light (at 12.30PM - the dealing time). I just can see it in dim ambient light in my room. After finding that I told him to return it back but he refused and said I may damage the lens (the haze of the internal element -> so how can I 'put' the haze into his lens???) and he refused to get it back and only he said he didn't warranty for it and only he can decide whether to buy it back or not

It's not a big trouble as the haze do not affect much on the image quality and I think it can remove by CLA (just about 50-100$) but I ready to leave Singapore soon -> I have no time for it.

I know the warranty statement is not a written statement so I cannot do anything to force him to warranty it for me.
I still keep all the SMS between me and this guy.

Just write this topic to warn everyone about him:
l]

Seems that his flickr account is not longer active. Guilty party? Anyway shame on him to do such a thing if he's truly guilty of such a unethical act.

 

[Simon]

This is your personal issue. Due with it offline.

Hi, I'm a newbie to rangefinder and recently I advertise to buy some lens.

I have got an offer from a guy have nick name: NorthernLights for a Canon 50mm LTM f1.4
He said that the lens is a very sharp copy without any problem.

We process to deal yesterday at StarBuck near PSA building. I believe that he's a senior member on CS (join from 2002, and nearly 40 years old) so I didn't check it careful (he come suddenly when I having lunch). He told me that now until Tuesday when I leave for UK, he have the right to buy it back if he want and at the same time I could return it to him if I do not like it.

After getting back home I found there are some haze on 1 middle element of the lens that is hard to see in strong light (at 12.30PM - the dealing time). I just can see it in dim ambient light in my room. After finding that I told him to return it back but he refused and said I may damage the lens (the haze of the internal element -> so how can I 'put' the haze into his lens:sweat:???) and he refused to get it back and only he said he didn't warranty for it and only he can decide whether to buy it back or not :nono:

It's not a big trouble as the haze do not affect much on the image quality and I think it can remove by CLA (just about 50-100$) but I ready to leave Singapore soon -> I have no time for it.

I know the warranty statement is not a written statement so I cannot do anything to force him to warranty it for me.
I still keep all the SMS between me and this guy.

Just write this topic to warn everyone about him:

flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/justphotography

 

[ed9119]

BETTER NOT SELL anything to TS LOL !!!

Verdict .... sorry dude.... its your fault ...... u checked, u paid, and you accepted it .... just throw all verbal promises out the window once money changes hands ...... on ANY deal

This is a classic case of what NOT to do in a forum buy/sell transaction

 

[donut88]

Hi, I'm a newbie to rangefinder and recently I advertise to buy some lens.

I have got an offer from a guy have nick name: NorthernLights for a Canon 50mm LTM f1.4
He said that the lens is a very sharp copy without any problem.

We process to deal yesterday at StarBuck near PSA building. I believe that he's a senior member on CS (join from 2002, and nearly 40 years old) so I didn't check it careful (he come suddenly when I having lunch). He told me that now until Tuesday when I leave for UK, he have the right to buy it back if he want and at the same time I could return it to him if I do not like it.

After getting back home I found there are some haze on 1 middle element of the lens that is hard to see in strong light (at 12.30PM - the dealing time). I just can see it in dim ambient light in my room. After finding that I told him to return it back but he refused and said I may damage the lens (the haze of the internal element -> so how can I 'put' the haze into his lens:sweat:???) and he refused to get it back and only he said he didn't warranty for it and only he can decide whether to buy it back or not :nono:

It's not a big trouble as the haze do not affect much on the image quality and I think it can remove by CLA (just about 50-100$) but I ready to leave Singapore soon -> I have no time for it.

I know the warranty statement is not a written statement so I cannot do anything to force him to warranty it for me.
I still keep all the SMS between me and this guy.

Just write this topic to warn everyone about him:

U should have brought yr cam body and test the lens on the spot.

Lens not sharp is not seller's fault. Even haze is not seller's fault if u do 200% check.

This is the risk that u need to take when dealing with 2nd hand stuff.

Y not u just keep shooting with it and be happy with it?

 

[irvind]

Not only 2nd hand stuff, if you buy brand new from a shop without checking properly. Once money paid and there is no return, unless you send for warranty lo.. You need to take risk to lose full amount of your money when purchase 2nd hand stuff, no one can do anything unless you buy apple he give orange.. Just my 2 cents, sure have some reason behind when people selling their stuff especially at low price. Cheers~

 

[austinheight]

Not only 2nd hand stuff, if you buy brand new from a shop without checking properly. Once money paid and there is no return, unless you send for warranty lo.. You need to take risk to lose full amount of your money when purchase 2nd hand stuff, no one can do anything unless you buy apple he give orange.. Just my 2 cents, sure have some reason behind when people selling their stuff especially at low price. Cheers~

Depends on which shop I think.

I bought a lens from Parisilk Holland V, and as I was rushing, I did not check the lens as they have a 7-day return clause printed in black and white in their receipts.

Later I found a hair inside the lens upon examination. The next day, went back to them. The boss got it changed for me with a big smile. :thumbsup:

Since then, I never bother to check the gears at this shop whenever I buy stuffs from them.

 

[calvinklein]

all down to one thing, business ethics.

 

[spree86]

Depends on which shop I think.

I bought a lens from Parisilk Holland V, and as I was rushing, I did not check the lens as they have a 7-day return clause printed in black and white in their receipts.

Later I found a hair inside the lens upon examination. The next day, went back to them. The boss got it changed for me with a big smile. :thumbsup:

Since then, I never bother to check the gears at this shop whenever I buy stuffs from them.

Haha still must check lah, if wanna go back change still a hassle

 

[ovaltinemilo]

Rule #1: Nv trust a stranger's promises. Deal is final once money changes hands.

 

[irvind]

Depends on which shop I think.

I bought a lens from Parisilk Holland V, and as I was rushing, I did not check the lens as they have a 7-day return clause printed in black and white in their receipts.

Later I found a hair inside the lens upon examination. The next day, went back to them. The boss got it changed for me with a big smile. :thumbsup:

Since then, I never bother to check the gears at this shop whenever I buy stuffs from them.

7 days return still ok to do so.. But don't return because of serious issue such as lens crack etc.. The boss got the right not to change. But some of the shop really friendly, they just take back and tell supplier it crack during shipment. +1 for good boss~

 

[ovaltinemilo]

7 days return still ok to do so.. But don't return because of serious issue such as lens crack etc.. The boss got the right not to change. But some of the shop really friendly, they just take back and tell supplier it crack during shipment. +1 for good boss~

which shops tt you encountered, have this kinda good service? Can share?