A230, A330, A380, new lenses and a new flash on 18th May!!!
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boombox
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Speaking from a videographer's pov, DSLR movie modes are really fun, and the prospects are exciting, but there are problems abound that limit their usefulness as serious movie recording devices:
Ergonomics: it would have been ergonomically difficult to film properly and stably when you hold a lump of camera in front of you. It's fun at first, good for trips and such, but gets shaky and hand straining if you want to do this the whole day - EVF helps here and it puts the camera back up to someone's eyes, and if anybody's going to do it, maybe Panasonic can with an upgraded G1 or a successor model (I'm an EVF guy, but will use LV when needed).
Stripped down Movie Modes on Entry Level DSLRs:
720p - (D90, D5000)
20FPS - 500D
Shallow DOF presents problems during usage/ AF & MF tracking with telephoto focal lengths and large apertures:
DOF, large sensors available at a lower price with DSLR lenses - This is a hugely exciting prospect, but can you Dolly and pan while you focus and zoom?
AF is rather slow and sluggish on current implementations, factored in the larger sensor and longer lenses, you are left with a much shallower DOF, it means a longer wait for AF to correct itself, it negates the benefits of large sensor and large lens recordings and limits you to smaller aperture kit lenses that offers a large enough DOF for realistic video recording usage.
AF motor noise - goes straight into the built in microphones - and excludes a whole lot of lenses and limits you to AF-S/USM lenses if you want AF to function during video recording.
Lack of External Audio Input - 500D, D90, and D5000 as up to this moment has no external Audio Input. Only the more expensive 5DMK2 has external Mic input.
Lack of mounted continuous light source accessories that has an option to draw power straight off the hot shoe.
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Video on DSLR is fun, but gives you a harder time and be more of a hassle to work with. If people really wanted video, get a camcorder.
doomslayerz
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$USD?
The prices are in USD$ if i'm not mistaken since it's a press release by sony USA
I know it's USD. But it's still a good price, all things considered.
T.A.
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Speaking from a videographer's pov, DSLR movie modes are really fun, and the prospects are exciting, but there are problems abound that limit their usefulness as serious movie recording devices:
Ergonomics: it would have been ergonomically difficult to film properly and stably when you hold a lump of camera in front of you. It's fun at first, good for trips and such, but gets shaky and hand straining if you want to do this the whole day - EVF helps here and it puts the camera back up to someone's eyes, and if anybody's going to do it, maybe Panasonic can with an upgraded G1 or a successor model (I'm an EVF guy, but will use LV when needed).
Stripped down Movie Modes on Entry Level DSLRs:
720p - (D90, D5000)
20FPS - 500D
Shallow DOF presents problems during usage/ AF & MF tracking with telephoto focal lengths and large apertures:
DOF, large sensors available at a lower price with DSLR lenses - This is a hugely exciting prospect, but can you Dolly and pan while you focus and zoom?
AF is rather slow and sluggish on current implementations, factored in the larger sensor and longer lenses, you are left with a much shallower DOF, it means a longer wait for AF to correct itself, it negates the benefits of large sensor and large lens recordings and limits you to smaller aperture kit lenses that offers a large enough DOF for realistic video recording usage.
AF motor noise - goes straight into the built in microphones - and excludes a whole lot of lenses and limits you to AF-S/USM lenses if you want AF to function during video recording.
Lack of External Audio Input - 500D, D90, and D5000 as up to this moment has no external Audio Input. Only the more expensive 5DMK2 has external Mic input.
Lack of mounted continuous light source accessories that has an option to draw power straight off the hot shoe.
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Video on DSLR is fun, but gives you a harder time and be more of a hassle to work with. If people really wanted video, get a camcorder.
+1 to what you've said.
I'm sure the camera manufacturers would not want these cameras to eat into their videocam
market, thus would limit it's functions. It's probably meant to be for taking short clips only.
External mic input and mounted light sources most likely be left out.
They could allow stopping down for a wider DOF but motor noise is still a big problem.
The lenses in even a budget videocam is dead quiet compared to SSM but they could
still pick up noise from the tape motors (miniDV etc) which makes less sound than the
SSM lenses.
For Sony, there'll be another problem. For C/N, they've OIS but for Sony it's sensor shift
which could mean huge battery power draw/ premature failure of the sensor shift mechanism.
They might have to do it their old way to combat this problem.
SSS would be disabled, instead of sensor shift, they use less of the sensor area so that
they've can use the outer areas to compensate for the movement.
This would bring another problem similiar to FF vs APS-C, in video mode, the sensor
would be in crop mode, which means not fully utilising the sensor area compared to the
rest. Display in video mode for non EVF/LV cams can be troublesome.
It wouldn't anyway. Think about it, full HD is 1920X1080, or easily within the resolution of almost all DSRLs today.
lichtleiter
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So, whose going to buy any of these new SONY DSLR??
They will surely get a tough competition with the D5000 (S$1185) and 500D (S$1369) which comes with movie mode. I know that video function is awkward to use in DSLR but it's good function to have and it adds value to the cam. Moreover CANICON has a higher resale value.
They will surely get a tough competition with the D5000 (S$1185) and 500D (S$1369) which comes with movie mode. I know that video function is awkward to use in DSLR but it's good function to have and it adds value to the cam. Moreover CANICON has a higher resale value.
jammerwong
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I agree with lichtleiter ....Unless Sony price these new models addressed the problems @ higher ISO and sells much lower than the Canicon, it is going to difficult to match them.
T.A.
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I'm sure even if we crop 1/2 the sensor area away, the quality should still be very good.
It might even have imperceptible difference to using the full sensor area but it'll
definitely affect the angle of view when we switch between photo taking and video.
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Agreed that video does not need to utilise the whole sensor (be it FF or crop) as you can already see in the market for camcorder, even those HD ones are only using CMOS sensor the size of 1/3.2". So FF or even crop sensors in DSLR is already a overkill...
However, it will always be great to be able to take occasional video clips if available, esp for these low end models which target mostly newbies and family usage.
For mid-high end range, probably not as pros will not be taking video in short duration for fun anyway...(as it seems from most comments I seen)
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Errr. You think the many first-time buyers out there even know what ISO is? Nope. The target market will care more about camera looks and how pretty the UI is, and in this case Sony's hitting it right on the spot.
See my above post... As for resale value, I disagree. In fact, many sony and minolta lenses have appreciated in price!
Considering that these cams are targeted at the mass-market snap-happy tourist rather than portrait photog, I don't think a VG will be sold actually.
actually i don't really see much of a problem when shooting at high ISO.
i've owned the A200 (lowest end of the lineup) and the noise is still manageable.
are those street prices? you can find an a200 kit + freebies for less than S$800. this makes "CANICON" 50-70% more expensive
but that's only comparing to a200, ofcourse
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lichtleiter
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Let me share some of my experience. I once posted a 3-month old a350 dual lens kit for a friend at BnS. It took a day and some heavy bargaining before I could let go at 37% lower than it's purchase price. While my 450D took only an hour to sell at 20% below it's purchase price. CANIKON resale prices are really higher based on the figures I see at the BnS.
very agree.
Sony DSLRs lesser ppl will want to buy.
i guessing most ppl rather get C or N.
lichtleiter
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are those street prices? you can find an a200 kit + freebies for less than S$800. this makes "CANICON" 50-70% more expensive
Yes, they are street prices. You can't compare a D5000 or a 500d to a200. They are of different league. A closer comparison would be a200 to D60(S$860) or 1000D(S$899)
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