5D MKiii [rumored] vs D800 / E

[rhino123]

In short, canon needs to improve on the lower noise at high iso, better DR, better AF system, may be better body egonomics & a competitive price as a basic for 5D mk3. did i miss out anything?

Better ergonomic is very subjective. It might work for some, but not others. I worked in the consumer electronic R&D sector, and had been hearing alot of this improve on ergonomic thingy by my marketing units... but seriously, there is nothing the engineers could do except for the very basic (give a round here, add a grip there, etc, etc) and no matter what the engineers do, some people will marvel over how good the thing feel, but would be **** to others.

As for noise control... if they are using a sensor similar or the same as 1DX (and if all the rumours are true) the noise control will be fabulous... this is also one thing... lesser MP, lesser pixel cramming.

 

[Minglink]

I am in no hurry, but the 5D3 will be the last chance for Canon, as far as me, and tons of Canon landscape shooters, are concerned. What do people like me want? Tons of megapixels, no AA filter to reduce the effective pixel count, and an ultra wide that is nothing short of jaw droppingly sharp. (don't get me started on the Canon 17-40 or the 16-35, they are both toys compared to the Nikkor 14-24).

I think its better for you to jump to Nikon camp. Nikon camp have all your needs. I do own the "Toy" 17-40 and i am still using it until Canon launch a better wide angle lens.

 

[JohnJon82]

Maybe Canon and Nikon are own by same group of people. Now they pump Nikon so that people feel Nikon is better spec, making people jump ship, after a while they pump back Canon to over power Nikon, then people jump again, business & profit...

 

[niccon2]

Better ergonomic is very subjective. It might work for some, but not others.

which is why i listed as may be. However, i do hope they place the on/off switch like nikon or at least like 7D. i am lazy to charge battery so i tried to off cam after a shot or two to conserve energy thus find it slower/hassle when turning on my cam (50D brought years ago) when place next to lcd.

 

[niccon2]

Maybe Canon and Nikon are own by same group of people. Now they pump Nikon so that people feel Nikon is better spec, making people jump ship, after a while they pump back Canon to over power Nikon, then people jump again, business & profit...

i am thinking canon is evaulating which model (rumour mentioned there are a few prototypes) to counter nikon spec. it is big hassle to switch, after i am with canon i told myself no more switching.

 

[ManWearPants]

Event type photography: Ha, i was so stunned the very first time i handled a nikon , and it was a D700, during my friend's actual day wedding. Then I handled my other friend's 5Dmkii - what a fiddly camera! Bear in mind, I'm a canon user. So there's the AF difference. The shots on the nikon were more in focus, cleaner, and creamier. Even the noise control, or so my friend said when he showed me the photos taken with the D700 by the official photog and my other friend's 5Dmkii. I felt sad I was on the canon side.

I don't do event photography much. But if the nikons can do it, why can't canon? I hope the 5DmkIII better do justice!

Are u sure this has to do with camera? Could be very well be the lens used when u say "more in focus, cleaner and creamier". Do u mean better subject isolation, and creamier bokeh?

The noise control of the 5D2 is the best 3 years ago. Others may have surpassed it by now, but surely it is not that bad.

 

[ManWearPants]

For my landscape shoots, if Canon fails to catch up to the D800E with the 5D3, I am SERIOUSLY considering getting the D800E + the 14-24 f/2.8. Even if it means learning an entire new system. I am just fed up with Canon. They failed to deliver an ultra wide zoom anywhere close to the legendary Nikkor 14-24. Then they did it with the 70-200 II. I cough up the dough for it because it is excellent. Now they want to release the 24-70 II at almost the same price as the 70-200 II but with no IS! Utterly disappointing! If the 5D3 doesn't have over 30mp and an AF at least as good as the 7D's, then Canon, I am out! I won't cross over to the dark side because I want to, but because Canon forces me out. Shame on you, Canon, for letting your fans down. If a much smaller company like Nikon can deliver what they did over the past few years, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE a behemoth like you, with your vast resources, can't.

I ak using Zeiss lenses on 5D2. Don't feel any inadequecies on the body. You are disappointed with the lens choices and high price of lenses. Are u sure u will have better options and cheaper price after jumping ship. From what I know, 14-24 is not cheap and I don't like it cos lack of filter options. I prefer Sony as can use Zeiss 16-35.

 

[LittleSid]

I really hope canon don't take nikon's pixel challenge. I don't want a insanely-high mp 5d3! Please, just upgrade the af and dr system will do.

 

[niccon2]

I really hope canon don't take nikon's pixel challenge. I don't want a insanely-high mp 5d3! Please, just upgrade the af and dr system will do.

39mp :bsmilie:

 

[The Moving Chair]

Let's have 37 MP.

 

[neech7]

I really hope canon don't take nikon's pixel challenge. I don't want a insanely-high mp 5d3! Please, just upgrade the af and dr system will do.

You always have the option of shooting at lower res on a high mp camera, but not the other way round.

 

[Razur]

N breaks the rules of this DSLR game which followed by CNS...

Everybody follows the route from Iphone1, to Iphone2, to....Iphone4S. This is the evolution directed by Mr. $.

N jumped directly to Iphone5 by passing Iphone 3 and Iphone4.

Now I ask, what's going to be next after D800? N will end him up by this crazy performer which should be performed in 2014 or later.

Canon is sleeping like that rabbit.....Wake up, Canon, there don't have much time for DSLR. Where do you want to go before dying?

 

[rhino123]

... and again... everyone was jumping at Canon for not releasing something that is revolutionary...

which the fact was... no one even know what system Canon is coming out at the present moment, what is the actual spec and performance of Canon's 5DmkIII... everything was base on rumours which might not even be true at all.

When 1DX came out and everyone was wowing and stuff like that... then Nikon announced their D4 and I saw huge number of people 'weeping', 'cursing' and stuff that the D4 is not as 'revolutionary' as Canon's 1DX... but true is... everything up till now are on paper... and no one had the chance to actually handle any of the camera for prolonged period of time to actually know how they fare.

Same thing for D800 and Canon's 5D mkIII (or X or whatever). Nikon's D800 seemed extremely impressive on paper... and that was it... no one know how it perform on the field... and immiediately, I see people coming in here to threaten to jump ship, calling Canon dying and stuff... This is something I felt pretty funny. Why don't we just wait and see what was in store for 2012. And if Canon really sucks... then they will follow the old route of Kodak, and thats it... we can only shrug and move on.

Oh... and there are revolution, there are evolution and there are something like too far ahead of its time. It was like in the early 90s when PC is not even wide spread, some joker came up with MP3, it is not going to sell, because few families actually had PC at home to download songs... also there is something like cost of manufacturing, development etc.

Technology is there... but normally companies will not bother to come up with something that is light years ahead of their competitors, it was not cost effective. What they will do is to come up with a basic models... then graduadly upgrade this model... although the time frame are more or less shortened in recent years, but the pattern is still here... to make things simpler, when Nikon came up with a 36MP camera, Canon might come out with a 22MP or 30MP camera, with same or slightly better overall performance and sell at about the same cost as Nikon, but will not come out with something stella like a 100MP camera etc.

 

[neech7]

I think its better for you to jump to Nikon camp. Nikon camp have all your needs. I do own the "Toy" 17-40 and i am still using it until Canon launch a better wide angle lens.

I see I touched some nerves when I criticized Canon's wide angle offerings. Yes, I also own the 17-40. The 14-24 from Nikon has been around for a while so I don't know how long we have to wait. As for others' responses, I am saying I may want to shoot wide angle landscape with Nikon, and retain Canon for standard and tele. I am very happy with Canon's 70-200 II. It is just sad that Canon cannot compete with Nikon on the wide end, and we're not even talking about Zeiss's wide prime offerings.

 

[niccon2]

You always have the option of shooting at lower res on a high mp camera, but not the other way round.

correct me if i am wrong if a high mp sensor has poor noise preformance at high ISO, even if the shot is taken at lower mp selection, the noise lever is the same as high mp at the given high ISO, right?

 

[BraveHart]

Yo guys cool it - can feel the temperature's rising around here.

At the end of the day its just a hobby involving some expensive gadgets

 

[neech7]

correct me if i am wrong if a high mp sensor has poor noise preformance at high ISO, even if the shot is taken at lower mp selection, the noise lever is the same as high mp at the given high ISO, right?

No, noise level should improve, because the photo is taken at full res and then downsized before being saved to memory card.

 

[Blur Shadow]

Maybe Canon and Nikon are own by same group of people. Now they pump Nikon so that people feel Nikon is better spec, making people jump ship, after a while they pump back Canon to over power Nikon, then people jump again, business & profit...

Haha! Ultimate conspiracy theory!

 

[neech7]

Yo guys cool it - can feel the temperature's rising around here.

At the end of the day its just a hobby involving some expensive gadgets

We are in this forum probably because we are Canon shooters. I don't think we should be afraid to criticize Canon when they are falling behind. If all Canon hear and see are satisfied customers then they won't improve their products.

 

[chengpenguin]

Are u sure this has to do with camera? Could be very well be the lens used when u say "more in focus, cleaner and creamier". Do u mean better subject isolation, and creamier bokeh?

The noise control of the 5D2 is the best 3 years ago. Others may have surpassed it by now, but surely it is not that bad.

Exactly... There was even no mentions of lenses used here. Try using a 85L on a 5D2 and find out what is creamy.

If a photographer knows how to use his tools, he can handle any kind of situations within his own means. If Canon is giving you problems, by all means, jump ship.