neech7
New Member
Would be nice if there's a no AA filter option like Nikon.
5D MKiii [rumored] vs D800 / E
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Would be nice if there's a no AA filter option like Nikon.
I am quite sure Canon has lost this round.
I am not trying to stir up anything anger here... i am a canon user. but looking at how things have been moving the last couple of months plus canon rumors latest post:
"Lots of speculation about the end of the month for a new camera body. However, there is nothing concrete and I’ve been told that things are going “back and forth” in regards to an announcement."
if they had a good reply to the D800 there wouldn't be so much uncertainty and "going back and forth"...
I am not trying to stir up anything anger here... i am a canon user. but looking at how things have been moving the last couple of months plus canon rumors latest post:
"Lots of speculation about the end of the month for a new camera body. However, there is nothing concrete and I’ve been told that things are going “back and forth” in regards to an announcement."
if they had a good reply to the D800 there wouldn't be so much uncertainty and "going back and forth"...
Halfmoon
Senior Member
I do not think that Canon has lost.... yet.......
Canon did not even show their cards, and sometimes, showing cards first is not mean you win first!
And too many are simply too impatient and jump to conclusion too soon when they should have actually look and analyses the whole situation....
At least waited till Canon announces before denouncing Canon lost...
Why canon is uncertain??? Maybe they have too many options to chose from... if they have no options... I am more worried.........
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yeah just look at their new release lenses, don't see any reason why they won't put an IS on the 24-70 and it cost so much more than the earlier version.
IS is suppose to be canons strong point
:thumbsd:if the 17-55 get to have IS why not on the 24-70???
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Jonathan Ang
Senior Member
Yes, and yes. If you don't understand, I'm not saying the 5Dmk II is no good. But it pales in comparison to the D700. The focus is much snappier, and sharper, or should i say, accurate. This is common knowledge, you should know. The lenses? Both were using the sigma 85. Noise control, well theoretically they should be on par - I don't know why this one isn't. Shrugs. Since the D800's specs are out, on paper anyway, let's just hope canon's offerings are better this time around.
surrephoto
Senior Member
Erm are you sure? Especially if you refer to the original D3 this is FAR from true.
Speed not equals to accuracy...
lightsabre
Senior Member
Honestly, I don't see what the great excitement around the D800 is about. Essentially the D800 looks very much like a D700 with a high mpx sensor. Sure there are some tweaks here and there but if one takes out the sensor, I don't see what so different with the D700... Oh yes, and they added video finally. I went through the 'new technologies' section of the dpreview D800 preview and did not see anything impressive.
This in fact made me more anxious to see what Canon have up their sleeves.
Canon have been known to really disrupt the market with their innovations. They are capable of thinking outside the box.... They did it with the first CMOS dlsr sensor, the 300D (first consumer mass market dlsr), 5D (first full frame dslr) and just a few weeks back, the G1x (first compact camera with a large sensor and a zoom lens). In fact, when the G1x was leaked, people couldn't believe it was using a 1.5" sensor and thought it was a typo for a 2/3" sensor.
The 5D3 or 5Dx is already almost 6 months late, like the G1x which was a few months late, I suspect Canon is working on something disruptive again. Something no one expected, as usual. My guess it that Canon may be working on a foveon like sensor
Look they've already done it for the C300 video camera. It is using an 8mpx multi layered rgb sensor. It makes sense to expect that their video focused dslr like the 5D3 should follow the same path, don't you think?
There has been rumors saying that the 5Dx has a 21-22mpx sensor can scale up very well to 40mpx or down to 4k video, etc.... I was thinking it could be a multi layered foveon like sensor.... Remember that while Sigma claims x3 resolution gain, tests show it is closer to x2 (due to the green pixels which determines resolution making up 50% of total pixel count ). So a 21mpx multi layered sensor gives about 40mpx Bayer equivalent resolution.
This should satisfy the 2 conflicting rumors saying 21mpx and 40mpx at the same time.
Here is the true strength of Canon, they have the sensor technology. Anytime they want a 1.5" sensor, they got it. Anytime they want a foveon like sensor, they can get it.
Today, the rumor mills says that Canon will be releasing a record number of lenses this year. So if there is any shortcoming in your Canon lenses, there is hope yet.
This in fact made me more anxious to see what Canon have up their sleeves.
Canon have been known to really disrupt the market with their innovations. They are capable of thinking outside the box.... They did it with the first CMOS dlsr sensor, the 300D (first consumer mass market dlsr), 5D (first full frame dslr) and just a few weeks back, the G1x (first compact camera with a large sensor and a zoom lens). In fact, when the G1x was leaked, people couldn't believe it was using a 1.5" sensor and thought it was a typo for a 2/3" sensor.
The 5D3 or 5Dx is already almost 6 months late, like the G1x which was a few months late, I suspect Canon is working on something disruptive again. Something no one expected, as usual. My guess it that Canon may be working on a foveon like sensor
Look they've already done it for the C300 video camera. It is using an 8mpx multi layered rgb sensor. It makes sense to expect that their video focused dslr like the 5D3 should follow the same path, don't you think?There has been rumors saying that the 5Dx has a 21-22mpx sensor can scale up very well to 40mpx or down to 4k video, etc.... I was thinking it could be a multi layered foveon like sensor.... Remember that while Sigma claims x3 resolution gain, tests show it is closer to x2 (due to the green pixels which determines resolution making up 50% of total pixel count ). So a 21mpx multi layered sensor gives about 40mpx Bayer equivalent resolution.
This should satisfy the 2 conflicting rumors saying 21mpx and 40mpx at the same time.
Here is the true strength of Canon, they have the sensor technology. Anytime they want a 1.5" sensor, they got it. Anytime they want a foveon like sensor, they can get it.
Today, the rumor mills says that Canon will be releasing a record number of lenses this year. So if there is any shortcoming in your Canon lenses, there is hope yet.
As far as AF is concerned, the advantage D700 has over the 5D2 is in peripheral AF points. The center AF point of the 5D2 is VERY good and reliable, certainly no slouch compared to the D700. Some people who have used both cameras have even gone on to say the 5D2 center AF performs better.
Edit: BTW, does anyone remember the time when the Nikon D90 was announced? It was the first camera with video capabilities and everyone thought Canon was doomed. All the Nikon fanboys went amok and invaded every single Canon forum. But several weeks later, the 5D2 was announced: FF camera with 1080p video capability. Then, as they say, the rest is history: nobody ever talked about the video capability of the D90 anymore, the 5D2 completely trounced the D700 (and every other Nikon FF camera for that matter) in sales numbers and every single Canon DSLR after the 5D2 offered 1080p video capability while Nikon struggled and struggled without 1080p until the D3100 was released...
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rhino123
Senior Member
Huh? lets take of look at things here...
the key word here is speculation. This speculation is make by people not in Canon, but outside Canon.
the thing that is going back and forth is also made by people NOT in Canon and was merely people that is summing up from various rumours. So frankly... why had Canon lose?
When Canon first announced the 1DX... there are no other announcement for a long time from competitors... and I have not hear people saying that Nikon is going to lose... Actually Nikon only announce their D4 recently. Plus we are actually comparing something at this moment that is out of thin air and with no concrete evident of anything at present moment... no concrete spec, or how the product is even going to look like and I see lots and lots of temperament flaring... :dunno:
The Moving Chair
New Member
You haven't see what canon has to offer and u say canon lose? LOL.
chengpenguin
Senior Member
For you guys who are contemplating whether to buy 1DX, 5D3 or D800, here's something to help you.
Missing D4!~ :bsmilie:
Own plenty of Canon Lens --> No --> have S$xxxx Budget? --> Yes --> D4
Own plenty of Canon Lens --> No --> have S$xxxx Budget? --> Yes --> D4
For you guys who are contemplating whether to buy 1DX, 5D3 or D800, here's something to help you.
chengpenguin
Senior Member
Can expand, but it will burst into a humongous flowchart. This chart was meant for people who wants to compare and contemplate buying the not-yet-announced 5D3 or the new guy at the "next" block, D800.
hey guys,
as i did say, i am not trying to stir any **** here or throw a wet blanket. i do hope i am wrong in my analysis as much as some of you are challenging it. my speculation is as good as any other which is just - speculation.
this thread is really more of an interesting discussion more than anything else don't you think? or course there will be pros out there who would really need this upgrade. those who can afford it please let nothing stop you. but seriously for the majority of us, for any reason if we are not able to, is this improvement in technology a do or a die thing?
i really don't see myself moving from my 5d2 in at least the next 1 year.
as i did say, i am not trying to stir any **** here or throw a wet blanket. i do hope i am wrong in my analysis as much as some of you are challenging it. my speculation is as good as any other which is just - speculation.
this thread is really more of an interesting discussion more than anything else don't you think? or course there will be pros out there who would really need this upgrade. those who can afford it please let nothing stop you. but seriously for the majority of us, for any reason if we are not able to, is this improvement in technology a do or a die thing?
i really don't see myself moving from my 5d2 in at least the next 1 year.
phoakm
Senior Member
Aiyo, just be patient and wait for a while more.
News will come out sooner or later.
Now I think the most important is to upgrade for your system to increase more processing power and faster file transfer speed. Just in case, it need to handle more megapixel and bigger file. Which I hopefully hope that this doesn't happen to 5DMK3.
I can forsee, those who are getting D800, will be visiting IT show next month. Another way of improving buying power!
News will come out sooner or later.
Now I think the most important is to upgrade for your system to increase more processing power and faster file transfer speed. Just in case, it need to handle more megapixel and bigger file. Which I hopefully hope that this doesn't happen to 5DMK3.
I can forsee, those who are getting D800, will be visiting IT show next month. Another way of improving buying power!
orangebokeh
Senior Member
from the way this is going and with all the spending, contrary to all the financial reports, i don't think singapore economy will slow down this year... hahahaha....
