17-35mm f2.8 VS 17-55mm f2.8

[theRBK]

black one crippled...white one not

Pls enlighten me by what you mean G is crippled. :what:

 

[Jimbotan]

black one crippled...white one not

If you use the current generation of camera bodies, G or no G does not matter lar (if you have those older bodies that cannot change aperture settings, then by all means buy the non-G to be compatible)..... for full frame concerns, anyone can confirm if Nikon will build full frame in the near future? If not, why worry about the unknown? The world may end before Nikon full frame digital becomes reality..... of course, if you currently have Nikon film camera body, then it is a valid consideration. Just my 2cts....

 

[espn]

Uh-oh... here we go... hold on tight!

 

[ernest_ted]

FF ?......o when......:bsmilie:

 

[Tetrode]

If you use the current generation of camera bodies, G or no G does not matter lar (if you have those older bodies that cannot change aperture settings, then by all means buy the non-G to be compatible)..... for full frame concerns, anyone can confirm if Nikon will build full frame in the near future? If not, why worry about the unknown? The world may end before Nikon full frame digital becomes reality..... of course, if you currently have Nikon film camera body, then it is a valid consideration. Just my 2cts....

Your first sentence is true. However, why would you buy Nikon then if the aperture ring is of no consequence to you? You might as well go with the Canon system and get the benefits of IS and USM (Canon has been making longer than anyone else),a larger selection of and slightly cheaper pro spec'd lenses and a FF dSLR.

The biggest reasons for sticking with Nikon is no longer there..i.e. of backward compatibility, a better Macro system. Since, it seems a large majority of users on this sub-forum are newbies,do not own legacy equipment and seem able to afford pro spec'd equipment, why encourage them to use Nikon? Why not tell them to use Canon from the word go instead?

Nikon lenses w/o the aperture rings have the same benefits as Canon EF lenses (that also have no aperture rings).

And please spare me the argument that Nikon is better than Canon crap. I'd bet noone here can (in a double blind test) tell the difference in results between equipment of both brands. And not that it matters if even if they did, it would not help them one bit in taking better photos.

Is it bec of Nikon's good reputation? Surely there must be a more concrete reason than this.

 

[Tetrode]

Uh-oh... here we go... hold on tight!

Be a good boy and shut your pie hole. ok?

 

[jnet6]

Your first sentence is true. However, why would you buy Nikon then if the aperture ring is of no consequence to you? You might as well go with the Canon system and get the benefits of IS and USM (Canon has been making longer than anyone else),a larger selection of and slightly cheaper pro spec'd lenses and a FF dSLR.

The biggest reasons for sticking with Nikon is no longer there..i.e. of backward compatibility, a better Macro system. Since, it seems a large majority of users on this sub-forum are newbies,do not own legacy equipment and seem able to afford pro spec'd equipment, why encourage them to use Nikon? Why not tell them to use Canon from the word go instead?

Nikon lenses w/o the aperture rings have the same benefits as Canon EF lenses (that also have no aperture rings).

And please spare me the argument that Nikon is better than Canon crap. I'd bet noone here can (in a double blind test) tell the difference in results between equipment of both brands. And not that it matters if even if they did, it would not help them one bit in taking better photos.

Is it bec of Nikon's good reputation? Surely there must be a more concrete reason than this.

cool down... let's not start a C&N again...

 

[Tetrode]

cool down... let's not start a C&N again...

It is not about C vs N, but more of 'Are you thinking through the reasons for owning the equipment thoroughly?' and 'or are you blindly following the status quo?'.

I'm a Nikon user btw.

And the 'you' in my questions is not in reference to you but to the collective 'you'.

 

[espn]

Be a good boy and shut your pie hole. ok?

This is a perfect reply that reflects the poster is capable of nothing but taunts and trolling :bsmilie: Must have been guilty to even pick up something which wasn't replied to even it.

Pity Ian not around, and the moderators bo chup also... haha..

:bsmilie:

 

[Tetrode]

This is a perfect reply that reflects the poster is capable of nothing but taunts and trolling :bsmilie: Must have been guilty to even pick up something which wasn't replied to even it.

Pity Ian not around, and the moderators bo chup also... haha..

:bsmilie:

Ha! this is rich, who is the troll in this instance.
If you take the time to look back the posts, you started the taunting first.
I didn't start nothin. You want to start it, I'll help you finish it.

I think a lot of ppl here are sick and tired of your overbearing nature too. You are royalty for sure (the King) - a ROYAL PITA.

Oh BTW, if anyone has nothing concrete to say, I believe it is also you. So far, you have not been able to counter my arguments (regarding the advantages or lack there of of VR and G lenses) with anything concrete.

Sure, you have been helpful to many here on this subforum. That much I concede, but you think you own the forum and have a right to make innane posts like BBB and take up bandwidth with banal banter between your cronies.

And please, false modesty is really no modesty at all. If you own the equipment like a D2H or whatever, admit to it and don't play coy. It really is quite off putting to say the least. The only one that looks silly is yourself.

 

[espn]

Ha! this is rich, who is the troll in this instance.

This is rich... the answer is so obvious... :bsmilie:

So far, you have not been able to reply to counter my arguments regarding the advantages or lack there of of VR and G lenses with anything concrete.

What for? It's only fruitful if both parties can see and accept what each other see, so far I only see that you cannot accept what others see, I might as well just troll about and irritate the hell out of others. :bsmilie:

Me not interested in being constructive anyway :bsmilie: I'm just a newbie, I have to thank my loyal supports for crowning me :bsmilie:

To get a troll to admit that I'm King really is no mean feat, steady lah!!! :lovegrin:



p/s: I'm so amused by people who don't even know the origin of the joke 'king' to even start using it and be so offended by it, somebody, crown him, ya? Hahaha..

 

[Tetrode]

This is rich... the answer is so obvious... :bsmilie:


What for? It's only fruitful if both parties can see and accept what each other see, so far I only see that you cannot accept what others see, I might as well just troll about and irritate the hell out of others. :bsmilie:

Me not interested in being constructive anyway :bsmilie: I'm just a newbie, I have to thank my loyal supports for crowning me :bsmilie:

To get a troll to admit that I'm King really is no mean feat, steady lah!!! :lovegrin:



p/s: I'm so amused by people who don't even know the origin of the joke 'king' to even start using it and be so offended by it, somebody, crown him, ya? Hahaha..

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

 

[theRBK]

Let's stop the pointless taunting which not only is OT but spoiling the friendly atmosphere...doesn't matter who started it...lets just stop OK

 

[espn]

QED

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=188838

Yep.. I agree.. QED :thumbsup:



Thanks for agreeing with me. Finally we see something eye to eye!!! :bsmilie:

 

[Tetrode]

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=188838

Yep.. I agree.. QED :thumbsup:



Thanks for agreeing with me. Finally we see something eye to eye!!! :bsmilie:

Do you even know what that means?
Oh btw, your biography description is very apt.:bsmilie:

 

[espn]

Do you even know what that means?
Oh btw, your biography description is very apt.:bsmilie:

If you knew why I listed that link out in reply to you, you'd know if i understood QED or not... :bsmilie: So do you understand anot? :bsmilie:

Thank you for even bothering to read my biography description, it's glad to know that great minds think alike and adore each other :bsmilie:

 

[Tetrode]

If you knew why I listed that link out in reply to you, you'd know if i understood QED or not... :bsmilie: So do you understand anot? :bsmilie:

Thank you for even bothering to read my biography description, it's glad to know that great minds think alike and adore each other :bsmilie:

Sorry, adore is a word that I would not use with you. :bigeyes:
I'm sure you have your cronies to do that to you and what other 'things' you want them to do to you. "shudder".

 

[espn]

Sorry, adore is a word that I would not use with you. :bigeyes:

Don't worry... it'll be a secret between us, ya? I promise I won't tell others :thumbsup: :lovegrin: :sweatsm:

 

[Tetrode]

Don't worry... it'll be a secret between us, ya? I promise I won't tell others :thumbsup: :lovegrin: :sweatsm:

No need - I'm sure you have your VR and G lenses you can do it with. Leave me out of the your sordid equation.

You can **** yourself silly with them for all I care and I don't care at all.

 

[Jimbotan]

Your first sentence is true. However, why would you buy Nikon then if the aperture ring is of no consequence to you? You might as well go with the Canon system and get the benefits of IS and USM (Canon has been making longer than anyone else),a larger selection of and slightly cheaper pro spec'd lenses and a FF dSLR..

Do people buy Nikon just for the aperture ring? There is more to a lens (and photography) than an aperture ring, surely..... I have never heard of anyone making a decision on photograpgic equipment based so heavily on an aperture ring.... :bsmilie:

The biggest reasons for sticking with Nikon is no longer there..i.e. of backward compatibility, a better Macro system. Since, it seems a large majority of users on this sub-forum are newbies,do not own legacy equipment and seem able to afford pro spec'd equipment, why encourage them to use Nikon? Why not tell them to use Canon from the word go instead?

How is backward compatibility useful if many do not have the older equipment to use it with? Of course one can buy the non-G lenses if backward compatibility is necessary. Why worry if your current gear is a D2 (for example)? Don't people buy equipment to suit the purpose? Why worry about backward compatibility if there is no need to (as mentioned, if there is a need, then buy non-G lor)....

Nikon lenses w/o the aperture rings have the same benefits as Canon EF lenses (that also have no aperture rings).

Lenses are all about aperture rings? :sticktong

And please spare me the argument that Nikon is better than Canon crap. I'd bet noone here can (in a double blind test) tell the difference in results between equipment of both brands. And not that it matters if even if they did, it would not help them one bit in taking better photos.

So, just having aperture rings allow you to take better photos?

Is it bec of Nikon's good reputation? Surely there must be a more concrete reason than this.

There are many other reasons other than aperture rings (with or without)..... no offense, I find some of your reasonings quite amusing.....