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[narloke]

Sorry I really don't have the energy to flip through 5 pages of messages, but I don't understand why almost everyone's talking like it's the worst picture that's been posted here.

The styling isn't that horrid really. Some may like to complain about the pose and angle, actually I'm quite alright with both. I even think that this might be an interesting picture, if the lighting and processing were properly done. Right now the light on the face looks uneven, and thus giving it a dirty feel.

The only other problem may just be the crop off of the feet, and if I'd pick on the posing, maybe the model shouldn't have looked up so much, it's not very flattering for her features in this case. The overall direction of this shot is acceptable to me, the above comments are just my 2cents. Hope it's helpful.

Thanks bro, your suggestion will be very useful to me since i still need to learn a lot about studio shoot. Expect more comments from you in the future, that will be my pleasure

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

Be calm man, don't lose your gentle behaviours to those who are not worthy of it. To discuss moral issues with them is just like the old chinese says " play pianos to the bulls" (sorry for my bad translation)

somehow i think i should retract my previous statement...

 

[student]

the student of 2004 and the student of today is a different man.
maybe good, maybe bad

The student is the same.

The environment is different. Too much sh1t around.

You want to be among sh1t?

 

[Klose]

Thanks bro, your suggestion will be very useful to me since i still need to learn a lot about studio shoot. Expect more comments from you in the future, that will be my pleasure

The "bro" is a she :sweat:

 

[Ballack]

of course. whether she likes it or not, you you intend to use this in your resume, then it's better to go with the general opinion. and in this case, i think you might not want to let your prospective clients see it.

 

[bufferin]

whether she likes it or not, you you intend to use this in your resume, then it's better to go with the general opinion.

i'd like to butt in and say this is utter nonsense.

 

[ortega]

The student is the same.

The environment is different. Too much sh1t around.

You want to be among sh1t?

haha you ask anyone who was around in 2004
same person, different thinking (more open, i think/hope)

are you offended by my statement?
there was no ill intent, you know
just a general view that i noticed the change in your posts

 

[narloke]

To the TS, allow me to make some comments

#1

Frankly I prefer your image to those "technically and politically correct" images that one sees in this subforum. I find those images that your critics like to be absolutely boring and "soul-less". This image has the same distortion as "Shower accident" (actually SA has more distortion). But everybody loves that image. Why not this? I have my opinion on why they like SA, but not this one. Give a thought on this and make your own conclusions.

#2

You do not have to seriously take into account the opinions that were in CS (Of course this include mine!). In my opinion, much of what were said were nothing but regurgitation of vomitus from those of the same feathers. Listen to all, but BE SELECTIVE about what were said. To be unselective is to show one to be a fool. There are just too many "those who know not they know not, but pretend to know a lot, and then confuse others who really know not with their know-nots".

Frankly, in trying to have your own voice, you should be worried if many like your images.

BE SELECTIVE! BE HIGHLY SELECTIVE!

I laugh at what were offered as "critiques". What a load of bull! There are people who think they are trying to "educate" others (but I know of one who also made very acid remarks here who spoke against another member when that member talk about "educating" younger members). I will not question their motives. But you think ANY CS member has what it takes to "educate" another?

Anyone can offer their opinion on an image. But anyone can educate another?

#3

I assume you are a relative "newbie". Actually, in "studio" work, I think you already know more than me! But let me say something about "learning".

The traditional way is "to know the basics" - what some people also paraphrased as "learn to walk before one learns to run". This is a valid approach to learning photography ( and other things such as kung-fu!)

However, there are other approaches to learning. One such approach is to "run before walking". Impossible? Well from the perspective of using the human baby as an example, it is impossible. But why not chose the foal as an example? Anyway, we are digressing.

It is the true ignoramuses who insist that one must "learn to walk before one runs". Let me assure you that there are teachers (not half-baked photographers in CS) which did just the opposite! Teaching the students to learn to express right from the beginning, and only offering technical assistance when such technical issues are required. Meaning, learn to swim when you are in the water. No need to learn the basics of water dynamics and muscle kinesiology before you jump into the pool.

I will warn you that if you are not selective about whom you take advice from, you will make images like everybody else. Unless you are one very special individual, you WILL make images like everybody else - technically and politically correct. You will be welcomed into their community because you make images like them. In other words, you have become a clone.

Do not believe me? Just look at the images in this subforum.

#4

You mentioned that you have different opinions of depicting ideas. This is great! This is excellent! Do not lose this at any cost even if this means gettiing ridiculed from a thousand quarters!

But of course, no image is perfect. And you will always find faults with any image.

The important thing is that YOU should like your image. Be your own most severe ctitic. Look intently at your image again and again. At different times of the day. When you are tired. When you are depressed. When you are happy etc. See how your emotion and your mind react to the image. Make your images from your heart. Use only your mind when analysing your image.

Obviously, I am not interested in those and their images who insist on total control -meaning the mind comes into play at full force at the time of making the image. (well there are exceptions to this - but the exceptions are not in CS - these exceptions are people who are true artists, with a strong ability to write great stories photographically).

With exceptions, most of these images (made with the mind at full and total control) are sterile. Make them if you wish to make images like these.

Thank you, brother Student, you have the similar understanding about photography, and i am happy to c that. Being young, why should we put all the steel bars around ourselves to prison the freewill of different ideas? ;p Hope you can find your own way of delivering your own creative messages. Cheers

 

[narloke]

The "bro" is a she :sweat:

As i said, i've never participated in the forum so much, so i don't even know Zemotion is a she..... Sorry about that....:embrass:

 

[ortega]

As i said, i've never participated in the forum so much, so i don't even know Zemotion is a she..... Sorry about that....:embrass:

and brother "student" is not young anymore, at least in age

 

[narloke]

quoted for truth.

Haha, i will define it more as a statement than a piece of truth since different ppl has there own understanding of truth. My truth may be lie to them;p

 

[Ballack]

i'd like to butt in and say this is utter nonsense.

when you start work, we'll see about that.

 

[narloke]

and brother "student" is not young anymore, at least in age

:dunno: revealing other ppl's age is not a good manner.;p Sorry for my unfamilarity about the ppl here, but from this thread we start to know each other, that's a good start, isn't it?:think:

 

[blazer_workz]

and brother "student" is not young anymore, at least in age

and we should address him as Dr.??

 

[ortega]

:dunno: revealing other ppl's age is not a good manner.;p Sorry for my unfamilarity about the ppl here, but from this thread we start to know each other, that's a good start, isn't it?:think:

it's common knowledge, i believe he even posted his photo b4.
handsome somemore
and yes it is "Dr. Student"

 

[narloke]

when you start work, we'll see about that.

I know the reality is " the client dominates since they are the paymasters" from my experience in graphic design industry. But as you want to pursue achievements in arts (i assume so), you can always persisit your own idea or style for yourself. Otherwise, you are not difference from Engineers or Lawyers who must follow the rules one by one at all times. If that is so, the government investment in creative industry will be a joke, isn't it?

 

[panzerpunk]

While its always good not to conform to some overbearing rules, some times using the rules as an excuse is a bad excuse!

 

[ortega]

you are an interesting one

an engineer who does freelance graphic design
one follows rules and the other breaks them

 

[Keepers]

The student is the same.

The environment is different. Too much sh1t around.

You want to be among sh1t?

Sorry for my observation:

The shlt of 2004 and the shlt of today are the same shlt...... and the shlt of 2010 will still be the same ....

 

[narloke]

you are an interesting one

an engineer who does freelance graphic design
one follows rules and the other breaks them

Well, the Engineer direction was some how forced by my parents who wanted me to be a professional, but i have to say it gives me some stable income though for most of the time i hate it.

The freelance designer job is really of my personal interest, I like to c my ideas could be precious for someone so i don't really care about the pay since i've already got a stable income:bsmilie: