That sounds like an excellent suggestion :thumbsup:
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That sounds like an excellent suggestion :thumbsup:
Sorry I really don't have the energy to flip through 5 pages of messages, but I don't understand why almost everyone's talking like it's the worst picture that's been posted here.
The styling isn't that horrid really. Some may like to complain about the pose and angle, actually I'm quite alright with both. I even think that this might be an interesting picture, if the lighting and processing were properly done. Right now the light on the face looks uneven, and thus giving it a dirty feel.
The only other problem may just be the crop off of the feet, and if I'd pick on the posing, maybe the model shouldn't have looked up so much, it's not very flattering for her features in this case. The overall direction of this shot is acceptable to me, the above comments are just my 2cents. Hope it's helpful.
The styling isn't that horrid really. Some may like to complain about the pose and angle, actually I'm quite alright with both. I even think that this might be an interesting picture, if the lighting and processing were properly done. Right now the light on the face looks uneven, and thus giving it a dirty feel.
The only other problem may just be the crop off of the feet, and if I'd pick on the posing, maybe the model shouldn't have looked up so much, it's not very flattering for her features in this case. The overall direction of this shot is acceptable to me, the above comments are just my 2cents. Hope it's helpful.
Del_CtrlnoAlt
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maybe u can also stop running away from the problem u started, u came in, shot a round at me, or perhaps u say about the DP gang... which u conveniently added another U, and then u are telling everyone else to be like you, let me see, which part should we learn?
stop deluding yourself... u shot something u shouldn't have shot... u came in, u insult, and u wanna go off with a parting message that you are saint? come on... admit your mistake.
and stop pulling gaozi into the pic, answer my question... what are you trying to prove? U are preaching all the don'ts and practising them at the same time... what irony?
Mistake? Listen... What is a mistake to you is not a mistake to me. You care about winning. I care about truth. Different mentality lah. But yah lah, you can just take it you won
Don't like that lah, Pete.Del_CtrlnoAlt
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Mistake? Listen... What is a mistake to you is not a mistake to me. You care about winning. I care about truth. Different mentality lah. But yah lah, you can just take it you won
truth? what truth have u made in your appearence here?
i expect an apology, not just telling me i won...
A bad photo is a bad photo. There is no need to molly coddle the photographer. If a photo is good, would it even evoke such a multitude of negative comments or feedback? The photo posted here is really bad and i am not surprised by the amount of critique it recieved. The audience has spoken more than enough. Learn to accept the fact that your photo sucks.
Eh, you stupid fiak! I already tell you I wasn't talking to you specifically. I always talk generally here unless I specify DP or whoever. If your english cannot make it, don't blame me. KNN CCB! Who the hell do you think you are to expect me to play along with you just to give you face?! If you really believe I have wronged you and that I am such a ******* then take your revenge loh. But I can tell you, if you try anything funny, I will attack back hard because I know i'm right and you wrong. Wanna play gangster? Bring it on boy! Apologise?! Oh by the way, GROW UP!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Del_CtrlnoAlt
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wtf? seriously thou, if u are not wrong, y jump? go read up what u had posted, and u being a gangster trying to shut me up isn't working here, and i am not trying to take revenge or something... If you are a man, then apologize for the mistake you have caused, u dun go shoot someone already then u treat like nothing happen. Get your facts right... Dun go KNNCCB here... u are losing your stand... childish...
eikin, I am intrigued by this short comment of yours.
Would you care to clarify, in your opinion, what constitute the elements of a critique?
We shall not go into what is an "excellent critique".
To the TS, allow me to make some comments
#1
Frankly I prefer your image to those "technically and politically correct" images that one sees in this subforum. I find those images that your critics like to be absolutely boring and "soul-less". This image has the same distortion as "Shower accident" (actually SA has more distortion). But everybody loves that image. Why not this? I have my opinion on why they like SA, but not this one. Give a thought on this and make your own conclusions.
#2
You do not have to seriously take into account the opinions that were in CS (Of course this include mine!). In my opinion, much of what were said were nothing but regurgitation of vomitus from those of the same feathers. Listen to all, but BE SELECTIVE about what were said. To be unselective is to show one to be a fool. There are just too many "those who know not they know not, but pretend to know a lot, and then confuse others who really know not with their know-nots".
Frankly, in trying to have your own voice, you should be worried if many like your images.
BE SELECTIVE! BE HIGHLY SELECTIVE!
I laugh at what were offered as "critiques". What a load of bull! There are people who think they are trying to "educate" others (but I know of one who also made very acid remarks here who spoke against another member when that member talk about "educating" younger members). I will not question their motives. But you think ANY CS member has what it takes to "educate" another?
Anyone can offer their opinion on an image. But anyone can educate another?
#3
I assume you are a relative "newbie". Actually, in "studio" work, I think you already know more than me! But let me say something about "learning".
The traditional way is "to know the basics" - what some people also paraphrased as "learn to walk before one learns to run". This is a valid approach to learning photography ( and other things such as kung-fu!)
However, there are other approaches to learning. One such approach is to "run before walking". Impossible? Well from the perspective of using the human baby as an example, it is impossible. But why not chose the foal as an example? Anyway, we are digressing.
It is the true ignoramuses who insist that one must "learn to walk before one runs". Let me assure you that there are teachers (not half-baked photographers in CS) which did just the opposite! Teaching the students to learn to express right from the beginning, and only offering technical assistance when such technical issues are required. Meaning, learn to swim when you are in the water. No need to learn the basics of water dynamics and muscle kinesiology before you jump into the pool.
I will warn you that if you are not selective about whom you take advice from, you will make images like everybody else. Unless you are one very special individual, you WILL make images like everybody else - technically and politically correct. You will be welcomed into their community because you make images like them. In other words, you have become a clone.
Do not believe me? Just look at the images in this subforum.
#4
You mentioned that you have different opinions of depicting ideas. This is great! This is excellent! Do not lose this at any cost even if this means gettiing ridiculed from a thousand quarters!
But of course, no image is perfect. And you will always find faults with any image.
The important thing is that YOU should like your image. Be your own most severe ctitic. Look intently at your image again and again. At different times of the day. When you are tired. When you are depressed. When you are happy etc. See how your emotion and your mind react to the image. Make your images from your heart. Use only your mind when analysing your image.
Obviously, I am not interested in those and their images who insist on total control -meaning the mind comes into play at full force at the time of making the image. (well there are exceptions to this - but the exceptions are not in CS - these exceptions are people who are true artists, with a strong ability to write great stories photographically).
With exceptions, most of these images (made with the mind at full and total control) are sterile. Make them if you wish to make images like these.
#1
Frankly I prefer your image to those "technically and politically correct" images that one sees in this subforum. I find those images that your critics like to be absolutely boring and "soul-less". This image has the same distortion as "Shower accident" (actually SA has more distortion). But everybody loves that image. Why not this? I have my opinion on why they like SA, but not this one. Give a thought on this and make your own conclusions.
#2
You do not have to seriously take into account the opinions that were in CS (Of course this include mine!). In my opinion, much of what were said were nothing but regurgitation of vomitus from those of the same feathers. Listen to all, but BE SELECTIVE about what were said. To be unselective is to show one to be a fool. There are just too many "those who know not they know not, but pretend to know a lot, and then confuse others who really know not with their know-nots".
Frankly, in trying to have your own voice, you should be worried if many like your images.
BE SELECTIVE! BE HIGHLY SELECTIVE!
I laugh at what were offered as "critiques". What a load of bull! There are people who think they are trying to "educate" others (but I know of one who also made very acid remarks here who spoke against another member when that member talk about "educating" younger members). I will not question their motives. But you think ANY CS member has what it takes to "educate" another?
Anyone can offer their opinion on an image. But anyone can educate another?
#3
I assume you are a relative "newbie". Actually, in "studio" work, I think you already know more than me! But let me say something about "learning".
The traditional way is "to know the basics" - what some people also paraphrased as "learn to walk before one learns to run". This is a valid approach to learning photography ( and other things such as kung-fu!)
However, there are other approaches to learning. One such approach is to "run before walking". Impossible? Well from the perspective of using the human baby as an example, it is impossible. But why not chose the foal as an example? Anyway, we are digressing.
It is the true ignoramuses who insist that one must "learn to walk before one runs". Let me assure you that there are teachers (not half-baked photographers in CS) which did just the opposite! Teaching the students to learn to express right from the beginning, and only offering technical assistance when such technical issues are required. Meaning, learn to swim when you are in the water. No need to learn the basics of water dynamics and muscle kinesiology before you jump into the pool.
I will warn you that if you are not selective about whom you take advice from, you will make images like everybody else. Unless you are one very special individual, you WILL make images like everybody else - technically and politically correct. You will be welcomed into their community because you make images like them. In other words, you have become a clone.
Do not believe me? Just look at the images in this subforum.
#4
You mentioned that you have different opinions of depicting ideas. This is great! This is excellent! Do not lose this at any cost even if this means gettiing ridiculed from a thousand quarters!
But of course, no image is perfect. And you will always find faults with any image.
The important thing is that YOU should like your image. Be your own most severe ctitic. Look intently at your image again and again. At different times of the day. When you are tired. When you are depressed. When you are happy etc. See how your emotion and your mind react to the image. Make your images from your heart. Use only your mind when analysing your image.
Obviously, I am not interested in those and their images who insist on total control -meaning the mind comes into play at full force at the time of making the image. (well there are exceptions to this - but the exceptions are not in CS - these exceptions are people who are true artists, with a strong ability to write great stories photographically).
With exceptions, most of these images (made with the mind at full and total control) are sterile. Make them if you wish to make images like these.
Del_CtrlnoAlt
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Student... i'm wondering, are you trying to do the reverse of DP, or are u trying to be funny... what ever u wrote contradict with the initial Student i saw... and the more i see about your post confirms that u are trying to be an 180 degree different view from DP.
Wow, just waked up and found out so many comments here within just 1 night? That really conflicts my rule of being low profile, but this kinda situation was not created by me right?;p
Sigh... Nv expect my post becom so hot which full of quarrels and fights. What i want to say is calm down, guys, it's only a post of pics! Why become so serious? I think the key reason why those "teachers" never stop is that " i've never admit my mistakes".
Well, i didn't and i won't in the future (except for the chopped feet;p )! To my understanding, photography is just a media to deliver artistic ideas (actually i am a full time engineer and a freelance designer, start playing with photography was somehow caused by my jobscope), whether you guys like it or not is all your choice, but i have the right not to answer or explain anything. It's just another style of photography that you don't accept and want to kill it since it doesn't following your regular rules.
As a engineer, i m sick of playing within squares, don't emphasize me on " technically, traditionally, or usually". Those r bull-shits to me.:nono:
Sigh... Nv expect my post becom so hot which full of quarrels and fights. What i want to say is calm down, guys, it's only a post of pics! Why become so serious? I think the key reason why those "teachers" never stop is that " i've never admit my mistakes".
Well, i didn't and i won't in the future (except for the chopped feet;p )! To my understanding, photography is just a media to deliver artistic ideas (actually i am a full time engineer and a freelance designer, start playing with photography was somehow caused by my jobscope), whether you guys like it or not is all your choice, but i have the right not to answer or explain anything. It's just another style of photography that you don't accept and want to kill it since it doesn't following your regular rules.
As a engineer, i m sick of playing within squares, don't emphasize me on " technically, traditionally, or usually". Those r bull-shits to me.:nono:
Be calm man, don't lose your gentle behaviours to those who are not worthy of it. To discuss moral issues with them is just like the old chinese says " play pianos to the bulls" (sorry for my bad translation)
Do not try to question motives. I am the same. I have never cared much for the type of critiques made in CS. These "critiques" are superficial and shallow. But they are getting out of hand, because of certain individuals who think it is cool to be crass.
Just look at what I wrote and see if they make sense. Tell me which is not sensible. DP is nothing to me. His images are banal. I am not the least bit interested in him.
Here I am giving advice to the TS. And I will not give advice which I do not believe in. You are of course free to disagree with me. But I do not make wild statements, even statements that appear to contradict DP.
Tell me if what I wrote are sensible. Tell me which is not sensible. If what I wrote makes sense, then you decide if DP and his clones make sense. There are many more things I can say. But it is not appropriate in this thread.
Del_CtrlnoAlt
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Actually, i should be apologetic to get u involve between a war... i dunno y suddenly so many people was not aiming the photo and was being very personal on other individual's post... this is funny...
and i'm still waiting for the apology from certain somebody who was trigger happy...
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