Wu Xiao Kang - A Dose of LIES

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

now it's sounding like the matrix... :bsmilie:

^5!!! :bsmilie:

 

[jOhO]

ahahahah zhun zhun!

anywayz... i am still disgusted about this hoax.. but hor.. this thread has been the hottest thread the whole day, but all we are doing (for now?) is just sit and talk....

i guess admittedly, i also won't be the one to action anything. i just feel that singaporean's (at least some) always shoots themselves in the foot putting us on the map for the wrong reasons...

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

ahahahah zhun zhun!

anywayz... i am still disgusted about this hoax.. but hor.. this thread has been the hottest thread the whole day, but all we are doing (for now?) is just sit and talk....

i guess admittedly, i also won't be the one to action anything. i just feel that singaporean's (at least some) always shoots themselves in the foot putting us on the map for the wrong reasons...

thats y we're thinking of doing up a petition, then go to major forums in sg to seek likeminded individuals to rally the same cause... well... just ban their exhibition!

 

[jOhO]

thats y we're thinking of doing up a petition, then go to major forums in sg to seek likeminded individuals to rally the same cause... well... just ban their exhibition!

yeah i guess that's the only real thing that can be done.

not that it is worth the tears and emotions of so many that were taken in.......

 

[kaychin]

From the news reports:
1) "Photographer Tay Kay Chin, 41, who selected the pieces to be shown in the exhibition despite being aware of the hoax"
2) "Festival director Shirlene Noordin, 38, who wrote an essay in the catalogue introducing the group, said she was 'really upset' to have been kept in the dark."

I would state that Tay and the collective duped the organizer.

Dear fstop,

I have considered sending you a private message regarding this but I don't want to be accused of threatening you in private.

let me state here without any reservation, that your statement that I duped the organizer is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. I have spoken to Shirlene, the person who I was supposed to have duped, and she will back me up on this.

I leave it to you to decide what you want to do after this. Let me also state here facts for those who are interested:

1. I am NOT the curator of MOP2007. I had a role in selecting the three bodies of works and that was done a few months ago. Just weeks before the event, the organizer wrote to say she ran out of fund, will have no money to pay me, and that I have the option to work for free or leave. I chose to leave. In my interview with ST Life!, I made it very clear to Adeline Chia this fact.

2. I did not participate in any of the production matters for MOP or adoseoflight, whether editing or writing, publicity.

3. I never once told Shirlene that it was real. In fact I was never asked. Adeline Chia asked me if I was prepared to go on the record to say that Wu Xiaokang is not real and I said yes. My recommendation for adoseoflight to be exhibited is very simply this (in an email to Shirlene):

"Check this one out.
http://www.adoseoflight.com/overdose/overdose.html

I like it very much."

4. I did not know of the petition and other matters until ST Life! called me. I thought it was awful and gave Robert and company a very very nasty scolding.

5. I encouraged them to come clean before it was too late.

6. I chose the works NOT because it was a good hoax. I chose it because I personally believe that the Xiaokang character IS possible, that IT IS possible for people to be obsessive compulsive, for people to imagine things, like imaginary enemies. For the record, two of my best friends have brothers who are schizo patients. I have had long conversations with them. I knew about my friends' brothers after I know of Wu Xiaokang but yes, it had helped me to be more patient in listening to them. For example, I learned that I can't force them to admit they are schizo, they always say they are not. I encouraged one of them to take his medicine (the only solution according to doctors), but when he refused, I can't do anything. An example of "weird" behavior - I bought him a CD player and helped him set up in his flat. A few days later, he had packed the CD back in the box. When asked, he said, "the air is very polluted, when I need to play, then I take it out again." My other friend's brother went around giving his bicycles to strangers because he believe that God sent him to save the world. So what can I tell them or how can I help them? I didn't relate all these stories to impress anyone here. I just want to tell you that they live in their own world which we need not necessarily understand or accept.

7. the fact that I selected the works does not mean that I agree with the way it was shown. If I had the chance to do the MOP show for adoseoflight, I will find ways to do it properly. Since I didn't get the chance, this is purely academic.

8. I am not here to protect myself and shift the blames to Robert and company. I know them personally and like them. Unfortunately, they got carried away with what was potentially a good project (art or whatever I don't know) and bungled it. Now, they have to pay the price. I hope they recover from this and learn something useful.

Hope this clarifies some of the issues.

As you can see in my previous postings, I don't hide or run. You can always reach me at kaychin@eastpix.com

Thanks.

 

[hASHbrown_kopitiam]

ahahahah zhun zhun!

anywayz... i am still disgusted about this hoax.. but hor.. this thread has been the hottest thread the whole day, but all we are doing (for now?) is just sit and talk....

i guess admittedly, i also won't be the one to action anything. i just feel that singaporean's (at least some) always shoots themselves in the foot putting us on the map for the wrong reasons...

:think: i think in SG it's illegal to stage a protest... but i believe there r individuals out there who will take actions, inform others n highlight in e papers bout such things...

 

[jOhO]

:think: i think in SG it's illegal to stage a protest... but i believe there r individuals out there who will take actions, inform others n highlight in e papers bout such things...

pls qualify ur statement.

i don't see anywhere that i've stated anything like that...

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

Thanks Kaychin for your detailed response.

But with due respect, do you think you have the capacity to stop this exhibition? Rectify the situation and probably get Robert and gang to explain their cause instead of changing their 'storyline' without any apologies and such.

One need to be responsible for the deeds they had done. And i do applaud you for being forthcoming to explain your stand.

Last but not least... i do hope they really come clean with the damages they had caused...

 

[hASHbrown_kopitiam]

pls qualify ur statement.

i don't see anywhere that i've stated anything like that...

paiseh... cuz u mentioned no action taken... so 1st action tat comes to my mind is to protest...

 

[kaychin]

Thanks Kaychin for your detailed response.

But with due respect, do you think you have the capacity to stop this exhibition? Rectify the situation and probably get Robert and gang to explain their cause instead of changing their 'storyline' without any apologies and such.

One need to be responsible for the deeds they had done. And i do applaud you for being forthcoming to explain your stand.

Last but not least... i do hope they really come clean with the damages they had caused...

In the capacity as a friend, (I can't do it in anyway now since I have ZERO involvement with MOP) I have encouraged them to come clean. I don't think they should spend the rest of their lives telling one lie after another. Personally, I know they are distressed by this and want to right the wrongs. But I am not sure if they can handle all these in one go. (yes, they are getting blasted left right centre) I have also brought up the possibility of withdrawing from MOP (again as a friend) but I understand that it was not possible. The final choice is theirs, not mine.

 

[jOhO]

paiseh... cuz u mentioned no action taken... so 1st action tat comes to my mind is to protest...

oh ok.. no worries..

well they've sure ruffled alot of feathers. i have found NO ONE (from talking about it here, and on msn with other friends) that can agree with their cause.

i dun usually have time for "kopitiam" topics but this one got my attention fully and totally. it's bad lor.

 

[nicholas68]

I wonder if Kay Chin, the show's curator is reading this thread (he is on CS). Would be interesting to hear his side of the story.

and he happened to be teaching in NTU..

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

In the capacity as a friend, (I can't do it in anyway now since I have ZERO involvement with MOP) I have encouraged them to come clean. I don't think they should spend the rest of their lives telling one lie after another. Personally, I know they are distressed by this and want to right the wrongs. But I am not sure if they can handle all these in one go. (yes, they are getting blasted left right centre) I have also brought up the possibility of withdrawing from MOP (again as a friend) but I understand that it was not possible. The final choice is theirs, not mine.

Well then. Thanks for your participation in this thread.

And well, the newspaper report is rather misleading... probably you could get them to rectify the issue.

 

[jOhO]

In the capacity as a friend, (I can't do it in anyway now since I have ZERO involvement with MOP) I have encouraged them to come clean. I don't think they should spend the rest of their lives telling one lie after another. Personally, I know they are distressed by this and want to right the wrongs. But I am not sure if they can handle all these in one go. (yes, they are getting blasted left right centre) I have also brought up the possibility of withdrawing from MOP (again as a friend) but I understand that it was not possible. The final choice is theirs, not mine.

let's put it this way.. i will forever remember thier names.

perhaps a little malicious, and unforgiving, but well some things are like that aren't they?

i might not wish for anything detrimental to happen to them, but these names will always remind me of what they did even if out of good intention (most of us doubt it tho).

and er, not targetting u hor, i was just thinking, so what if they withdraw and issue public apology or whatever.. along that lines.

 

[kaychin]

Well then. Thanks for your participation in this thread.

And well, the newspaper report is rather misleading... probably you could get them to rectify the issue.

I am not the powerful either.

 

[nicholas68]

If you are reading this, pls take photo down..

You just downgrade yourself...

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

nicholas,

Kaychin is already here & replying...

Lets wait for the 3 photographers to come in.

 

[espion]

Law student Tey Kian Siang, 24, said: 'I could see his suffering in the pictures. Now that I know he's fake, it seems quite pointless and distasteful. Don't they have anything better to do?'

And that is one of the reasons why I always insist that a picture must be complete in and of itself, and to be viewed and assessed for whatever merit, or none, on its own. The moment it needs something exogenous then it is "pointless".

Or more precisely, then the picture is not what is seen, but rather that you created in your own mind's eye. This however is not to say the provocation of a private and personal interaction and interpretation of a photograph in the context of whatever exogenous data - faked or otherwise - is not a valid use of a photograph. It is, for advertisement is one example of its effective use.

But then it is not merely photography anymore. And of course life is larger than photography too.

 

[eikin]

3. I never once told Shirlene that it was real. In fact I was never asked. Adeline Chia asked me if I was prepared to go on the record to say that Wu Xiaokang is not real and I said yes. My recommendation for adoseoflight to be exhibited is very simply this (in an email to Shirlene):

"Check this one out.
http://www.adoseoflight.com/overdose/overdose.html

I like it very much."

the words in the newspapers might then be rather misleading

''Photographer Tay Kay Chin, 41, who selected the pieces to be shown in the exhibition despite being aware of the hoax, said: 'It is a quiet mourning for someone, done tastefully. It was well put together and thought out.' '' (yesterday's)

''Festival director Shirlene Noordin, 38, who wrote an essay in the catalogue introducing the group, said she was 'really upset' to have been kept in the dark.'' (today's)

it suggests that you have recommended the works to be shown although you knew the story was a hoax. the director said she was kept in the dark, it's not difficult to make an assumption that the truth was deliberately kept in the dark since the director is supposed to be in control of the entire show. you might want to get the newspaper to clarify the part about you making the selection despite being aware of the hoax.

btw the link isn't working.

 

[eikin]

And that is one of the reasons why I always insist that a picture must be complete in and of itself, and to be viewed and assessed for whatever merit, or none, on its own. The moment it needs something exogenous then it is "pointless".

Or more precisely, then the picture is not what is seen, but rather that you created in your own mind's eye. This however is not to say the provocation of a private and personal interaction and interpretation of a photograph in the context of whatever exogenous data - faked or otherwise - is not a valid use of a photograph. It is, for advertisement is one example of its effective use.

But then it is not merely photography anymore. And of course life is larger than photography too.

i can't link this to this incident.