why are there so many hostile replies here in the forum?

[Michael Ang]

hi,

i posteded the below under my own thread in the Canon forum , hopefully a founding member can take note of what i said and add to what i have commented and clearly discuss the main objective of this club...

note that i have NO intention to take a flame here.. but i think this must be said for the well being and continuity of this club going forward....

personally i am not asking to be spoonfed.. doubt anybody who post a query here is asking for that too...

we just need some doubts cleared...

my point is that if anyone don't want to help other members out, then just don't do so...

there is no need to tell people off and say why dun we read etc etc....

if we post the question here, we have our reasonss why we do so...

lately, i have noticed a lot of rather hostile and unfriendly post that are directed at newbies and supposely dumb questions... this is not nice...

i have been a member in this forum almost since it was first founded...

since joining , i have shared many information and also learned much for this forum... i dun see why this is wrong

and i have met a few ex member who left because they found this place getting swamped with such unfriendliness and unhelpfulness... any one who leave also took with them their offer to share their knowledge and it's a lost for this club

the issue is this, going forward is this club forum only going to be aimed at pros or expert, then if so, probably 90% of the members should then leave...

maybe one of the founding members here could let us know if this is the ultimate objective of this club... to serve only the knowledgable and experts....

frankly, i dun think these are the intentions of the original founding members of this club...

personally, i think this club was found to gather a community of similarily minded individuals shareing a common passion for photography whehter as a pro, expert, or newbie... to share knowledge and information cum nice pictures and how to achieve them ...

so having said so, pls do keep that in mind before posting any other mean and unnecessary hostility here.. thank you.

 

[chelsea]

I`m not sure what kinda of questions will receive hostile feedback as mentioned by you. But, IMHO, i believe that if the newbie or any guys out there asked for comments on the photo taken, he/she shld be prepare for harsh comments. What's the point of giving those 'excellent', 'nice shot', good effort kinda of comments?? it's not going to improve your pics!

Are these kinda of comments part of the hostile remarks mentioned by you?

BTW, if you think this reply already fall into your category of hostile reply, i guess i shld just keep my mouth shut to make everyone happy!

No hard feeling.. just my 2 cents.

 

[AReality]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

UpZ.. :rbounce:

 

[AReality]

chelsea : I think wat he meant are not those remarks related to comments of a photo. He meant those hostile remarks directed at "newbie" qns...

 

[Bluestrike]

chelsea : I think wat he meant are not those remarks related to comments of a photo. He meant those hostile remarks directed at "newbie" qns...

oh.. this remind me of something that I did .... was I hostile????
hmmm....

 

[Caspere]

your observation is not new, and it will not stop.

I have been around before WWW, ever since the usenet days these problems of so-called "hostility" exist from one medium to another. Was then, is now, will be into the future.

Looks like the mature thing is to "accept" that everybody (named or un-named) is/are full of differring opinions on how/what things are done, how/what questions/answers to be asked/answered. Each can choose to agree/disagree/trash each other over even the most simple of things. Everybody wants to have a last word on every damn thing.

But that said, it is also because of these great diversity that make it "colorful", just like real-life. I do not condone unkindness, but I guess it is really a "growing up" process for every individual to discover not only what they are willing to accept, but also whether they choose to stay or leave.

Personally, I think staying/contributing is more positive. Take it in it stride that there will always be nasties around and not be allow our lives be decided by what they do. The choice must always rest with us, not them.

<off the box>

cheers

 

[SniperD]

Mind if I chip in a little?

I guess a little tactfulness is missing in today's society. and especially when they have gained the knowledge which other's are trying to gain, makes them more conceited.

In my view, if you have nothing to say, dun say it and don't be scornful or laugh at other peeple's ignorance. The fact is that we were all newbies before but sad thing is that we always forget that fact.

Offer genuine help rather than just adding a snide comment here and then will make you a better approachable person than one whom all will avoid.

Cheerz!

 

[Astin]

Hi Michael, there are 5k members here, so naturally you would find some are friendly and some are hostile. I am 1 of the friendly type, because I want you to join my photoshoot in future, haha. :cheers:

Keep smiling please. A smile a day will keep your mother-in-law away.

 

[scanner]

Hi Michael, there are 5k members here, so naturally you would find some are friendly and some are hostile. I am 1 of the friendly type, because I want you to join my photoshoot in future, haha. :cheers:

Keep smiling please. A smile a day will keep your mother-in-law away.

Hahaha.......selling your service again. :complain:
Anyway, you can learn from Allan and his gang, they can give you good advise on how to take good protrait pic.

 

[Larry]

i'm not a founding member, but here's my observations as a, well... longstanding CSer. the objective of CS is to share knowledge of photography in general, and promote interaction among fellow members and enthusiasts (both online and offline). i don't think there is any segregation amopng newbies and "experts", and as to the hostile responses in question, let's bear in mind that this is ultimately the Internet, and there's actually very little we can do to police or even regulate such. e.g. even country laws can't dictate if its citizens are rude - you can be as rude or obnoxious as you wanna be, but unless there's actually laws broken, there's little that can be done officially.

however, i think i can shed a little light on the "hostile replies". if you go thru any examples you might come across, you'd find that it usually occurs to the same "newbies", who usually post the same inane questions, which you'll find doesn't really pertain to photography itself, but the equipment, etc. so i can understand if it gets on some folks' nerves.

on another note, i also think you'll find that newbies with genuine questions and problems usually get a lot of quick and detailed help. i've seen it before many times, both from experienced photographers and moderators, and also from other newbies who are experiencing the same problems and sharing their findings.

my few observations and 2 cents worth.

 

[Zookeeper]

on another note, i also think you'll find that newbies with genuine questions and problems usually get a lot of quick and detailed help. i've seen it before many times, both from experienced photographers and moderators, and also from other newbies who are experiencing the same problems and sharing their findings.

Yes, I'll definitely second that. I have gotten a lot of help from kind Clubsnappers. In fact, all my basic knowledge abt photography were picked up from this forum.

 

[amosop77]

ah,

me newbie here. i think i may not have the influence to make a point here but i think i will juz bring out something for all. I think what is being mentioned above as to there should not be a line drawn between newbies and pros is very true. i am not saying this because i am a newbie. Put yrself in the shoes of a newbie for those pros and members here. if you are new here, what would you want from the club? friendly people to make u want to stay in the club or hostile and unfriendly people that will scare you away? i think you should have a ans of yr own. whatever ans that you choose, there is no rite or wrong. Only that the ans brings about the popularity of the forum here and the reputation of it. Be friendly. and you will have friendly people coming back to you.. (may not be true at times. haha!)

Oh, btw, how do i post pics in the forum. dun seem to be able to do that.. Can anyone help me out here? :bsmilie:

 

[Bluestrike]

ah,

Oh, btw, how do i post pics in the forum. dun seem to be able to do that.. Can anyone help me out here? :bsmilie:

click the IMG button
[/IMG]http://bluestrike.clubsnap.org/gallery/albums/Myself/untitled.jpg
then click it again to close it.

See example... and paste the URL if you dunno which button is that!
but make sure your site allow direct linking... if not look for one!

 

[megaweb]

ah,

Oh, btw, how do i post pics in the forum. dun seem to be able to do that.. Can anyone help me out here? :bsmilie:

1. Upload your images to a website
2. Link it by the code as shown :

where untitled.jpg is the image file

 

[jon33]

clubsnap isn't what it used to be.

 

[chngpe01]

your observation is not new, and it will not stop.

I have been around before WWW, ever since the usenet days these problems of so-called "hostility" exist from one medium to another. Was then, is now, will be into the future.

Looks like the mature thing is to "accept" that everybody (named or un-named) is/are full of differring opinions on how/what things are done, how/what questions/answers to be asked/answered. Each can choose to agree/disagree/trash each other over even the most simple of things. Everybody wants to have a last word on every damn thing.

But that said, it is also because of these great diversity that make it "colorful", just like real-life. I do not condone unkindness, but I guess it is really a "growing up" process for every individual to discover not only what they are willing to accept, but also whether they choose to stay or leave.

Personally, I think staying/contributing is more positive. Take it in it stride that there will always be nasties around and not be allow our lives be decided by what they do. The choice must always rest with us, not them.

<off the box>

cheers

Can't agree more with Caspere, especially the last paragraph. It is up to us make this forum great or otherwise.

I was a total blur newbie exactly one year ago, and I have learnt alot here. Just avoid those nasties and "How Liangs", cause there are also many other nice ppl, here who will help. Sometimes, it also helps to search for a topic before asking - it works both ways

I know I cannot make a difference here, but in my little ways I am staying and contributing.

Yeap, my thanks to Clubsnap for helping me progress.

Cheers

 

[iamasaint]

Hi all,

perhaps the moderator can do something abt it? I mean we can't just put it down to it being human nature and how we can't avoid nasty guys. These people can be put in their place. We have to take a stand and boot these guys out.

I'm speaking from experience from the Worldwide Minolta Forum. People who are nasty with their remarks get "friendly" advise that they are have gone overboard. If they persist, they are booted out. Simple

Frankly, we dun need these guys ard. This also means our moderators have to work harder.

 

[Darren]

Hi all,

perhaps the moderator can do something abt it? I mean we can't just put it down to it being human nature and how we can't avoid nasty guys. These people can be put in their place. We have to take a stand and boot these guys out.

I'm speaking from experience from the Worldwide Minolta Forum. People who are nasty with their remarks get "friendly" advise that they are have gone overboard. If they persist, they are booted out. Simple

Frankly, we dun need these guys ard. This also means our moderators have to work harder.

We do intervene where necessary and we will ban accounts or IPs if absolutely required.

Rest assured that the moderators are doing the needed when required.

 

[Goldmember]

some people are born to be this way, it can't be help. some of the moderators cross the line as well, so nobody is fully protected.

 

[denizenx]

chill out dudes... why be flustered over comments by ppl u don't really know?
and u're not the first to complain iirc... just be nice to others on your own...