WHATS NEXT FOR M43, after Olympus, what future is left?
That is the 50-200 (100-400) or 50-250 (100-500)
Has been in the Road Map for some time.
If it is a F2.8 lenses, then it will be interesting as I don't think there is any 100-400mm F2.8 lenses (35mm equivalent) in the market.
Being a Pro Lenses (which the white color seems to indicate), should be able to pair with a 1.4xTC for 140mm to 560mm F4
or even with the 2xTC for 200-800 F5.6. Power Siah.
BUT, knowing OM System, it is likely that they will price the lenses at a premium price. Need to wait for price to trickle down.
Hopefully will materialize after the OM-3 settle down
Has been in the Road Map for some time.
If it is a F2.8 lenses, then it will be interesting as I don't think there is any 100-400mm F2.8 lenses (35mm equivalent) in the market.
Being a Pro Lenses (which the white color seems to indicate), should be able to pair with a 1.4xTC for 140mm to 560mm F4
or even with the 2xTC for 200-800 F5.6. Power Siah.
BUT, knowing OM System, it is likely that they will price the lenses at a premium price. Need to wait for price to trickle down.
Hopefully will materialize after the OM-3 settle down
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• OMDS OM3 size Dimensions, Approx. 139.3mm(W) x 88.9mm(H) x 45.8mm(D) almost as big but sensor so small
Film era OM3 Dimensions 136 × 84 × 50 mm (could take 24mm x 36mm negatives)
• Name plate brand : OM System (Not Olympus)
• Sensor size of OMDS OM3 : Obsolete MFT
In view of just these 3 parameters, the OMDS OM3 can throw in the rubbish bin. Worthless overpriced junk.
Film era OM3 Dimensions 136 × 84 × 50 mm (could take 24mm x 36mm negatives)
• Name plate brand : OM System (Not Olympus)
• Sensor size of OMDS OM3 : Obsolete MFT
In view of just these 3 parameters, the OMDS OM3 can throw in the rubbish bin. Worthless overpriced junk.
A) Dimensions
The X100vi is 128 x 75 x 55 mm/
The OM-3 is only longer by 9mm, higher by 11mm but thinner by 10mm and lighter than the x100vi by 30g.
BUT the OM-3 battery life is 590 shots vs the 100vi 450 shots (31% more battery life).
OMDS could have made the OM-3 smaller by reducing the battery life but I guess most users would prefer a longer battery life.
Same for Full Frame cameras. Do you know any Full Frame camera about the size of the OM-3 with the same battery life and IBIS 6.5.
Battery Life and IBIS usually take up the most space in a camera.
Anyway, I also do not it is a good idea to have a camera as small as some of the older M43 cameras as generally a lightly larger grip is nicer to hold.
For my A7CR, the additional smallrig cage is almost permanently attached as additional grip.
B) Nameplate
What value or benefit does it offer???? My friend just complained that Canon EOS-M became obsolete and another friend complaied Nikon V series mirrorless cameras all became obsolete even before M43!
C) Sensor size?
What benefits does it offer? As of these 2 years, all my shots are for safekeeping and social media.. I prefer to have a small sensor for smaller file size and fastor read out speed to reduce jello effects and faster FPS, especially when taking wild life.
If based on the 3 points you throw the OM-3 in the rubbish bin, I think you should throw your brain into the rubbish bin too! LOL
The X100vi is 128 x 75 x 55 mm/
The OM-3 is only longer by 9mm, higher by 11mm but thinner by 10mm and lighter than the x100vi by 30g.
BUT the OM-3 battery life is 590 shots vs the 100vi 450 shots (31% more battery life).
OMDS could have made the OM-3 smaller by reducing the battery life but I guess most users would prefer a longer battery life.
Same for Full Frame cameras. Do you know any Full Frame camera about the size of the OM-3 with the same battery life and IBIS 6.5.
Battery Life and IBIS usually take up the most space in a camera.
Anyway, I also do not it is a good idea to have a camera as small as some of the older M43 cameras as generally a lightly larger grip is nicer to hold.
For my A7CR, the additional smallrig cage is almost permanently attached as additional grip.
B) Nameplate
What value or benefit does it offer???? My friend just complained that Canon EOS-M became obsolete and another friend complaied Nikon V series mirrorless cameras all became obsolete even before M43!
C) Sensor size?
What benefits does it offer? As of these 2 years, all my shots are for safekeeping and social media.. I prefer to have a small sensor for smaller file size and fastor read out speed to reduce jello effects and faster FPS, especially when taking wild life.
If based on the 3 points you throw the OM-3 in the rubbish bin, I think you should throw your brain into the rubbish bin too! LOL
When OM first announce the 150-600, it was quite exciting as many users are waiting for a budget version of the 150-400 with Full Sync IS, as earlier, the OM 100-400 mk1 can't really make it beyond beginners in birding. BUT many users were put off when all OM did is change the mount and add the Sync IS to the Sigma lenses without trimming off the lenses diameter. Everyone knows small sensors like M43 only use the center portion of a FF lenses (just like putting a FF camera in APS-C mode) so OM could have asked Sigma to downsize the lenses elements when adapting for M43 use.
If OM is to asked Sigma to provide a M43 version of the 300-600 F4, I really hope they trip down the size as well to make it attractive.
My other thoughts so far is that currently my 150-400 gives me a focal length equivalent of 300-800 which is ideal for birding for me.
Sometimes with smaller birds or slightly further distance, I do flip the built in 1.25x TC.
For the 300-600 F4, it gives 600-1200 focal length. The only issue is 600mm as the minimum is a little too restrictive for me as sometimes there are nearer or bigger birds or animals. That is the reason why I hesitate to use the Olympus 300mm as it is early to crop in but not possible to zoom out.
If OM is to asked Sigma to provide a M43 version of the 300-600 F4, I really hope they trip down the size as well to make it attractive.
My other thoughts so far is that currently my 150-400 gives me a focal length equivalent of 300-800 which is ideal for birding for me.
Sometimes with smaller birds or slightly further distance, I do flip the built in 1.25x TC.
For the 300-600 F4, it gives 600-1200 focal length. The only issue is 600mm as the minimum is a little too restrictive for me as sometimes there are nearer or bigger birds or animals. That is the reason why I hesitate to use the Olympus 300mm as it is early to crop in but not possible to zoom out.
I subscribe to a few OM users group and look at all the happy users receiving their OM-3 last night.
I love the OM-3 too and wanted it to replace the Sony A7CR, my smaller Sony for Street & Travel.
Don't get me wrong, I still love Full Frame Sony, only thing is that the A7CR, although smaller, do
not have enough small fast primes for me to keep it small, so I am going to upgrade to the A7RV or A7V in the near future.
The OM-3 may not be suitable for everyone but it has all the things I want for a small compact setup with interchangeable lenses for me to do a wide variety of photos eg. Light Composite for Light Trails, Pair with the tiny 60mm macro for macro shots, small fast primes for street, built in ND for waterfalls, built in GND for landscapes, fast dial for quite black/white or film grain photos for quite social media shots without going to photoshop etc etc.
The closest alternative is probably the Fujifilm x100vi, which is a fixed lenses camera but I prefer my compact setup to be slight more flexible since I already have some of the tiny M43 lenses. 17mm F1.8, 60mm Macro, Laowa 6mm etc.
I love the OM-3 too and wanted it to replace the Sony A7CR, my smaller Sony for Street & Travel.
Don't get me wrong, I still love Full Frame Sony, only thing is that the A7CR, although smaller, do
not have enough small fast primes for me to keep it small, so I am going to upgrade to the A7RV or A7V in the near future.
The OM-3 may not be suitable for everyone but it has all the things I want for a small compact setup with interchangeable lenses for me to do a wide variety of photos eg. Light Composite for Light Trails, Pair with the tiny 60mm macro for macro shots, small fast primes for street, built in ND for waterfalls, built in GND for landscapes, fast dial for quite black/white or film grain photos for quite social media shots without going to photoshop etc etc.
The closest alternative is probably the Fujifilm x100vi, which is a fixed lenses camera but I prefer my compact setup to be slight more flexible since I already have some of the tiny M43 lenses. 17mm F1.8, 60mm Macro, Laowa 6mm etc.
JW73
Senior Member
Looking at the recent launch of FF Sony 400-800mm F8 and it's pricing. I am worried for the OM system m43- 150-600mmf6.3. The weight and size and new launched price difference is not much different between the 2 and the Sony design is a internal zoom which in the eyes of consumers, it is more value-added feature!
And for the 400-800mm when matched with a Apsc body or when the FF body is in DX mode , it will match the equivalent focal length of the om 150-600mm.
All the best to OM system. Need to up the game in the wildlife area to stay competitive.
And for the 400-800mm when matched with a Apsc body or when the FF body is in DX mode , it will match the equivalent focal length of the om 150-600mm.
All the best to OM system. Need to up the game in the wildlife area to stay competitive.
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one eye jack
Senior Member
Interesting lens with good features, dual focusing motors. Notice he used A1 and not crop sensor as it will be unbalanced in a way.
As Steve said photography is a compromise,ultimately how useful it is for full frame or apsc remains to be seen. I doubt it will pose a threat to m43. Still omds must improve nevertheless.
As Steve said photography is a compromise,ultimately how useful it is for full frame or apsc remains to be seen. I doubt it will pose a threat to m43. Still omds must improve nevertheless.
OM system OM-3 Price SGD$2969 || Sony A7C Price SGD$2099 || Sony A7C mk2 SGS $2884
Sony A7C has 4 times bigger sensor size. The number of native Sony lenses and 3rd party lenses for E mount far exceed OM-3.
OM System OM-3 is 139 x 89 x 46mm. Sony A7C is 124 x 71 x 60mm. OM-3 is slightly larger. NEW buyers world wide will decide.
Sony A7C has 4 times bigger sensor size. The number of native Sony lenses and 3rd party lenses for E mount far exceed OM-3.
OM System OM-3 is 139 x 89 x 46mm. Sony A7C is 124 x 71 x 60mm. OM-3 is slightly larger. NEW buyers world wide will decide.
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Full Frame manufacturers tried to provide what M43 can provide for Long Telephoto range of 800mm.
Canon 200-800 is F6.3 to F9.
Sony 200-800 is F6.3 to F8.
OM System 150-400 proves a FF Focal range of 300-800 @ Constant Aperture F4.5.
That is 2 F-stops of more than Canon or Sony (4 times the amt of light).
If you have been doing birding, especially in Tropical Countries with lots of trees and the birds are in a shade, we need to open aperture to the widest, with high shutter speed and the highest ISO with minimal noise. It is quite difficult to work with F8 or F9 at 800mm unless you are in bright sunlight.
Canon 200-800 is F6.3 to F9.
Sony 200-800 is F6.3 to F8.
OM System 150-400 proves a FF Focal range of 300-800 @ Constant Aperture F4.5.
That is 2 F-stops of more than Canon or Sony (4 times the amt of light).
If you have been doing birding, especially in Tropical Countries with lots of trees and the birds are in a shade, we need to open aperture to the widest, with high shutter speed and the highest ISO with minimal noise. It is quite difficult to work with F8 or F9 at 800mm unless you are in bright sunlight.
With the advancement of hardware and software, sensor size is no longer as relevant as few years ago.
I just finished a Photographic trip in China with a group of photographers and 2 of them uses the Vivo 200 Pro.
Their photos, when shared on social media platforms with the whole group via whatsapp and facebook can blow your socks off.
If you are looking at M43 from a Sensor size perspective, the OM-3 is not for you.
If you are the several photographers who were stunned by the ease of capturing a star trail with the Light Composite feature for example, you may be thrilled to get the OM-3, Two of us in the group uses Olympus cameras and are the only ones who managed to capture a decent Star Trail on one of the nights in a very tricky light situation. I was also the only one who captured lots of good sunset and sunrise landscape photos without the hassle of adjusting with a long GND filter with my OM-1 built in GND filter which the OM-3 also has.
Yes, Sony do have loads of lenses now, BUT look at the size and weight of the Sony 1.4 primes compared to M43 F1.4 primes.
THey are actually quite huge and unbalanced on my Sony A7CR. I am actually now going to sell my A7CR (same size as the A7C series) to get back the A7Rv or A7V for a bigger size body for a better grip and balance.
And of course, also contemplating to get the OM-3 to replace my A7CR as a more compact casual travel camera
I just finished a Photographic trip in China with a group of photographers and 2 of them uses the Vivo 200 Pro.
Their photos, when shared on social media platforms with the whole group via whatsapp and facebook can blow your socks off.
If you are looking at M43 from a Sensor size perspective, the OM-3 is not for you.
If you are the several photographers who were stunned by the ease of capturing a star trail with the Light Composite feature for example, you may be thrilled to get the OM-3, Two of us in the group uses Olympus cameras and are the only ones who managed to capture a decent Star Trail on one of the nights in a very tricky light situation. I was also the only one who captured lots of good sunset and sunrise landscape photos without the hassle of adjusting with a long GND filter with my OM-1 built in GND filter which the OM-3 also has.
Yes, Sony do have loads of lenses now, BUT look at the size and weight of the Sony 1.4 primes compared to M43 F1.4 primes.
THey are actually quite huge and unbalanced on my Sony A7CR. I am actually now going to sell my A7CR (same size as the A7C series) to get back the A7Rv or A7V for a bigger size body for a better grip and balance.
And of course, also contemplating to get the OM-3 to replace my A7CR as a more compact casual travel camera
JW73
Senior Member
OM 150-400mmF4.5 w x1.25 Pro (SGD$10-12K) is way above those "budget" mega zoom like sony 400-800f8 or canon 200-800mmf9.
The comparable one will be OM 150-600mmf.63.
In USA, this OM 150-600mm has dropped price to SGD$2K+ which is reasonable for such type of zoom.
See, I told you. Full frame is 17 times more popular than MFT.
Article on most popular sensor format
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From five options, full-frame took an incredible 82% of the entire vote, that's 714 out of 872 votes. That's over twelve times more than APS-C, the second most popular choice. Put simply, the result was a landslide.
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Article on most popular sensor format
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From five options, full-frame took an incredible 82% of the entire vote, that's 714 out of 872 votes. That's over twelve times more than APS-C, the second most popular choice. Put simply, the result was a landslide.
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Why only lift out only one small portion of the whole article?
"Look at what the author says in summary:
I'd probably pick full-frame camera if I could only ever use one format again. No single format is best, however, just better for specific needs and budgets. Just because full-frame is the popular choice, it doesn't mean it's the best format for you."
It really depends on what and how you shoot and choose the most suitable camera than what is the most popular.
"Look at what the author says in summary:
I'd probably pick full-frame camera if I could only ever use one format again. No single format is best, however, just better for specific needs and budgets. Just because full-frame is the popular choice, it doesn't mean it's the best format for you."
It really depends on what and how you shoot and choose the most suitable camera than what is the most popular.
Price is usually not a issue for Full Frame owners who wants to shoot birds.
There are so many of them using the 600mm F4 lenses costing $20K.
Only issue is most of them have to back off or change lenses when a bird moves toward them.
The main issue is Canon, Nikon and Sony is not able to offer a 300mm to 800mm F4.5 zoom lenses.
There are so many of them using the 600mm F4 lenses costing $20K.
Only issue is most of them have to back off or change lenses when a bird moves toward them.
The main issue is Canon, Nikon and Sony is not able to offer a 300mm to 800mm F4.5 zoom lenses.
JW73
Senior Member
I know where you are coming from.
However, from the Sony social media influencers, it is acceptable for latest FF cameras & denoise software to perform in high iso with F8-F11 lens. In turn, more new users or existing users who wants a backup for their 600mmf4 will go for the quality "budget" mega zooms like the 400-800mmF8. There are many great results from the 400-800mmf8 shown as proof that this lens is no nonsense.
OM system really has to up its game in the wildlife area.
400-800mm f8 is no nonsense provided you have enough light to work within F8.
There is a limit on how far you can push ISO, 12800 is probably the max I will use on my Sony A7CR.
Yes, OM need to up its game in the wild life area just like all other brands.
It's great that they come up with a Mk2 for the 100-400.
Although some photographers love the 150-600 made by Sigma, for me it was a quickie solution from Sigma.
It will be great if OM asked Sigma to shave off the diameter of the lenses element to reduce the size and weight of this lenses.
Plus, it will be great if OM can license of the subject ID tech from Sony since Sony is already manufacturing the sensor to OM.
Having said all the above, OMDS do not have vast resources like Sony to develop multiple product lines at the same time.
Having launched the OM-3, I think OMDS will be focussing on developing smaller lenses for the OM-3 and figure out a even smaller camera like the Pen F for the next 1 or 2 years.
There is a limit on how far you can push ISO, 12800 is probably the max I will use on my Sony A7CR.
Yes, OM need to up its game in the wild life area just like all other brands.
It's great that they come up with a Mk2 for the 100-400.
Although some photographers love the 150-600 made by Sigma, for me it was a quickie solution from Sigma.
It will be great if OM asked Sigma to shave off the diameter of the lenses element to reduce the size and weight of this lenses.
Plus, it will be great if OM can license of the subject ID tech from Sony since Sony is already manufacturing the sensor to OM.
Having said all the above, OMDS do not have vast resources like Sony to develop multiple product lines at the same time.
Having launched the OM-3, I think OMDS will be focussing on developing smaller lenses for the OM-3 and figure out a even smaller camera like the Pen F for the next 1 or 2 years.
Pen-F ii and OM-1x
The Pen-Fii sounds logical as some users still find the OM-3 still quite large compared to the Pen-F and they really want a even smaller camera body, not needing so many features from OM-1.
I cannot imagine what OM is going to put into the OM-1x. Personally I am not in favor of a built in vertical grip like the EM-1x. If I need one, I prefer it to be detachable. But having the OM-3 now for me to take out for street and light travel photos, the larger OM-1x may sound logical, provided it has sufficient advantage. Higher Resolution and therefore requiring higher speed CPU and buffer? But OM have to keep the price low enough for it to be attractive. Otherwise, I am perfectly happy with my OM-1 ii. Just blasting out my thoughts
The Pen-Fii sounds logical as some users still find the OM-3 still quite large compared to the Pen-F and they really want a even smaller camera body, not needing so many features from OM-1.
I cannot imagine what OM is going to put into the OM-1x. Personally I am not in favor of a built in vertical grip like the EM-1x. If I need one, I prefer it to be detachable. But having the OM-3 now for me to take out for street and light travel photos, the larger OM-1x may sound logical, provided it has sufficient advantage. Higher Resolution and therefore requiring higher speed CPU and buffer? But OM have to keep the price low enough for it to be attractive. Otherwise, I am perfectly happy with my OM-1 ii. Just blasting out my thoughts
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