What is your stand on reserving seats using using Tissue in the Food Court etc.

[kzone]

This practice was obviously started by some Aunty, or low-level female clerk , generally from a less priviledge upbringing family, more of HDB background, and with none or little international exposure.

bloody stereotyping...

It is very urgly to see often people, especially foreigners, more cultured people, more so gentlemen of higher social standing, walking around with a food tray in hand, looking for an empty seat to consume his food, whilst noticing so many empty seats being occupied by tissue papers.

foreigners, more cultured people?? puh lease.... u must be those who treated those ang mohs like they are some kind of gods & wud take any opportunity to lick their toes...

 

[sORe-EyEz]

Please dont be stupid and help to promulgate the growth of such ugly singaporean practice. Foreigners will laugh at us for being lacking in culture and finesse.
So, you can help by just stomping yourself on any of such seat and proceed to consume your food in a more befitting manner. A gentleman like you should not be abused by another ugly singaporean's stupid parctice.

to a foreigner, this cultural difference may be viewed with amusement. in a culturally diverse world, sometimes there is no superiority. eating with bare hands is still practiced by some today.

some gentlemen would wise up & buy food back to office to 'beat the crowd', or he may not get any seat even after his meal break is up.

 

[knight chemistry]

bloody stereotyping...




foreigners, more cultured people?? puh lease.... u must be those who treated those ang mohs like they are some kind of gods & wud take any opportunity to lick their toes...

Haha,, dont change the subject,,, i have AngMo working for me before,, and i have angmoh in my community where they call me Mr,, and i call them by name,,,
And you must be that silly "aunty" type of clerks,, not performing even in your workplace,, kiasu,, narrow,, enclosed,, always there to argue for nothing,,, hit you on the skull right?? Aunty??

 

[kzone]

Haha,, dont change the subject,,, i have AngMo working for me before,, and i have angmoh in my community where they call me Mr,, and i call them by name,,,
And you must be that silly "aunty" type of clerks,, not performing even in your workplace,, kiasu,, narrow,, enclosed,, always there to argue for nothing,,, hit you on the skull right?? Aunty??

Good for ya... u muz be ashamed of us aunties... thanks for registering in clubsnap if only to share ur views on the tissue papers... pls feel free to check out the photography related topics as well...

 

[aeskywan]

Good for ya... u muz be ashamed of us aunties... thanks for registering in clubsnap if only to share ur views on the tissue papers... pls feel free to check out the photography related topics as well...

Nah I think school holidays have started so the small primary school kids are out having fun...

For one.... he or she certainly don't speak like the "boss" of "ang mohs" he claims to be.... the kind of childish remarks..... makes me feel more like Im talking to a primary school kid.

 

[knight chemistry]

Haha.... pot calling kettle black... anyway,, i made my points...

 

[knight chemistry]

to a foreigner, this cultural difference may be viewed with amusement. in a culturally diverse world, sometimes there is no superiority. eating with bare hands is still practiced by some today.

some gentlemen would wise up & buy food back to office to 'beat the crowd', or he may not get any seat even after his meal break is up.

You are a wise man with wise thoughts. I agree superiority lies not in the form but in the substance,, the soul, the spirit and mind. He who feels not any superiority is the most superior of all. Eating with hands is not an issue as far as i am concern. It is an ethinical culture , practice, and societal rule for some, and should be respected by others. You cant equate that practice with this of choping a seat with tissue paper.

Today, i had a group discussion with many of my friends on this subject. We touched on many grounds on issue relating to this practice.
Basically, my points are:

1. i need to make a difference between "reserving" and "choping". To many it is the same thing,, but i beg to differ.
2. I am not against reservation,, but i am against choping.
3. When a person reserves a seat,, there are many compeling reasons,,, like father and son or family sharing a table; a person carrying a lot of shopping items, a worker having a handful of files, a group of handicapped persons making a stopover for a meal, etc etc,,, and we look at the needs, the size, the number of seats taken, the way the seats are reserved,,, there has to be a substantiated reason for reserving a seat.
4. Choping is different,, it is just one of many office workers, simply placing a pack of tissue paper on an empty seat and claim "Preda Branca",,, and taking advanctage of others' kindness of not wishing to rake a fight. The practice is so prevalent now that many would think it neither right or wrong to do this. This is morally wrong, because this practice compromises other people's opportunity of using the seat, and these could be those who had arrived earlier but went straight ahead to buy their food first.
5. Often, what is considered as practical, time saving exercise to chope a seat often results in wasted opportunity for others who could have used the seats but prevented from doing so by such sheer lack of considerate practice.
6. In the global economy, we have witnessed how, overr the past 7-8 years, the industry has invented new ways to lose money when the old ways seemed to work just fine. Similarly, the old ways of using the seats were just fine and graceful when everyone respects another person's right of use without introducing the new tissue paper method to rob fellow citizen of the gracefulness of being courteous towards other seat users.

 

[sORe-EyEz]

You are a wise man with wise thoughts. I agree superiority lies not in the form but in the substance,, the soul, the spirit and mind. He who feels not any superiority is the most superior of all. Eating with hands is not an issue as far as i am concern. It is an ethinical culture , practice, and societal rule for some, and should be respected by others.

...the old ways seemed to work just fine. Similarly, the old ways of using the seats were just fine and graceful when everyone respects another person's right of use without introducing the new tissue paper method to rob fellow citizen of the gracefulness of being courteous towards other seat users.

thanks for ur compliment. :lovegrin:

last time dun need to queue for food, just place order at the stall & wait to be served. with my butt on the seat i already chope it. :sweatsm: but the old way was done away citing raising operating costs of hiring additional staffers.

maybe in places where i can pluck the chairs out i should bring it along as i queue up to order food?

very mountain turtle loh!!

:bsmilie:

 

[knight chemistry]

You are a wise man with wise thoughts. I agree superiority lies not in the form but in the substance,, the soul, the spirit and mind. He who feels not any superiority is the most superior of all. Eating with hands is not an issue as far as i am concern. It is an ethinical culture , practice, and societal rule for some, and should be respected by others. You cant equate that practice with this of choping a seat with tissue paper.

Today, i had a group discussion with many of my friends on this subject. We touched on many grounds on issue relating to this practice.
Basically, my points are:

1. i need to make a difference between "reserving" and "choping". To many it is the same thing,, but i beg to differ.
2. I am not against reservation,, but i am against choping.
3. When a person reserves a seat,, there are many compeling reasons,,, like father and son or family sharing a table; a person carrying a lot of shopping items, a worker having a handful of files, a group of handicapped persons making a stopover for a meal, etc etc,,, and we look at the needs, the size, the number of seats taken, the way the seats are reserved,,, there has to be a substantiated reason for reserving a seat.
4. Choping is different,, it is just one of many office workers, simply placing a pack of tissue paper on an empty seat and claim "Preda Branca",,, and taking advanctage of others' kindness of not wishing to rake a fight. The practice is so prevalent now that many would think it neither right or wrong to do this. This is morally wrong, because this practice compromises other people's opportunity of using the seat, and these could be those who had arrived earlier but went straight ahead to buy their food first.
5. Often, what is considered as practical, time saving exercise to chope a seat often results in wasted opportunity for others who could have used the seats but prevented from doing so by such sheer lack of considerate practice.
6. In the global economy, we have witnessed how, overr the past 7-8 years, the industry has invented new ways to lose money when the old ways seemed to work just fine. Similarly, the old ways of using the seats were just fine and graceful when everyone respects another person's right of use without introducing the new tissue paper method to rob fellow citizen of the gracefulness of being courteous towards other seat users.

By the way, i have nothing against "aunties". It is just the ways some young office workers conduct themselves that make themselves appear so disparaging obnoxious at public places, like talking loudly in lifts, psycotically quarrelsome at public places, not conforming with protocols etc etc.. By the way, i know of one "aunty" i respect a lot, and never in my life have i seen her "choping" a seat. She detests such practice and she too thinks the girls are to be blamed generally, and now even gentlemen and foreigners have no choice but to join in the practice. For one, she sticks to old ways, and think it is the right communicty way. She is my wife.

 

[knight chemistry]

thanks for ur compliment. :lovegrin:

last time dun need to queue for food, just place order at the stall & wait to be served. with my butt on the seat i already chope it. :sweatsm: but the old way was done away citing raising operating costs of hiring additional staffers.

maybe in places where i can pluck the chairs out i should bring it along as i queue up to order food?

very mountain turtle loh!!

:bsmilie:

hahaha,,, excellent suggestion.... "san ren zhi yu miao zi"..... the mountain turtle does have tricks in his own sleeve...
I have no objection to this method of yours claiming "Preda Branca"...since you have made a substantiated effort to claim it...
The world is certainly a happier place to live in with one like you...

 

[ortega]

it seems that this discussion is getting a little too "passionate"
what is the topic again?

oh ya!... What is your stand on reserving seats using using Tissue in the Food Court etc.

let me remind all of the Terms of Use

 

[sORe-EyEz]

hahaha,,, excellent suggestion.... "san ren zhi yu miao zi"..... the mountain turtle does have tricks in his own sleeve...
I have no objection to this method of yours claiming "Preda Branca"...since you have made a substantiated effort to claim it...
The world is certainly a happier place to live in with one like you...

the chairs betta have wheels!! :bsmilie: queue up for food while seating instead of standing. class act siah! :bsmilie:

 

[vince123123]

It does not matter what you or I think, what matters is what the law says. The law says that such leaving around is littering and hence can be construed as such.

As for clearing of litter, as an individual, I can choose what litter I want to clear and what I do not want to clear. The law does not place an obligation on me to clear all litter once I consider it as such.

Even if I want to take the seat and clear the tissue paper, once again there is legally nothing wrong with that. The whole bringing up of litter is to offer a counter view that taking the tissue paper does not constitute theft.

we obviously know the clean table top with an unopened tissue packet is not littered, if not this thread would not exist. the 2nd person who push the tissue away or hide it obviously do not intend to clear a litter. i think there is more of a frustration and anger rather than in a considerate mindset, for in a busy and crowded situation where time is limited, how many would actually take the tissue paper to throw it away properly in the bin, even though it is being claimed here.

if one really wants to pick up litter and dispose of it properly, then does anyone here help to clear and keep the dishes and cups of the preceding guy eating there, along with one's own? i really doubt anyone here does that, for i wouldn't myself, and for most places have cleaners to clear the stuff too. and how about seeing stray rubbish next to a bin while one's throw another rubbish, how many would bend down and pick up the stray rubbish, along with his own? i do that quite often, but i dun expect many others to do that. however, if one who does nothing of the two above examples, it is pretty obvious that he would not clear the tissue paper packet for the reason of seeing it a litter and disposing it. the only reason of clearing it, be it pushing aside, hiding it on the chair, pushing it off onto the floor, or really throwing it in a bin, or even walking to the bin faraway to throw it (unlikely), is most probably only wanting to take the seat.

i dun see the point of saying one can view so and so when one obviously thinks otherwise.

 

[vince123123]

The legal penalty for littering does not require an intention to litter before the offence is made out. Hence, it does not matter that a person intends or does not intend to litter.

Let me ask you, what if a person leaves the tissue on the table, and then queues up for food. He receives and important phone call and rushes off without retrieving the tissue. What then? Do we leave the tissue packet there forever since he reserved the seat? How does anyone even tell that the person will return?

In any case, even if it is not littering, it doesn't detract from my substantive view that I can simply remove the tissue paper and not get into any legal trouble.

i think you can correctly argue that leaving a small packet of tissue paper around is inappropriate as it can be easily taken away. similarly if one leaves a diamond ring or a watch around... these are different from leaving a bag or a pram around.

however, it is obviously not an act of littering. it is not obvious to a foreigner who does not know of the local culture, but it is obvious to someone who KNOWS but DISAGREE. i know you disagree with that practice, it is fine. but to start labelling it as something we all know it clearly just to make it ugly is quite absurd.

you and i know that the person who leave the tissue paper around have no intent of littering, if not there will not be the thread of this title of "reserving seats", and it is obvious that you have read through the thread and have expected intelligence and language ability to be aware of the contents of the thread which is the practice exist of using tissue paper packets to reserve seat and not the practice of littering. it became the issue of not whether they are really littering, or whether intend to littering, or whether we think they are littering, becos the answer is pretty clearcut after so many pages. it is the issue of what you wanted them to be appeared to be doing.

if it is a law court, i would understand that any arguments would be resorted to. but since it is not, why not we just talk sense? just pure common sense, and not those long references you have brought in. we are not going to stab each other and get into fight or anything. if we see each other with a good photograph, we will still praise each other. if there is some good insights, regardless of which side, i think it is good to share. but i think this labelling of littering is getting quite out of context, and is bordering on getting too sentimental and heated.

 

[Benosaurous]

whats so much to debate about? just go for a lunch in the cbd area alone, and try to find a seat after buying your food, you will get why this is practice.

obviously people who disagree with it doesnt work in the cbd or just having some ego problems with aunties and girls getting seats earlier than you.

if you would like to spend 1hour of your time trying to argue with other fellow cbd workers of why you have to sit on his/her tissue, feel free to do so.

i'm proud of fellow singaporeans practicing this, as it actually means we have reach a stage of mutual understanding that by doing this we will be efficient in having our lunch fast to have time spare for whatever you wish to do.

Whois saying we are uncultured? Wait till you try having lunch in some other country sitting there reserving seats for your fellow colleagues and next thing you know some strangers just sit next to you and disagree that you can reserve seats for anyone else.

 

[vince123123]

Are you an auntie/girl that gets seats earlier than others?

whats so much to debate about? just go for a lunch in the cbd area alone, and try to find a seat after buying your food, you will get why this is practice.

obviously people who disagree with it doesnt work in the cbd or just having some ego problems with aunties and girls getting seats earlier than you.

if you would like to spend 1hour of your time trying to argue with other fellow cbd workers of why you have to sit on his/her tissue, feel free to do so.

i'm proud of fellow singaporeans practicing this, as it actually means we have reach a stage of mutual understanding that by doing this we will be efficient in having our lunch fast to have time spare for whatever you wish to do.

Whois saying we are uncultured? Wait till you try having lunch in some other country sitting there reserving seats for your fellow colleagues and next thing you know some strangers just sit next to you and disagree that you can reserve seats for anyone else.

 

[titleist]

I seriously don't find anything wrong with this practise. I work in CBD area for about 8 years now and i have seen alot of such practise. First of all, I like to make myself clear that I don't practise this at all, not even once.

I find that having someone sitting there to chop the table and putting tissue onto the table the same. In fact, using tissue paper chopping methods will benefit all. Eg. 2 groups of 4 person having lunch and 1 adopt the tissue paper chopping methods, the other adopts the human chopping methods. Who do you think will complete eating first and leave? Of course the group that adopt tissue paper chopping methods. Coz the other group got to wait for someone to buy and come back with the food, before he/she can go and buy his/her own food.

Unless people place their tissue there and never come back to claim it.. then i think this is wrong. If not, just to chop it and get their food, i think this is perfectly ok and same like having a friend to sit there to wait.

 

[ejunlow]

Why use tissue when it doesn have your name on it? Use a namecard.... i thought it might at least "hey THAT's MY namecard..." and not some generic tissue packet...

Singapore's a happening place! :bsmilie: Love it! :heart::heart:

 

[sbs99]

It's just a bad and annoying habit. People who do it, know it's annoying, but yet they still do it. I think its a common human trait? :bsmilie:

We can't do much except voicing out our "buay song". Hahahaha

 

[vince123123]

Sure, just as you belong to the camp that does not find anything wrong with the practice; there are those who belong to the camp who find something wrong.

Since there are no laws prohibiting or allowing this practice, it will be the law of the jungle. Those anti-tissue people will just remove and site, and those pro-tissue people will continue to put there. It will be survival of the fittest and strongest that's all

For your second point, if you want to leave a friend there, the friend can beat off potential table stealers. If you leave your tissue there, then you are expecting that your seat will get stolen and hence, don't cry foul if it does get taken by another person. If you are the type who thinks that everyone will respect your tissue and not take your seat, then why not put something more valuable than a tissue? Leave your bag or laptop there lor!

I seriously don't find anything wrong with this practise. I work in CBD area for about 8 years now and i have seen alot of such practise. First of all, I like to make myself clear that I don't practise this at all, not even once.

I find that having someone sitting there to chop the table and putting tissue onto the table the same. In fact, using tissue paper chopping methods will benefit all. Eg. 2 groups of 4 person having lunch and 1 adopt the tissue paper chopping methods, the other adopts the human chopping methods. Who do you think will complete eating first and leave? Of course the group that adopt tissue paper chopping methods. Coz the other group got to wait for someone to buy and come back with the food, before he/she can go and buy his/her own food.

Unless people place their tissue there and never come back to claim it.. then i think this is wrong. If not, just to chop it and get their food, i think this is perfectly ok and same like having a friend to sit there to wait.