V.M.S. Cheongsam Theme Shoot

[Override2Zion]

if you dont have the look dont model .........coz it ruin the photo.

These words are rather harsh and unnecessary IMHO. Lets not stoop to making personal attacks. I'm not taking sides here but we're all here to have a good time and enjoy the hobby, be it photography or modeling.

Some may take it to the professional level while some remain as a hobbyist. We all have different expectations. Those who have been in CS for long enough will know the different styles of critiques given by various photographers. I've had my fair share of the harsh comments showered upon me before. Its Ok if its pertaining to technicalities and the artistic aspect but refrain from making general comments that can anger and hurt others. Peace

 

[JonQuek]

Critiques, comments and opinions should be most welcomed. Its a forum afterall. One should refrain from being offensive or launching attacks on fellow forumers.

Its a nice hobby and passionate profession for some. Lets enjoy it.

Jon

 

[Deadpoet]

frankly, this is a very unfriendly comment. It doesn't matter who you are referring to, and worse still it is meant to be a general comment!

Are you saying that only beautiful people can make a photo look good? :nono:

IMHO (from my past dealing with them), models Valene and Mandy are among the most beautiful xmm here, and also among the more experience ones. They dress and behave very well and their physical attributes are way above average. As for Staryl, she has enough experiences here to make some fair comments.

DP, probably in his usual style, has chewed a bit more this time :bsmilie:

I think we should move on ..... :dunno:

Btw, I did not even start this "discussion". However, the eyes are DEAD on arrival. And that third cheongsam, it looked so oversized that the model seems to have an extra 10KG that she can shed.

Cheongsam needs to be fitted.

At the end of the day, I rarely shoot any cheongsam because it is so hard to fit correctly. It is not a style that is easy to get right, eventhough, if done correctly, the effect is unbelievable.

We should all learn by our mistakes and experiences.

Well, we have a lifely one here. As for a model who can not accept criticism, good for her, and good luck for her career. Oh, forgot, what career. When one steps into the digital world but cannot stomache harsh criticism, better retreat back to the stone age. It's safer there, no one sees you, no one will criticise you.

Enough said.

 

[Staryl]

Btw, I did not even start this "discussion". However, the eyes are DEAD on arrival. And that third cheongsam, over oversized that looks as if the model had an extra 10KG that she can shed.

At the end of the day, I rarely shoot any cheongsam because it is so hard to fit correctly. It is not a style that is easy to get right, eventhough, if done correctly, the effect is unbelievable.

Well, we have a lifely one here. As for a model who can not accept criticism, good for her, and good luck for her career. Oh, forgot, what career. When one steps into the digital world but cannot stomache harsh criticism, better retreat back to the stone age. It's safer there, no one sees you, no one will criticise you.

Enough said.

Hahaha you really are blind and living in your own world perv. It's okay I forgive you.
**** off.

 

[eow]

Hahaha you really are blind and living in your own world perv. It's okay I forgive you.
**** off.

Lol....:bigeyes:

 

[edutilos-]

You have very realistic shots. I like how you have left the model's complexion intact in the last photo.

 

[tonylim]

if you dont have the look dont model .........coz it ruin the photo.

Very rude :thumbsd::thumbsd::thumbsd:

 

[nightwolf75]

dun mind mi being busybody... MOD PLS SAY SOMETHING

i think we mention before...

when the mods/admin don't act immediately, it is probably because,

a) we want to give offenders/trolls more rope to hang themselves with, thus making de-registrations a lot more easier. or,
b) we want to give offenders/trolls more time to repent

i will leave it to all the trolls in this thread to figure out which option it is.

 

[Canonised]

**** off.

First thing first, I need to point out to Staryl that such language is not condoned by the Mods or members here, so please control yourself.

Also I need to point out to Staryl that though DP appeared to be harsh and disrespectful here, he is almost a welcome icon at CS. He is seldom taken to task by the Mods because, firstly, he seldom (or maybe never) issue any personal attack to anyone, only on replies.
Secondly, though his c&c style is inhumanly crude, it has helped many photographers, organizers and models to improve and many members actually prefer to read his rather than those meaningless sweety sweety comments.
It has also been discussed many times, his personal photography skills should not be compared to his c&c skills, which, IMHO is really honest and frank.

And that third cheongsam, it looked so oversized that the model seems to have an extra 10KG that she can shed.

Cheongsam needs to be fitted.

3. Sheryl

We shouldn't fault DP for making this observation. This modern qipao indeed looks oversized (based on this photo only):

1. the collar looks like it is at least 10mm bigger than it should,

2. the qipao is supposed to hug elegantly whatever available bosom curves there are and to flow smoothly to the slim waist, even when the lady twists. In this case, it did show that the qipao was not "perfectly" tailored to the lady frame. :think:

Like DP said, qipao is NOT an easy dress to wear. Because of its long history and its design principle, it is meant to be "made to measure" by experts in the field, and not off the rack.

IMO, this model has indeed a very nice body frame and body assets to wear a more-fitting qipao. She deserves it.

 

[mrleech]

Just a newbie making a comment.

You know how bridal shops have their gowns? What they do to alter? Nothing, pins inside here and there. I guess for a simple alternative solution, that could have been done.

I agree on the fitting part. If it does not fit nicely, it really does not look very nice. It is also about showing the curves.

 

[khsay]

I think dead poet C&C refers to model styling before a shoot... esp if infections/mistake which could be avoided before a shoot... eg... makeup, hairstyle, dress sense, fitting of clothes... It is important to iron things out before squezzing the trigger cos it will be irrversible to change after tt...

Due to the nature of the photoshoot organised in the way that photographer just sign up and attend in groups, they have no knowledge of how the model will be style and any say over wad they wear... VS a 1-on-1 shoot

Given the situation it would be best for the photographers to pose the model in an elegant way to 'hide' the problem and bring out the best of model's beauty. Everyone is learning!

 

[Limsgp]

Agree with this. Cheongsam is best shown in full.

The framing in this series w.r.t. the title is indeed poorly done.

Perhaps ts can post more shots showing more of the "cheongsam" instead of only the heads.. The model can also maybe receive more comments wrt the posing when wearing such outfits. Not many model can show off the cheongsam really well.

I guess it's not easy to do a cheongsam shot, other than the technical difficulties mentioned by other members, another factor is that not many models actually own cheongsams, so these have to rented or sourced somewhere.. So with the opportunity to shoot cheongsam, it's a pity that the photographer doesn't take more shots showing the beauty of the 旗袍 or post more of those.

The photos do not show the "Cheongsam Theme" at all.
The cheongsam or qipao has to be shown in its entirety, that is from the top of the collar to the base of the hemline, otherwise it will not show the femininity and "sexiness" of the lady -and this is the most important aspect of a qipao.

 

[Leong Desmond]

Perhaps ts can post more shots showing more of the "cheongsam" instead of only the heads.. The model can also maybe receive more comments wrt the posing when wearing such outfits. Not many model can show off the cheongsam really well.

I guess it's not easy to do a cheongsam shot, other than the technical difficulties mentioned by other members, another factor is that not many models actually own cheongsams, so these have to rented or sourced somewhere.. So with the opportunity to shoot cheongsam, it's a pity that the photographer doesn't take more shots showing the beauty of the 旗袍 or post more of those.

Staryl

As Requested .........

 

[columbo]

Staryl

As Requested .........

See, I *knew* there were other shots that can work from that day.
Nice S curve pose, fun expression...

 

[vizuel]

take dp's words positively. I learnt a lot from him.

If u choose to take it negatively, it shows the kind of person u r.

peace

 

[sinned79]

guess i miss out some excitement in here

 

[catchlights]

I can see DesmondLeong enjoy this shoot and would like to share the photos from the session with members here,
however, he didn't mention he is looking for comments and I think commenting on on the styling, posing or whatever will not benefit TS or anyone in the photos.

so I would encourage members to give serious comments only when is needed or sought after, thus it will benifit both the giver and receiver.

have a good day.

 

[sinned79]

desmond,

here's my 2 cents. u can reject if u dun like what i suggest :bsmilie::sweatsm:

hmm some photos in here will give more life to your models in your photo with some catchlights in their eyes. So using a flash will be good. Else u only see very flat eyes and photos will look lifeless.

Not sure if your cam (u using panasonic G1?) had a external flash that u can use but i guess the pop up flash might not be strong enough for my suggestion.

 

[SHLEW]

Staryl

As Requested .........

The model does look sweet and cute, but sorry, the dress in the above picture is not a cheongsam. It looks more like a bare back fitted dress.:think:
Cheers.
LEW

 

[ed9119]

if u read carefully DP's comments were on the accessories and the clothing and how it fitted (poorly) the model...... there were no personal direct attacks on the model

at the end of the day this is a photography forum....... like it or not, different people of different skill levels will look at the images and give comments and suggestions ..... this will do nothing.... but help the photographer in future

as a model, sorry if there is no personal attack on your goodself, you should best keep it zipped..... you're paid to model and so sorry, the truth of the matter is..... you're the subject... or crudely put, on par with a vase of flowers, a car or a landscape ...... subjects in a photographer's viewfinder....... so act your part..... pose to the best of your ability given the circumstances you find yourself in (which you might have little or no control over)

The photog shooting you chose to post his works of you in the forum. The images will then be spliced, dissected, torn apart and discussed ..... where everyone learns.

Sometimes there will be praise..... sometimes opinions , feedback and suggestion from different perspectives ..... and these comments will come in all styles........... as long as there is no direct attack on any person.