The Zone System, does it matter?

[singscott]

I see it pointless for me to continue on this thread. I will NOT contribute any more postings. However, I will check here once a while to defend my stand and point-of-view of the system.

For those who SERIOUSLY are interested in learning the system. I do conduct miniature workshops once a while. Check out the next commencing dates under the 'workshops' thread.

And for those of you who argue the hell out, you will come to realise ONE DAY that knowing the system is something really valuable and helpful, unless you give up photography entirely of course.

Good luck to all of you! Ciao.

See la. Instead of fishing more freebie from photobum, now you have to attand his course and pay for it.:bsmilie: :bsmilie:

In fact alot of us should thank photobum for the information on zone system he share. Those who aruge like hell, I wonder do they know it they are helping other to know the zone system. We reply to their misinformation, other people begin to check is the information correct and learn the zone system through their research. Very much worth our effort here.

 

[LSZ]

Of course people can read ! student and the few of you have made yourselves heard loud and clear. Your points are clear! very clear in fact !
the fools are those who cannot read themselves and then call people idiots

Regardless of what has happened, there is no reason to insult and
demean a person and his mental state. These are different issues.

In all of your righteousness it must have felt good to continually put down someone. Because there is an official reason! You have done it in the name of justice! who can dispute that ! He deserves to be a F head, a dog!
Your new found power ? deprived childhood? or abused when young?

People have eyes to see and to separate issues. No need to explain anything to the "viewers".

 

[LSZ]

.... Are these your replies eariler "over rated non-sense in my world.", then follow by " Don't use my nick and post". So where your points that zone system is a "over rated non-sense"? ........................... Later why claim someone else use your nick? Who is the real and been sincre here? ...................

I did not post the earlier reply.
My post saying "don't use my nick and post" was addressed to only one person.

Actually I did not see the need to explain the above, but since you wanted to play investigator.
I remembered you called a moderator to check on this. By all means, do it ! I have non to hide.

Basically I cannot care less about saving face in this forum. What is there to prove? But some people will go out of their way to do that !

Regarding your earlier remarks about people who use other people's nick to post are cowards, I can only say that, to hide behind the computer screen and to hurl insults at others makes one non the better..... and to issue cheeky "threats", just to add.

I don't know much about zone system, and I don't have a problem saying this.
Why skirt the issue when my question now is not about zone system, but about what gives one the right to put down others in such a manner ?

It is really easy to use humbleness and a noble cause as a blanket, an excuse.

 

[teckyy]

I hope the course is free. That's what sharing is about. So is it free? Simple question, no answer.

 

[teckyy]

I also conduct classes on how to shoot the moment. And it's free. The class only needs one line :" Use your eyes."

 

[teckyy]

See la. Instead of fishing more freebie from photobum, now you have to attand his course and pay for it.:bsmilie: :bsmilie:

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Was that why he was pushing for it all this while? Just curious.

 

[singscott]

I did not post the earlier reply.
My post saying "don't use my nick and post" was addressed to only one person.

Actually I did not see the need to explain the above, but since you wanted to play investigator.
I remembered you called a moderator to check on this. By all means, do it ! I have non to hide.

Basically I cannot care less about saving face in this forum. What is there to prove? But some people will go out of their way to do that !

Regarding your earlier remarks about people who use other people's nick to post are cowards, I can only say that, to hide behind the computer screen and to hurl insults at others makes one non the better..... and to issue cheeky "threats", just to add.

I don't know much about zone system, and I don't have a problem saying this.
Why skirt the issue when my question now is not about zone system, but about what gives one the right to put down others in such a manner ?

It is really easy to use humbleness and a noble cause as a blanket, an excuse.

:bsmilie: Please dun play this "noble cause" game with me. You tried to project this hero image here defender of the "abuse people there". OR are you? I am not "humble" when come to misinformation for zone system. Which I come across by chance, I regret for not knowing it eariler, well there no forum back then. After 15 years I am still able to learn from it and improve my photography level as I go. If you dun want to tell people about it is fine by me, but once you give misinformation I will reply.

Nothing to do with "face" Let see who are the one want so call face. I have never only reply about people conduct here without reference to what they said about zone system. So far what your reply, "oh you are insulting and abusing people, I am the hero who don't want face to tell you off" Are you the one who said" I don't know much about zone system, and I don't have a problem saying this. Why skirt the issue when my question now is not about zone system, but about what gives one the right to put down others in such a manner ?"

What I am saying to you and your so call supporter. Do not know do not any how say la. And this is the "Zone system thread" talking about it give me the right, if they give good fact about zone system do I have the right to so call put them down? What have the people I reply negative to have in common with you? They do not know the topic, the rest of their replies way off zone system by attacking people who know. I am just playing this game with you, you start with the misinformation so expect me to reply. Who are you defending and do they need defending. I say grow up. If you want to play this "hero" game go ahead. Like you say people can see.

 

[singscott]

teckyy you doing a great job boy. Contuine this up we will be the longest darkroom thread!!!Who the good boy . That right you are.

 

[LSZ]

You are very right, you want to correct a person. You want to correct misinformation. That gives you the right to call another person a dog. You have all the rights man ! That was the point all along...just in case.

You expect to say something like that and invite no replies? And then counter-reply with snide remarks when someone does? What can I say about that. Macho !

Who was I trying to defend? "Littlewolf"? Then I can stop working and stay in forums full time doing all these!

Talking about supporters? What are supporters? People who carry balls? People who choose to be on sides?

Hero ? You are the greatest hero of the Zone System !

Yes. People have eyes to read. I have said all I have to say in this thread. No need to run circles.

 

[Pablo]

I also conduct classes on how to shoot the moment. And it's free. The class only needs one line :" Use your eyes."

OK, let us learn from you with our eyes.

Show us a photo of yours so we may admire a shot of a moment.

 

[photobum]

I just completed my workshop today. Too bad it rained, so I could only do the lecturing part. For your information, as long as we live in this little red dot, nothing is free.

Anyway, I am beginning to wonder if "teckyy" is actually a "Littlewolf" clone. I don't call people crazy or retard for nothing, consider I am not in a stable mental state myself (I admit). But I just hate people who interrupt me (first) and misinterpret me (second).

That's all I have to say today. BTW, I lectured for 4 hours non-stop this afternoon. It is hard-earned money.

 

[student]

I just completed my workshop today. Too bad it rained, so I could only do the lecturing part. For your information, as long as we live in this little red dot, nothing is free.

Anyway, I am beginning to wonder if "teckyy" is actually a "Littlewolf" clone. I don't call people crazy or retard for nothing, consider I am not in a stable mental state myself (I admit). But I just hate people who interrupt me (first) and misinterpret me (second).

That's all I have to say today. BTW, I lectured for 4 hours non-stop this afternoon. It is hard-earned money.

I am fairly certain that this "teckyy" is not a "littlewolf" clone. He is "littlewolf" re-incarnated. With all his bravado, he had no answer to his own admonition to "listen" to "artist", and then proceeded to shoot himself in the foot by quoting a non-artist like Roger Hicks.

BTW, I do understand the hard work you must had put in, and I am absolutely sure the money is honestly earned.

 

[photobum]

After so many posts by me. Are these the only points you got? How about the lengthy ones that explain why the zone system is very much matter? Is it making me look like a bad guy make your points or what ever they are better. Oh what are the points you make about this zone system thread? Are these your replies eariler "over rated non-sense in my world.", then follow by " Don't use my nick and post". So where your points that zone system is a "over rated non-sense". Oh ya that right in your world. Why tell us? Is it you are telling us we should believe zone system is over rated and a nonsense? Later why claim someone else use your nick? Who is the real and been sincre here?

Let get a few facts straight from this horse mouth oh by the way that refer to me. (A lot of people "dun read" here proven by photobum) I did not or never claim I did not call people name. I do, so did "other party" and people who read will see that.

If I can be call a dog, then I am one tha bark when what I know are misinformation or unfair comment about the zone system and the people here who know what they are talking about.

Student, Photobum and I say the same thing. That is "zone system is very much matter now". So who is who's supporter? In fact I think I wrote the longest reply here and in my "camp" we are all treated equal. Only childish people and politician in "my world" need supporters.

Wow "new found authority". Let me point out the authority here is not new found. The authority here is that I am using the zone system and I been learning it for more then 15 years. Also by knowing some people are misleading other give me the authority.

Why do I need the moderator? Oh I rememeber some one claim some other people is using his nick. Now that surely the job of the moderator to check on it.

Oh saying that I need a new owner is your way of playing nice? Then I "must" be "nice" to you and your supporter" Trust me on that

哎呀！省下你的口水啦。这些人都是牛皮灯笼。我们说怎么都没用。让他们自生自灭吧。我和医生都以经说到很疲倦了。

 

[AReality]

OK, I'm still a n00b and I don't know what the ********** is Zone system.

how about a joke...
There is no white nor black nor grey.
They're all photons propagating thru space as EM waves.
With that said, "black", "white", "grey", "blue", they're all names made up by humans.

Oh, anything I said here stand to be corrected. Pls correct me if I'm wrong.


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[photobum]

I am fairly certain that this "teckyy" is not a "littlewolf" clone. He is "littlewolf" re-incarnated. With all his bravado, he had no answer to his own admonition to "listen" to "artist", and then proceeded to shoot himself in the foot by quoting a non-artist like Roger Hicks.

BTW, I do understand the hard work you must had put in, and I am absolutely sure the money is honestly earned.

可能您说的对吧。这家伙是小野狼的转世。我对它也没兴趣。休息吧。我们还有很长的路要走。

 

[photobum]

哦对了。。。虽然我宣布不参预这话题了，可是这些人还是没完没了的。真头痛。

 

[singscott]

You are very right, you want to correct a person. You want to correct misinformation. That gives you the right to call another person a dog. You have all the rights man ! That was the point all along...just in case.

You expect to say something like that and invite no replies? And then counter-reply with snide remarks when someone does? What can I say about that. Macho !

Who was I trying to defend? "Littlewolf"? Then I can stop working and stay in forums full time doing all these!

Talking about supporters? What are supporters? People who carry balls? People who choose to be on sides?

Hero ? You are the greatest hero of the Zone System !

Yes. People have eyes to read. I have said all I have to say in this thread. No need to run circles.

Hey get one fact right, I use the "dog" only once in my previous replies, you use it more then me. And it was refering to the action of been annoying like "there a Dog barking here". I so far choose not explain why I use the world and you repeatly kept saying I call people dog. So who is running in circles.

If I am choosing side, I am choosing the side of giving the people the correct information for them to see it for themselve.

And also my pooint along is talk facts and good information about zone system is it still very much matter. If what are presented are facts, I have no chance or wants to so call put people down like you say. Let me repeat what I say again as there this selected reading among people like you: "I don't start this misinformation game you did, I just play along to make you explain yourself."

 

[singscott]

OK, I'm still a n00b and I don't know what the ********** is Zone system.

how about a joke...
There is no white nor black nor grey.
They're all photons propagating thru space as EM waves.
With that said, "black", "white", "grey", "blue", they're all names made up by humans.

Oh, anything I said here stand to be corrected. Pls correct me if I'm wrong.


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And may I add these EM waves have different wavelength. So they are same and yet not so same. As everything on human earth we human made all the names.

 

[singscott]

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You are right. But something in me just can't seen to let go these misinformation, attacks on poeple who know the stuff and their so call rightous call to make us see we are wrong where they are one whom start all these Bullsh*t. There other who wish to know more about zone system, let them be the jugde of things.

 

[Darren]

This thread has degenerated enough and we are closing it off. Apologies to those who have contributed positively to this thread, please start another thread to discuss this again in a civilised manner.

First warnings given to teckyy and LSZ for postings which are, on the whole, inflammatory and causing distress to others. Subsequent inflammatory postings or similiar actions will result in de-registration.

Notices (not warnings) given to student and singscott in part for retaliation. Please tone down language used in the forums ... masking words in **** does not diminish the intent behind them.