LOL good luck doing that with any camera. A nice heavy dslr will actually give you more stability.
*rolleyes*
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LOL good luck doing that with any camera. A nice heavy dslr will actually give you more stability.
*rolleyes*
We're comparing full frame to full frame. The Leica pns has a much smaller sensor. Then might as well compare leica pns to rx100
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tomcat
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Not everybody likes to shoot at high ISOs. Technology has not reach the stage here IQ at ISO 3200 is equal to that at ISO 100 and the RX1 is no exception. I for one likes to shoot at as low a ISO as I can get the camera to perform at... all the time. I have encountered in low light environment (not necessarily in the night... just indoors), cameras without IS would have problem taking a shake-free image handheld at exposure levels like 1/8 - 1/10s, even at f/2 if I want to keep the ISO at 100-200. Having IS which is typically equivalent to an EV of 3-4 would have allowed me to take handheld shake-free images under such conditions.
Disgusted eyes at some of the comments above (not yours of course
). Till now, people still comes in here to whack Sony for this and that and expects Sony to be their best camera. To them, its like a sin or a crime that Sony failed to meet their expectation. To many others, Sony has already given them their dream machine/cam. If you think that this is not the camera for you (or you cannot afford it), then give your feedback in a postive way (not tell everyone why IS is not available at this price point or compare a toyota with a mercedes/bmw etc). I am already a happy person if toyota can give me most of the features that is in Mercedes/bmw or better still, not yet available in mercedes/bmw cus toyota is all that i can afford right now).
I was hoping to see more real pictures of Rx1 (for some reason, I am not sure why the thread on rx1 pictures was removed).
ps: btw, I am also dissapppointed that there is no IS in this Sony but i dont shout and yell like its a crime. If it has IS, I would have bought it. So I guess i'll wait till the next release to see if there is an IS (and I am sure IS will make the body larger but hey, maybe with new technology/design, it wont be so).
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silvermoon1407
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To be honest, I dunno if u trolling me or u really think IS can do such marvellous stuff...
Right now, it seems to be IS. If Sony puts in IS, wonder what will they say next (i.e., what??!! no built in OVF). It will never stop.
We are comparing a full-frame camera in the size of a PNS. This is what RX1 is. We are not comparing PNS. Gee, who wants to compare PNS???!!!
Who else out there can give you a full-frame in a PNS size and at this price point?
silvermoon1407
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Yes I agree with what u have mentioned. I mean, end of the day, having IS definitely beats no IS. But the tradeoff? Assuming the lens gets oss, the shake due to extra weight maybe offsets the is partially.
And in practical sense, if u r so anal about iso 3200 noise in full frame, then u shldnt buy RX1. Buy compact with IS and shoot iso 100. Clean n sharp.
Everyone wants to shoot iso100. But when we can't, it will be technology that help us get the images that we want, which is why new sensors boast better resolution at low iso, and lesser noise at high iso.
Cheers
No need. Herd mentality has already ensured that every waterfall on the face of the earth has been shot to look like cotton candy from every possible angle.
. . . and with every shift lens shifted to either extreme . . .
. . . in every kind of weather and at every time of day.
Yes, the RX1 falls far short of the expectations of people who want a camera that'll wipe their a$$ and cook dinner . . .
Sony should just come out with a magic wand. First thing I'd use it for is to make Canikon trolls disappear.
tomcat
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IS need not be in the lens. Sony already have Steadyshot that is built into the body for their DSLRs and the Steadyshot INSIDE assembly is not really that big.
The RX1 is a front heavy camera due to the huge and heavy Zeiss lens. Having a little more weight in the body and maybe even slightly bigger body may not be such a bad thing in this case. A more balanced centre of gravity might make for better and less shaky handholding experience.
And you are right about just getting a normal compact with IS to shoot low ISO compared to getting the RX1 at 4x the price. I have the RX100 and it is to me a better value for money camera. It have IS and can take good handheld low ISO images.And if I want or need to take high ISO shots for any reason, I would use it in the Handheld Twilight or Anti Motion Blur modes and get surprisingly noise-free images at high ISO speeds of 3200-6400.
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I rem this phrase that keep coming out in the past in CS : 没有三角架，拍什么风景照。 ( bo tripod, shoot simi landscape or scenery).
IMHO , my tripod is the most steady one already ...
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Hacker
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Of course it doesn't have IS. The camera got announced months ago and people discussed the specs for ages already and still some folks are surprised it isn't an interchangeable lens camera and it doesn't have have IS. Amazing...
Not everyone surf all day to read spec. Better to buy and use than talk spec all day..... Amazing. If not buying, read spec for what?
Hacker
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You have not lost your touch.... very sweet. Shows the true potential of the RX1.
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silvermoon1407
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Sure, its possible. That would make it a A99 with a SAL35F20Z + small form factor - inability to change lenses.... hmm... I dunno, but I think such a setup would cost much more than what it cost now.
Oh yes, another reason y its not a super duper camera with every possible gd thing is they still want to sell their A99s and others.
Sony tripod?
No la my tripod not translucent technology one .. It's just carbon graphite made in china one :embrass:
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