Wont happen unless he has nicks like Wills, joHo, imasaint, or even Sion ....:bsmilie: :sweatsm:
so will Zhiliang opens a new thread like, Regarding Render III ? :think:
Dear all,
There are always 2 sides of a coin and faces of people we dont see and hope not to see. There are times when we think a reply to an accusation is not necessary, and a utter waste of time. There are times when we feel that holding our silence and peace is more precious than going to the gallows. "Regarding Render III"??? Were there "Regarding Render I or II"? Well, certainly a bait to start my own thread to at least say my own story out?
Well, before i begin, i will have to set my own side of my story out in a way which happened to me on my side. Have you watched Flags Of Our Fathers and Letters From Iwo Jima? I am recreating something along that sense but perhaps in this instance, its 2 movies made from 2 different directors.
1. First of all as i noticed a clubsnapper mentioning that there is no signing of black and white between the client and the agent / agency (was there a registered one?).
2. Days before the actual shoot, we agreed over MSN with a 50% deposit and a 50% upfront payment to the model on the day of that shoot. From some advices also from clubsnappers which i will decline to name, i am adviced from their past bad experiences to ask the agency whether we can agree on a 25% deposit and a 75% upfront payment to the model on that actual shoot. And i did just that, reminding everyone that i asked the agent politely. What i had in return was a scolding and a nasty advice about testing her patience. A nasty advice that contains explicit words that i believed should not be uttered in these dealings between clients and agency.
3. Some cooling down done after i reminded her that all i did was ask politely. And credit given to Render, she cooled down. We stick by the 50/50 arrangement. At that point of time, fellow clubsnappers were saying that i should drop this shoot as it would not make sense with the relationships already strained. And besides that, no agency, regardless how big should be that hostile in their business discussions. Render went on to make a very valid point on how the model has already agreed and set aside the time and its going to be very unfair to her. Thinking of all that, i agreed and feel that that is only the right thing i can do.
4. Instead of the agreed friday deposit payment, due to my goodwill, i decided to deposit the money into her account on Thursday night. It was done via UOB cash deposit and the deposit was not a fund transfer, but rather cash transferred in thru her account number. From experiences, transfer done this way, usually gets through immediately without any hassle. Instead, Render checked her account and told me that her bank amount stays the same. I was shocked, what now???? I was asked to produce an image of the receipt that comes together with the transaction which i duly obliged. Still her general conviction was that i did not pay up. I had to tell her later on that i am going to go straight to the bank to check (in fact i made a call to the bank operators at 2 am. just to clear up the problem with assurances that the amount is definitely in her account), for her to actually realise.....
5. Credit to Render again, on Friday she came back to me to clear that she has gotten the money. So good... Wow, the money is all of a sudden "in the account" again. Was it a misunderstanding or something else...? I leave it to your imagination...
6. Shoot on actual day went well and i paid up the other 50%. Model asked for her pictures to be sent to her and i agreed. We exchanged MSN addresses. I asked too, if there are future opportunities, should i contact the agency straight or to the model herself. Her answer was as vague because she mentioned that both alternatives are fine for her. Well thinking back, that was politically correct.
7. Repeated requests from both agency and model to send them the pictures taken. Communications with the model through MSN is because of this arrangement. A question raised during this time to the model was whether she would be free for shoots the next month. A reminder that this is not even an arrangement for an actual shoot bypassing the agency. Scenario being model is currently at the agent's house and agent chanced upon the MSN messages. Model tells me immediately that her agent is reading this message and she feels that anything, i should go through the agent, again very politically correct. I being honest said something along this line, "No offence intended, but i am not thinking of going through Render again due to the bad experiences i have encountered, and if that is so, i would rather not shoot at all." This was my choice.
8. Agent turned nasty immediately and threatened me with violation of her laws which we didnt even sign. Words like F*** you were uttered immediately and it even went personal. Personal things like "you photo shoot sucks" were mentioned. So pray tell me Render, why were you begging for me to send you "sucky photos"? I am a amateur in photography. And i pay for shoots without having the need for agency to tell me how sucky i am. Perhaps all of you out there can imagine going to Sakae Sushi to buy yourself a dinner, and having the manager over there tell you, that the way you eat sushis is plain sucky and disgusting.
9. I always feel (again they are my own opinions) that no one or agent or agency can think themselves too high up, too untouchables that they can blast anyone they like. Yes i mentioned that i have nothing to lose. Because for me, if there are no Azure Modelling, there are always countless others out there. I made my choice never to go through them again, and these are my opinions that i am entittled to.
I rest my case.