Panasonic announces the LUMIX G X VARIO 35-100mm / F2.8 / POWER O.I.S
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azul123
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I echo the same sentiments..
lens is made in dragonland and i thought bad QC...
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/four-thirds-standard-4-3-m43/1195542-pl-35-100mm-poor-qc.html
Claims about shifting from China to Japan production for this lens
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Agrivar
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MIJ or MIC is there really a difference? QC by panasonic JP. Every product has bad production. My 14-140 is MIJ but had so many issues until I got panny to replace it. Sony canon Nikon all have MIC lenses and cameras. Are they really bad ? What has this got to do with competitive pricing in SG vs JP. Very OT.
Forums is to express views. You have yours and others can have theirs. by thrashing others while insisting your views is the only valid one while others have shown you some solid facts, you are the one being rude and foul. Despite mod wonglp telling you guys to cool down and back off, you continued on. For that, infraction served.
The same goes for the others here. Take a chill pill. Go drink some coffee or do something constructive for a change.
Prices here are dictated by market forces. Price differentiation in different regions or countries is a fact for EVERYTHING sold all over the world. If you are not happy with that, no one is forcing you to buy local. You can buy from any country you desire, be it shipped in, or travel there, or even buy in our friendly neighbors across the causeway.
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What facts? speculation about cost structures? you call those facts?
If you want to be unhappy about the price differentiation of a single lens, why not complain about price differentiation about every other things, like how ikea stuff is priced differently all over the world? cars? housing? rice? cooking oil? baby diapers?
If not happy, then speak with actions. DON'T BUY! lower demand... wait for price to drop. Or buy from overseas. It ain't that hard. Just take a bus across the causeway.
Machiam 154 ranked media? well done. you just earned yourself an infraction. I have nothing to gain here. I do not even use Panny. If you guys know how to behave, we wouldn't need to come in to delete posts.
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Guys, chill. There are definitely variations in pricing at each region, and definitely each piece of information I receive will be processed.
Price war is unavoidable sometimes and since it is a free market, there are dealers who can sell below cost to drive attention.
Nonetheless, thank you for the information on Amazon Japan. I've already made an official inquiry into this
Price war is unavoidable sometimes and since it is a free market, there are dealers who can sell below cost to drive attention.
Nonetheless, thank you for the information on Amazon Japan. I've already made an official inquiry into this
Uh oh, I need to faster buy from Amazon JP first before JP side also raise prices?
In any case guys, just relax, we're all civilized men here (and women if any) so lets take a breather, we're all friends and friends like to make fun of each other, there are points that are worth noting, and some that can be skipped, there are valid points and there are... for lack of better words, invalid ones, just take everything with a pinch of salt
I apologise to all members if I insulted anyone, especially the moderators. I did not mean harm and I self deleted that post as an action deemed necessary.
i also wish that the moderators can perform their duties better. Before giving me another infraction, I like to explain why.
The cost analysis structure I posted previously is not a fact based on the information provided, it is an opinion of the situation. It is however, also a fact that i am unhappy, not satisfied with the situation. Of course there must be a certain limit to how much we can express our unhappiness. I am not sure why some of the posts are deleted. I thought I can give an idea to the members here why we are having so much higher prices, and I also give a fair assessment that prices in HK are only 5-10% higher after taking into consideration GST. The post also did not in anyway insult anyone and I felt injust for wholescale deletion.
Some of the posts like buying in USA is more expensive than in SG, is an interesting perspective and I do agree. It sounded silly but it is a fresh perspective. Again, there will be people who disagree. I thought the posts could simply be moderated by deletion of certain sentences which contain words that are uncalled for. This the members ourselves need to do our part.
Lastly, I believe that moderators should separate their personal opinions with their role as moderators. Moderators can ask and get people to tone down, but they should not tell people off to speak with actions, this is not their call. I remember in the FL600R situation, people gang up against Olympus Singapore to get the price of the flash down due to overpricing.
There are better ways to moderate and from this incident, this is pretty upsetting when one shares something without insulting anyone, things are deleted. I think I will keep myself to buy, sell and ask factual stuff.
i also wish that the moderators can perform their duties better. Before giving me another infraction, I like to explain why.
The cost analysis structure I posted previously is not a fact based on the information provided, it is an opinion of the situation. It is however, also a fact that i am unhappy, not satisfied with the situation. Of course there must be a certain limit to how much we can express our unhappiness. I am not sure why some of the posts are deleted. I thought I can give an idea to the members here why we are having so much higher prices, and I also give a fair assessment that prices in HK are only 5-10% higher after taking into consideration GST. The post also did not in anyway insult anyone and I felt injust for wholescale deletion.
Some of the posts like buying in USA is more expensive than in SG, is an interesting perspective and I do agree. It sounded silly but it is a fresh perspective. Again, there will be people who disagree. I thought the posts could simply be moderated by deletion of certain sentences which contain words that are uncalled for. This the members ourselves need to do our part.
Lastly, I believe that moderators should separate their personal opinions with their role as moderators. Moderators can ask and get people to tone down, but they should not tell people off to speak with actions, this is not their call. I remember in the FL600R situation, people gang up against Olympus Singapore to get the price of the flash down due to overpricing.
There are better ways to moderate and from this incident, this is pretty upsetting when one shares something without insulting anyone, things are deleted. I think I will keep myself to buy, sell and ask factual stuff.
theITguy said:
My 2 cents is that we r all photography lovers here and it's been a place where I learn a lot form. For example, call me a turtle living under a rock but I only found out abt the Pany 12-35mm from here and was glad the info here helped me make a reasonable buy when I just went Seoul n HKG. It's a personal choice of mine to pay $1200 for it overseas while SG's selling it for ~$1500. Some bros I know simply don't mind paying SG prices cause they want e peace of mind.
Price differentiation is a fact of life , for example buying the papers here for the right to drive a car here for 10 yrs can buy u 2 cars n the right to drive them till they splutter n die in another country. It's just that as humans it's our nature to hope to Kiap the best deal n decide whether an item is worth it or not n the forum provides the platform to provide such info.
Hence , no worries - sure everyone here replied n posted with good intentions. Cheers.
Thanks for the apology.
I understand where you are coming from. Now let me give you my perspective.
1. Your cost analysis structure is wrong. Because you are not a importer/exporter by trade. You do not understand the real costs of doing business here in Singapore, as well as the costs related to importing and exporting. There are many things to consider. Higher container clearing costs, very much higher internal transportation costs (we have the most expensive fuel and vehicle pricing in the world here). Not to mention the highest electricity costs in the whole world, and exorbitant rental costs. So your cost analysis structure is fundamentally flawed and unrealistic.
2. Price differentiation happens in all markets for all goods sold internationally. It is not just one company doing it. Every company do it. Why? because income is also different, Costs are different. Competition is different, customer demographics are different. What the market can bear is different as well. So comparing pricing to overseas is also unrealistic here.
3. About personal opinions. I don't have any. Mod Wonglp ask for help to delete posts. And at the same time, we also received a complaint from another CSer posting here about the arguments. So if someone complains, that he/she feels insulted, we will have to act. So I find the arguments, and deleted it all the way till to the source of that argument/disagreement. This is to ensure that we are fair to every one, including the person who complained, as well as the person who received the infraction. The only way to be fair is to remove all sources of disagreements. Since the info you posted are questionable in the first place (see point 1). I made the call to delete as much as I did.
4. This thread is also about the announcement of the lens. It is not about price differentiation, and complaints of how pricing is unjustified. If you want to continue this line of discussion, do it in another thread. But if someone starts complaining to the mods again via the report post function, we will still have to come in and delete the comments, and delete it all the way back to the source.
That is why things are deleted the way they are deleted. If there are no complaints, we will not come in and delete any stuff as well.
Your infraction is for inability to take a hint from mod wonglp, and also your inappropriate insinuation that amounts to an insult to the moderator community. On that alone, we can actually move to suspend or de-register you. But I chose an infraction that only last for 21 days. Which I think is already enough leeway.
If you are upset, it may be time to look at your own words again, and see if they are appropriate in the first place. And if your cost analysis is accurate in light of what I just mentioned in point 1. And yes, I was in the import and export line, and I know exactly what the costs are for different countries. The issue you mentioned is a very global one across all products in the world. And yet, your "cost analysis" is so flawed that caused all these negative feelings about a brand (that I personally do not use nor have any affiliation with). Rather being upset at how things are moderated, it might be better to reflect on yourself and why we do what we do.
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