organisers who don't keep promises!!!

[TheQuestion]

bros and sis, dont argue over such petty things ....

just for your information, long before your time, organizers NEVER provide refreshments at all. Photographers will have to buy their own during interval.
It is only here at CS that organizers got creative and competitive that they started serving home-made breakfast and drinks .... :dunno:

just take it that any refreshments provided is a bonus and you will be more appreciative. :sweatsm:

Dennisc, the organizer for the Sun shoot walked all the way (200m) to buy Frappuccino from Starbucks Coffee for all of us (must have cost him around $50). Frankly I never expected anything from him since the shoot is rather budget but that was a very generous act of him.

well said. exactly people here are acting like a bunch of privileged brats expect to be waited on hand and foot at these shoots.

 

[dennisc]

I've just read this. Hmm.. ok here's my answers

1. For the lingerie shoot, the original hotel disallowed group photography. I've paid the hotel and gotten a loss. However, due to the fact I've scheduled and promised a shoot on Sun, I managed to book a lower end one, BUT, it was a suite, at the same cost as the 5 star. I make do with something of equal price and bigger floor space for everyone. I've paid on my own expense. Oh FYI that hotel cost around 250bucks + model 450bucks. And how much did I charge? 60SGD. Oh yeah... almost forgot

2. Bridal, let's face it, I charged 55$ bucks. Take the cost of bridal outfit, MUA, moreso my models are paid highly. At the end, zero profit for me. It's just for the joy of bringing nice and affordable package for all, in which otherwise, will cost people a ton. Did I or did I not deliver the promise?

Only thing I didn't was to bring the reflector. Why? Because I haven't slept the entire night, due to emergency reason, didn't even went home after my Sat's event! Has anyone asked me why? But I managed to keep a calm demeanor, as for the controlled poses, you need some control for the models otherwise, they wouldn't know where she's posing. I have more than delivered, why cry over spilled milk?

I wasn't really shooting much, just some snapshots here and there. There was only 1 instance whereby I controlled the bride for myself, in which it was at breaktime for all. What's wrong with that? Rest of the time, I instruct the model to correct her poses. That's what people usually do in REAL shoots. Click my pic below, look at her face portrait with white background. That was it. You wouldn't shoot you won't know.

No nice pics? too bad for you. I'm happy with my snapshots. Practice harder maybe next time you'll get some. Taken your advice, will try harder, my apologies.

 

[ModelShooterz]

Heheh bingo Luckily there are people who still think this way

It's not whether the organizer also shoots or not, but whether the organizer delivers. If the organizer delivers, who cares if he were also shooting?

If not, nothing else matters.

 

[ModelShooterz]

I believe I was one of the first to start this perk, which everyone later caught on and now its a mainstay, and if not, a prerequisite that people demand for nowadays. How things have changed since then *reminices*

just for your information, long before your time, organizers NEVER provide refreshments at all. Photographers will have to buy their own during interval.

 

[wheresmycheese]

bros and sis, dont argue over such petty things ....

just for your information, long before your time, organizers NEVER provide refreshments at all. Photographers will have to buy their own during interval.
It is only here at CS that organizers got creative and competitive that they started serving home-made breakfast and drinks .... :dunno:

just take it that any refreshments provided is a bonus and you will be more appreciative. :sweatsm:

Dennisc, the organizer for the Sun shoot walked all the way (200m) to buy Frappuccino from Starbucks Coffee for all of us (must have cost him around $50). Frankly I never expected anything from him since the shoot is rather budget but that was a very generous act from him.

we didnt even had drinks

I've just read this. Hmm.. ok here's my answers

1. For the lingerie shoot, the original hotel disallowed group photography. I've paid the hotel and gotten a loss. However, due to the fact I've scheduled and promised a shoot on Sun, I managed to book a lower end one, BUT, it was a suite, at the same cost as the 5 star. I make do with something of equal price and bigger floor space for everyone. I've paid on my own expense. Oh FYI that hotel cost around 250bucks + model 450bucks. And how much did I charge? 60SGD. Oh yeah... almost forgot

2. Bridal, let's face it, I charged 55$ bucks. Take the cost of bridal outfit, MUA, moreso my models are paid highly. At the end, zero profit for me. It's just for the joy of bringing nice and affordable package for all, in which otherwise, will cost people a ton. Did I or did I not deliver the promise?

Only thing I didn't was to bring the reflector. Why? Because I haven't slept the entire night, due to emergency reason, didn't even went home after my Sat's event! Has anyone asked me why? But I managed to keep a calm demeanor, as for the controlled poses, you need some control for the models otherwise, they wouldn't know where she's posing. I have more than delivered, why cry over spilled milk?

I wasn't really shooting much, just some snapshots here and there. There was only 1 instance whereby I controlled the bride for myself, in which it was at breaktime for all. What's wrong with that? Rest of the time, I instruct the model to correct her poses. That's what people usually do in REAL shoots. Click my pic below, look at her face portrait with white background. That was it. You wouldn't shoot you won't know.

No nice pics? too bad for you. I'm happy with my snapshots. Practice harder maybe next time you'll get some. Taken your advice, will try harder, my apologies.

excuses my friend! look how many here are unhappy! surprised instead of apologizing you are covering up your own tracks. like what one of them said, they were unhappy about the organizer not putting their interest at heart and he HIMSELF was busy shooting! in fact there is no need for sarcasm( in bold) how do we shoot when you are blocking us?

seriously we dun care if you didn’t sleep the previous night. you promise you deliver this is the real world. a reflector is as impt as a camera for outdoor portraitures. How experience are you in the poses? professional MUA, yeah right for that super thick eyeliner for bridal you call yourself experience? I really dun wish to pose how bad the make up is.


:thumbsd: for dennisc!!

seems like there are alot unhappy people and alot of them who agree that you didnt do a good job both for this shoot and the other and you trying to pull a fast one

For someone who still refuses to admit his mistakes shows clearly WHAT SORT OF ORGANIZER you are. A piece of advice, take a note from fellow organizer alinkinyourlife who in this very thread intentionally thought it was his fault and apologize sincerely then excuses and more excuses..

i hope the admin can do smth about such organizers !!

 

[photoart]

in my opinion... its always good to under-promise and over-deliver...

like in the case where CANONISED mention that a organiser walked all the way (200m) to buy Frappuccino from Starbucks Coffee for all the shooters. No one expected it but it was a nice gesture which made everyone feel great.

the organiser could have advertised in this post that refreshment includes a starbucks frappe..just to entice more people to join the shoot. but he didnt advertise and actually did it.

 

[wheresmycheese]

in my opinion... its always good to under-promise and over-deliver...

like in the case where CANONISED mention that a organiser walked all the way (200m) to buy Frappuccino from Starbucks Coffee for all the shooters. No one expected it but it was a nice gesture which made everyone feel great.

the organiser could have advertised in this post that refreshment includes a starbucks frappe..just to entice more people to join the shoot. but he didnt advertise and actually did it.

well to be fair. he did it mayeb for he morning shoot but for the afternoon shoot we had nth not even mineral water. thats besides the pt. i tot make up etc etc should be the same because i actually had an exchange of pm with the organsier and he ensured me evening was better!!!!! but wasnt the case!

 

[Canonised]

well to be fair. he did it mayeb for he morning shoot but for the afternoon shoot we had nth not even mineral water. thats besides the pt. i tot make up etc etc should be the same because i actually had an exchange of pm with the organsier and he ensured me evening was better!!!!! but wasnt the case!

bro .... i am not sure about the other shooters, but I am ok with Dennisc for some reasons (fyi, I do not know Denni before the shoot):
1. I have seen and experienced with most of the organizers here, and such as to know their standard, and hence my more "realistic" expectations from such organized shoots .... and I conclude that D is just like anyone of these organizers,
(the "perfect" organizer that DP has in mind, is only a dream).

2. I am in the opinion that $55 for a "reasonably" good model, "reasonably" bridal dress, etc is already a fair deal, and I wouldn't want to get distracted with any misgivings, but just to have some fun and an enjoyable shoot, and making some new friends,...

Why get so worked up with such unhappiness? ... He tried his best, some clients are happy and some are not, and so the next time you see his ads, just skip. It's not like he took your money and didnt have a shoot .... :dunno:

Just to make your day, or to make you feel better, for the morning shoot, the MUA didn't turn up (for some reasons). Mag C did the make up herself and our poor Denni helped her with the rest (we thought he was the MUA). All of us knew we didnt have the "pro" makeup, but we proceed to have a good time. I could feel that both Mag and Den were somehow regretful about not having the MUA, even thou they didnt voice out..... and I supposed they tried their best to get the MUA to finish the afternoon job.

I am sure that if Den was going to con you, he would not have engaged the MUA for the afternoon shoot. :think:

and one more thing, in the morning shoot, we suggested a hand bouquet for the bride, but knowing that it's not cheap we didn't really insist. But in the afternoon, Den got hold of one for the shooters.

Have a nice day! :angel:

 

[eileenksj]

I've just read this. Hmm.. ok here's my answers

1. For the lingerie shoot, the original hotel disallowed group photography. I've paid the hotel and gotten a loss. However, due to the fact I've scheduled and promised a shoot on Sun, I managed to book a lower end one, BUT, it was a suite, at the same cost as the 5 star. I make do with something of equal price and bigger floor space for everyone. I've paid on my own expense. Oh FYI that hotel cost around 250bucks + model 450bucks. And how much did I charge? 60SGD. Oh yeah... almost forgot

I wasn't really shooting much, just some snapshots here and there. There was only 1 instance whereby I controlled the bride for myself, in which it was at breaktime for all. What's wrong with that? Rest of the time, I instruct the model to correct her poses. That's what people usually do in REAL shoots. Click my pic below, look at her face portrait with white background. That was it. You wouldn't shoot you won't know.

No nice pics? too bad for you. I'm happy with my snapshots. Practice harder maybe next time you'll get some. Taken your advice, will try harder, my apologies.

Ask yourself the night before the shoot, you sent out a sms location is changed and said you will give an explanation on the shoot that itself why location is changed. until today nothing was being explained.

the suite room was not even the first room. The first room was so small. i did check with you the night before the room changed you ensure that the rooms is big not small. but when i reached they it was a very small room. which you wanted or try to accomodate 6-8 plus your accompanies. image how it would be like if all of us in the room.

after much persuasion from photographers then you went down the hotel lobby to change. What was even your first intention if the photographers did not persuade you to change the room?

Where are the props (sheep fur etc) and bouns? so during the bridal shoot you got personal reasons you forgotten to bring. So on 22nd the camy shoot also forgotten to bring?

lastly, where got people leave the hotel room door ajar for the convenience go in and out the room to risk the photographers inside. what if the hotel personnel chase ask out and call the police?

 

[dennisc]

1. For the lingerie, I've booked the prestigious hotel and paid. They disallowed group photography. Changed to an equal priced hotel room, much bigger room at my own expense, to ensure the event will be definate. Smsed all the photographers the night before, all fine with the new location save for one or two. Brought in mee goreng at the guest models expense (shes someone very dear and near to me), I ran to get 2 X 1.5L bottle drinks and 6packs of Lychee for the session. What's short was the cups, I apologise. My mistake is on This. Props the model forgot to bring in. Door was a bit ajar, just left it slightly opened for awhile at the start, due to the in out influx of photographers, closed it after you advised. But I've managed to secure the model, lingeries, constant light strobes, and the rest. Drinks and location wise, I'll improve on it, my apologies, I understand your point and dissapointment, I might be unhappy too. Apologies to Eileen and Pegasus and thanks I'll improve in it! I see your point, you've given some good feedbacks. I've explained to the photographers who asked about the sudden change of location. I'm explaining to you now, hope you understand. I kept it alive, though it also meant I've to lose a few hundreds on it. I didn't mind.

2. For wheresmycheese, the only time I was in a position of blocking was when I instructed the model to shift her pose or advice her on it. And I was aware the only time I was to block was when the photographers were taking a break, I asked the model to spare me a min while I take her portrait (link below, her face with white background), suddenly I noticed you were behind me and started shooting! If you wish to complain about the makeup, that cannot be helped. The tutor is a renowned MUA, whose name I won't taint. I apologize for the reflector, as I've mentioned I wasn't at home. However, that's what fill in flashes are for. I'll work on the reflector and drinks.

Bottomline reflectors, drinks. Skills, bad composition, bad mood day, etc that... no organisers will be liable for that.

 

[pegasus1010]

Bravo to organiser for speaking up to clear the air. I humbly request TS to close this thread if TS is happy with organiser explanation. This is just so the thread will not degenerate further by some kid blasting post of no real useful value while hiding behind his monitor.

 

[roygoh]

I feel that this is a good discussion to have, so I have reopened the thread, done some clean-up, and moved it to the feedback section.

Please be civil and focus the discussion on the following things:

1. Provide feedback to shoot organisers with the intention of helping them improve their services. Do not treat this as just an avenue for venting.

2. Shoot organizers can provide clarification and feedback also, as well as gather feedback from your current and potential customers.

I hope this thread does not have to be closed again, and that is completely dependent on how we choose to participate in this discussion.

Thanks.

-Roy

 

[surrephoto]

we didnt even had drinks



excuses my friend! look how many here are unhappy! surprised instead of apologizing you are covering up your own tracks. like what one of them said, they were unhappy about the organizer not putting their interest at heart and he HIMSELF was busy shooting! in fact there is no need for sarcasm( in bold) how do we shoot when you are blocking us?

seriously we dun care if you didn’t sleep the previous night. you promise you deliver this is the real world. a reflector is as impt as a camera for outdoor portraitures. How experience are you in the poses? professional MUA, yeah right for that super thick eyeliner for bridal you call yourself experience? I really dun wish to pose how bad the make up is.


:thumbsd: for dennisc!!

seems like there are alot unhappy people and alot of them who agree that you didnt do a good job both for this shoot and the other and you trying to pull a fast one

For someone who still refuses to admit his mistakes shows clearly WHAT SORT OF ORGANIZER you are. A piece of advice, take a note from fellow organizer alinkinyourlife who in this very thread intentionally thought it was his fault and apologize sincerely then excuses and more excuses..

i hope the admin can do smth about such organizers !!

You sound like a once famous bar chor mee vendor...

Pun - "Why you say you didn't don't want to bring reflector but you say you sorry you didn't bring reflector!? Es-prain!"

Seriously, I feel dennisc has apologised by admitting to all his shortcomings and faults...

 

[Deadpoet]

Bravo to organiser for speaking up to clear the air. I humbly request TS to close this thread if TS is happy with organiser explanation. This is just so the thread will not degenerate further by some kid blasting post of no real useful value while hiding behind his monitor.

I have to disagree, and I agree with Roy regarding unlocking this thread.

If apology is what is sought, then the usefulness of this thread is over.
If that is the case, this thread serves no purpose other than venting of fustration, and to some degree, revenge agianst the organizer.

If we see better shoots being organized, because of discussion here, then, this will be a constructive thread. As to those idiots blasting while hiding behind a nick, we always merely ignore and disregard them, so, why not do it here also?

 

[sORe-EyEz]

photoshoot virgin here :embrass:, maybe CS as a whole could get majority if not all to agree to some basic SOP & draft out a sticky of What (not) to expect in a Photoshoot. include a list norms.

when more info is provided & adhered to, it may encourage more to sign up? :think:

if the suggestions have little or no merit please point out the flaws.

also, can CS have a course of action taken against a few (or just 1) black sheep? make know the penalties & make it known in the Photoshoot thread? is it too harsh? if so does anyone have a milder alternative? contribute in good faith. :angel:

i guess when money is involved there is a certain level of expectations.

 

[kel77]

Most of the stuff have already been voiced out by wheresmycheese on the shoot.

Just to add, there were quite a number of passers by who were happily snapping away at the model that got her agitated.

I feel this is where the organiser could have stepped in to stop them.

 

[yqt]

Just to add, there were quite a number of passers by who were happily snapping away at the model that got her agitated.

I feel this is where the organiser could have stepped in to stop them.

I have to disagreed. You can't ask the organiser to stop passerby from shooting the model when you're in a plubic place. Remember, you're in a public place and every passer by have the right to shoot things/people in a public place. The organiser have no right to stop them and it would not be fair to expect them to do so.

About the model being agitated with passer by snapping her, I guess she have to know that professionally, she's a model at that point in time, her respondsibility is to the photographer, weather she like it or not she still have to perform her best for the photographers and not let her personal feelings get the best of her. As a professional, she should expect that things like this may happen in a public place. I know this may sound harsh but this is what is expected of professional models and those hoping to be one have to know what to expect.

 

[denniskee]

Most of the stuff have already been voiced out by wheresmycheese on the shoot.

Just to add, there were quite a number of passers by who were happily snapping away at the model that got her agitated.

I feel this is where the organiser could have stepped in to stop them.

bro,

even police cant stop people from taking street shoot in public space. what can org do?

 

[sORe-EyEz]

if nobody thinks any effort is any useful to organisers & participants alike den brute market forces will be the final arbitor... :embrass:

 

[UchihaItachi]

If not happy can seek a refund at the spot, now say also no use only make everything cloudy like an illusion. but of course this is low level illusions as compared to what my mangekyou sharingan can do.

Tsukuyomi on the people and you all imagine yourself taking photos, everything swee swee.