Only for those who want to learn Something.

[Free Agent]

I'm doing an event Photography for a friend tomorrow Sat 210407 in a hotel .(12.30 to 4pm) Free food supply .

And I'm looking for one hardworking and responsible young man or lady to learn from me . You need to own a basic digital SLR camera with flash , you will not get any fees as you are allowed to shoot side by side with me just to learn , images taken by you is for trianing purpose only , you cannot use these images for any commercial purpose or your website .

The deal is that i can train you and later I can give you some pr job and at the same time you can asisst me in my commercial shoot , (this depend on your learning atitube) .

It's a very long learning process , if you think you can take the challenge just buzz in .

Pan
Regards

 

[furideriku]

i love to join u ! but i have classes tomolo !

 

[Optodexine]

Perhaps in future you can give a short write up to introduce yourself to explain to us what makes you qualified to give us training advice?

Please provide experience, past companies, awards and of course, proposed training guidelines or areas covered.

Will the trainee's photos go to you too? Or does he just keep them for himself?

 

[cosycatus]

Perhaps in future you can give a short write up to introduce yourself to explain to us what makes you qualified to give us training advice?

Please provide experience, past companies, awards and of course, proposed training guidelines or areas covered.

Will the trainee's photos go to you too? Or does he just keep them for himself?

why are you so obnoxious?
This is not good learning attitude :nono: ....to demand so much from others who are willingly to teach.

 

[blazer_workz]

why are you so obnoxious?
This is not good learning attitude :nono: ....to demand so much from others who are willingly to teach.

Clarity and transparency is the way to go in CS..this will avoid unecessary exploitation and misunderstanding..

Upzz for FreeAgent..:thumbsup:

 

[vince123123]

I do think its important to state in advance what will be done to the trainee's photographs.

 

[Free Agent]

Ps read the title leh , it's only for those who want to learn something .

If I need to state who i'm , what i'm doing , can i ask you guys one wonderful question is who are you , you want to learn or to take up my challenge?

I like those who are really true about themself and can make me feel that they are the one I can relate to , relating them to my work , inspiring them about who they and what they can do in the future .

If your question need many of my time then I don't think I could even dare to share my opportunity with you at all . If you are worried about your picture then need not try me at all because I'm not interested in any other thing than an open opportunity for myself and some people who would like to go to a shoot with me . Cocky people can have their voice being heard but ps don't affect others.

Think for others before you write , don't have to act so smart and let others feel lousy with your words . But however I found many people here are very good , their spirit is good , although at one time I could only work with one of you guys and gers out here but still I want you people to know that I'm thankful to those who had work with me and thankful for those who PM in with their interest in engaging Photography .

For any who really read my request here I'll always try to state a deal with you in exchange for your hard work and effort and in this process I must feel that you work up to my expectation ( This really take a long time to reach at good level )and can handle the situation with responsibility as well .

Cheers and :thumbsup: for those who love our arts and give me the opportunity to work with you guys and gers .


Pan

 

[vince123123]

Are you saying that it is a very unreasonable request to know in advance what happens to the images taken by your students?

 

[cjl]

If your question need many of my time then I don't think I could even dare to share my opportunity with you at all .......

Very irony abt ur above when u posted such long answer back.

Anyway, I believe vince123123 might be concerned abt the abuse of cheap labour happening here. There;s a thread on this :

http://forum.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=52764

Of coz, it makes a good opp for those who are willing to learn if they are also willing to give up the ownership of the photographs he/she took. However, not everyone sees eye to eye on every issues

 

[ellery]

This could be a YMWV comment:- there is a difference between you scratch my back and I will scratch yours and scratch my back for free.

It's ok when starting out to freebies for the experience even if you are doing a commercial job where some one else collects the cash for the effort after all you get to learn things and well they also get to bear the responsibilty of using non pros if you screw up. Been there done that. However most pro's who respect good workmanship do arrange for some kinda of token fee - been there seen that after all the pros are getting paid for what the intern is gonna do for free.

Cheers if you are interested in a 2 way deal you can contact me. Done these before may do it if the job has something that has mutual benifit on both side.

 

[deckard]

those who want to learn something I suggest you take up courses or read books or just take more pictures, this is the best way to learn.

 

[ellery]

those who want to learn something I suggest you take up courses or read books or just take more pictures, this is the best way to learn.

After that you still need to work under fire.... trust me no matter what ever the course taught or you read nothing is ever the same as doing it as a commercial job. Been there seen and done that. You learn so much faster and more working commercially but working under fire is not for every one.

 

[Free Agent]

Wow so much question , me just want an sincere helping hand .

Ok this is a business deal and I want to share my business opportunity with someone here .

I started 15 years ago as a cheap labour , I love Photography and I work for all the big studio in singapore , I hardly make enough to feed myself , at my time we respect all our Boss , I think they are all God . But many things are different now Boss don't use the F word to you now but at our time you better take the f word orelse you will not even come close to opportunity , just think about this if you think you are cheap then forever your opportunity are less than other , the example is myself . I don't feel that I'm cheap labour , I feel that there will be hardship gain and losses .

Whats is abuse to this form of art ? Do you have a union to support you , if not , I think you guys better think hard , be fair to others , let them have the opportunity to understand themselve , not all people know what they want , their imagination are great for this Art , give them time to see whether is this suitable for them .

Working for any Photography Business in Singapore , it's a clear understanding that the picture you had taken for the company is a business property for the Client and acting as the Company who was being engage over any project from the Client held responsibilty to the images . So now do you think the image right go to you , your client or the company who give you job ? I can recommend our Photography lawyer to you if you think you want to know more .


Pan

And again for those who are interested , thank you .

 

[Deadpoet]

Dear Mr. Free Agent,

What you are looking for is a free PA and maybe if the person is lucky, can be promoted to a free apprentist. Tha is ok, just say so in the first place.

Btw, you told us you are a 15 years vetran in the photography industry. Good for you. Care to show us some of your work?

I am thinking before I write. I do not make money whatsoever from photography. But it pains me to see photographers being taken advantage of, especially those new in the craft. Worst, is to see photographers taking advantage of other photographers.

 

[XC Pictorial]

But it pains me to see photographers being taken advantage of, especially those new in the craft. Worst, is to see photographers taking advantage of other photographers.

No choice but to agree with DP this time.

You said it all.

 

[XC Pictorial]

free PA

 

[snowspeeder]

Perhaps there's some good intentions to share on the part of the TS here. I don't know, just assuming. But whatever the case, I'm thinking, is it so hard to be transparent with the facts and details? I think not. What's the worst thing that can happen for being open?

 

[jnet6]

For the thread starter have good intention to give others a chance to learn and it will be proud for the "learner" to have the pictures as personal portfolio to show others personally by prints. How do you think?

Maybe free agent can clarify the handling of photos taken by "learner" clearer, so as not to introduce more not so useful post in this thread.

 

[vince123123]

Actually, I'm not so much as concerned about cheap labour as much as both sides MUST know IN ADVANCE what both are going into BEFORE actualy taking on the task. It would be bad if expectations are not aligned and one thinks different from the other.

To me, it isn't clear what happens to the student's phtoos, so this point should be made clear before any student signs up. Otherwise imagine this:

Scenario A:

Teacher (T): Okay job done, give me your photos and I'll use it to give the client.
Student (S): No! You never say msut give, so its mine. Too bad for you.
T: WTF?!?! Then how I pass the client?
S: Your business, cos you never say.

or B:

T: Okay job done, give me your photos and I'll use it to give the client.
S: Huh? must give meh?
T: Yes, otherwise I don't let you leave this place and I'll spread your name smelly smelly to every other professional. It is common practice in the industry that students give teachers.
S: (not knowing better and being pushed into a corner) okay lor.....

Very irony abt ur above when u posted such long answer back.

Anyway, I believe vince123123 might be concerned abt the abuse of cheap labour happening here. There;s a thread on this :

http://forum.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=52764

Of coz, it makes a good opp for those who are willing to learn if they are also willing to give up the ownership of the photographs he/she took. However, not everyone sees eye to eye on every issues

 

[vince123123]

In a normal case and in the absence of an agreement otherwise, yes the copyright belongs to the person who commissioend the job.

However, in THIS case, it may not be so clear. The company client did not hire the student; it is YOU who hired the student. The student has no obligation to the company nor has the company commissioend the student to do the job. Hence it may not be as clearcut as you say. You may need an express assignment from the student if you want to avoid any problems later on.

Go check with your photography lawyer on the above since you have one.

Working for any Photography Business in Singapore , it's a clear understanding that the picture you had taken for the company is a business property for the Client and acting as the Company who was being engage over any project from the Client held responsibilty to the images . So now do you think the image right go to you , your client or the company who give you job ? I can recommend our Photography lawyer to you if you think you want to know more .


Pan

And again for those who are interested , thank you .