Official Sony A7 or A7r discussion thread


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Thats weird. My RX1R is slightly sharper than my RX1, and at the centre, my 35FE on A7R looks sharper perhaps due to the 36mp sensor.

I also find that the AF of the 35FE is spot on. Very accurate and exceptionally sharp. Most people coming from APS-C or M43 cameras will feel that it is a F2.8 lens which is not wide enough (with m43, there are Voigtlander lenses at f0.95 selling at fraction of the Noctilux 0.95), but actually, for FF A7 and A7R, it is capable enough to produce very nice bokeh.

I probably wont compare it with my 50lux, as it is my best lens for sharpness yet smooth bokeh.




Len is very quite focusing and smooth focusing ring but it seemed I not very used to this light, plastic Len. Definitely sharp as per what many have discussed.

Color is natural on standard setting but my lux 50 has better color (film like) on standard setting and believe the Len got no stability (IS) setting which I don't quite like.

Maybe a bug for manual focusing man.

Sharpness quite on par with the Rx1r but not RX1 IMO.

Len really too light like toy leh.
 

True and fully agreed with "I probably wont compare it with my 50lux, as it is my best lens for sharpness yet smooth bokeh.
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Thats weird. My RX1R is slightly sharper than my RX1, and at the centre, my 35FE on A7R looks sharper perhaps due to the 36mp sensor.

I also find that the AF of the 35FE is spot on. Very accurate and exceptionally sharp. Most people coming from APS-C or M43 cameras will feel that it is a F2.8 lens which is not wide enough (with m43, there are Voigtlander lenses at f0.95 selling at fraction of the Noctilux 0.95), but actually, for FF A7 and A7R, it is capable enough to produce very nice bokeh.

I probably wont compare it with my 50lux, as it is my best lens for sharpness yet smooth bokeh.
 

Thats weird. My RX1R is slightly sharper than my RX1, and at the centre, my 35FE on A7R looks sharper perhaps due to the 36mp sensor.

I also find that the AF of the 35FE is spot on. Very accurate and exceptionally sharp. Most people coming from APS-C or M43 cameras will feel that it is a F2.8 lens which is not wide enough (with m43, there are Voigtlander lenses at f0.95 selling at fraction of the Noctilux 0.95), but actually, for FF A7 and A7R, it is capable enough to produce very nice bokeh.

I probably wont compare it with my 50lux, as it is my best lens for sharpness yet smooth bokeh.

Coming from em5, I am not impressed with the AF speed and accuracy of my A7/35 2.8 combo.
 

But what about the weather sealing?

Body is weather sealed. Kit lens is mentioned to be " dust and moisture resistant" . I wouldn't be using the system out in the rain without an umbrella that's for sure.
 

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Coming from em5, I am not impressed with the AF speed and accuracy of my A7/35 2.8 combo.
You can't expect a system with a shallower DoF to have faster AF, no matter which progress they make it will be always slower than smaller sensors [if both are based on the same technology].
 

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True and fully agreed with "I probably wont compare it with my 50lux, as it is my best lens for sharpness yet smooth bokeh.
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Haha... All the lux poisons around... :bsmilie:
 

You can't expect a system with a shallower DoF to have faster AF, no matter which progress they make it will be always slower than smaller sensors.

I suppose expectations of some are just like cups that can never be filled. I believe even if its a tad faster than what it is right now, there will still be some who wont be satisfied with certain aspects of the system due to anticipated expectations.
 

For anyone still looking for the Sony Semi-Hard screen protector, I just bought 1 at Sony V3 at Sim Lim Square today. $19
 

Hey guys, i read online that the 28-70mm is pretty all right,considering that it is a kit lens.

Anyone care to share their views?

Thanks! :)
 

best is to test it if you have the opportunity. initially, i read that the AF was not fast enough until i tested it myself before buying it.

personally, i like it and find its AF silent, fast and accurate for me on the A7. the construction is decent, doesnt feel "cheapo" to me ;p & also no complains about the details and sharpness so far. for day to day, i have no issue with just using the kit lens.

i just posted some kit lens shots in the image sharing thread http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1338082&page=15 & a few more on my flickr, feel free to check them out.

cheers & take care!

Hey guys, i read online that the 28-70mm is pretty all right,considering that it is a kit lens.

Anyone care to share their views?

Thanks! :)
 

You can't expect a system with a shallower DoF to have faster AF, no matter which progress they make it will be always slower than smaller sensors [if both are based on the same technology].

I don't expect different cameras to hv the same characteristics but i can't believe that people will consider the AF on the A7 to be fast and accurate because I think it's not. And Im discounting objects moving out of the thin focal plane resulting in out of focus shots. Whether its due to sensor size or not, it's def poorer performing that the 5D, 5T and the EM5/EPL5. Also the phase detect does not seem to work that well. I also do sometimes get failure to lock indoors and will require a number of attempts trying to find high contrast areas to get a lock. So I won't say that the AF is a strong point. But when you do get a focused shot, its great.
 

I suppose expectations of some are just like cups that can never be filled. I believe even if its a tad faster than what it is right now, there will still be some who wont be satisfied with certain aspects of the system due to anticipated expectations.

The camera has many good points but I disagree that the AF can be called fast and accurate. It's AF is just not that reliable compared to other cameras i hv used and sometime fails to lock in good indoor light. Dun take my disagreement as expectation not met. Different cameras just have different characteristics. And the AF accuracy and speed is just not its strongest feature.
 

I have a E-M5 and GX7 together with the A7r, which I have been shooting with the FE35 extensively indoors, most recently in a dark event with people moving around. In daylight, I would classify the A7r's AF as excellent and a key feature. It's a tad slower than my M43 twins, but still excellent. It focuses quickly and accurately with street type scenes on people and I seldom miss a focus even at F2.8.

Indoors its a different matter. Sometimes the A7r misses focus and when it does, it tends to focus on an object in the immediate background. For example, I'm trying to shoot some flowers, but it focuses instead on the panel behind the flowers despite having the flowers being mainly in the foreground. With natural indoor light, its usually OK, but it seems to get confused with certain incandescent or LED lighting. Also if you look at 100%, the 36MP sensor tends to amplify any slight mis-focus, so you have really have to nail it. Print size and on the screen/HP slight mis-focus looks fine but not on a monitor at 100%. However, when you nail the focus on the A7r/FE35, the image really pops and looks 3D, something lesser lenses and sensors have difficulty achieving. If you look at many of the shots on the image thread,you can see the effect, but do notice too that many shots posted are mis-focused.

The M43 cameras focus much better in low light. It's either that both Panny and Olympus got it right or there is less computation required for a smaller sensor. Reviewers report that the A7 focus is faster than the Nikon D800 live view focus, so CDAF on a high end DSLR is slow too. It may be something that only time and faster processors, which hopefully don't eat batteries, will solve.

On a side note, the GX7 focuses much better than the E-M5 in very low light. Most people haven't noticed that the GX7 focuses down to -4EV whereas two OMDs focus only to 0EV. I'm amazed that the GX7 can focus fairly quickly without a focus assist light in almost complete darkness.

The solution therefore on the A7r is to manual focus in very low light. It's actually quite easy with FE lenses. All you do is hold down the AF/MF button, and turn the focus ring. You pop into magnified MF mode (with peaking) and it's a snap for me to get the picture in perfect focus. However, I've had a lot of practice with film SLRs AND I still have to hold very steady because of no IBIS. The A7r requires a lot more effort to get a nice sharp shot, but when you do it, the image quality far far exceeds the smaller sensors. So practice, practice, practice....
 

I have a E-M5 and GX7 together with the A7r, which I have been shooting with the FE35 extensively indoors, most recently in a dark event with people moving around. In daylight, I would classify the A7r's AF as excellent and a key feature. It's a tad slower than my M43 twins, but still excellent. It focuses quickly and accurately with street type scenes on people and I seldom miss a focus even at F2.8.

Indoors its a different matter. Sometimes the A7r misses focus and when it does, it tends to focus on an object in the immediate background. For example, I'm trying to shoot some flowers, but it focuses instead on the panel behind the flowers despite having the flowers being mainly in the foreground. With natural indoor light, its usually OK, but it seems to get confused with certain incandescent or LED lighting. Also if you look at 100%, the 36MP sensor tends to amplify any slight mis-focus, so you have really have to nail it. Print size and on the screen/HP slight mis-focus looks fine but not on a monitor at 100%. However, when you nail the focus on the A7r/FE35, the image really pops and looks 3D, something lesser lenses and sensors have difficulty achieving. If you look at many of the shots on the image thread,you can see the effect, but do notice too that many shots posted are mis-focused.

The M43 cameras focus much better in low light. It's either that both Panny and Olympus got it right or there is less computation required for a smaller sensor. Reviewers report that the A7 focus is faster than the Nikon D800 live view focus, so CDAF on a high end DSLR is slow too. It may be something that only time and faster processors, which hopefully don't eat batteries, will solve.

On a side note, the GX7 focuses much better than the E-M5 in very low light. Most people haven't noticed that the GX7 focuses down to -4EV whereas two OMDs focus only to 0EV. I'm amazed that the GX7 can focus fairly quickly without a focus assist light in almost complete darkness.

The solution therefore on the A7r is to manual focus in very low light. It's actually quite easy with FE lenses. All you do is hold down the AF/MF button, and turn the focus ring. You pop into magnified MF mode (with peaking) and it's a snap for me to get the picture in perfect focus. However, I've had a lot of practice with film SLRs AND I still have to hold very steady because of no IBIS. The A7r requires a lot more effort to get a nice sharp shot, but when you do it, the image quality far far exceeds the smaller sensors. So practice, practice, practice....

i couldn't agree more..

i used to have EM5 and though i can say i enjoy the AF very much but to me the shutter lag is the drawback.

once i bought A7 and a manual lens and start to play around with it.. initially i was quite struggling with the focusing..
i was so not used to of MF though i had tried it on my X100s before.. but to me i don't quite like it.. moreover the focus peaking and split image on X100s didn't help me alot..
with A7 i keep practicing and because the EVF is very good i feel it's really useful when comes to MF..
actually only took me few tries now i'm start to enjoying and treasure the MF lens :)
one thing for sure this manual lens is really really sharp when you nail the focus.. and the IQ is top notch

so it's very true that bro tsammyc mentioned above about practice and practice and practice.. :)
 

I don't expect different cameras to hv the same characteristics but i can't believe that people will consider the AF on the A7 to be fast and accurate because I think it's not. And Im discounting objects moving out of the thin focal plane resulting in out of focus shots. Whether its due to sensor size or not, it's def poorer performing that the 5D, 5T and the EM5/EPL5. Also the phase detect does not seem to work that well. I also do sometimes get failure to lock indoors and will require a number of attempts trying to find high contrast areas to get a lock. So I won't say that the AF is a strong point. But when you do get a focused shot, its great.
At the current state how phase detecting is implemented on the same die it will never match a dedicated PD sensor, personally I see it more as a marketing gag. As long as they don't invest in a new sensor design and don't just reuse the same sensors they use for their non on-die DPAF cameras we won't see any big progress. I don't think the sensor business is lucrative enough to justify new developments very often. So far we're still stuck with sensors which seems to be designed almost half a decade ago, the market lacks serious competition.
 

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has anyone tried making the Spot AF area smaller for more accuracy?

as for me, i used the Zeiss 35mm F2.8 in poor lighting conditions and i still managed to get my focus right.
 

has anyone tried making the Spot AF area smaller for more accuracy?

as for me, i used the Zeiss 35mm F2.8 in poor lighting conditions and i still managed to get my focus right.

Haven't will try.
 

has anyone tried making the Spot AF area smaller for more accuracy?

as for me, i used the Zeiss 35mm F2.8 in poor lighting conditions and i still managed to get my focus right.

I have been using the small area AF point with my kit lens.... centre point AF only...
 

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