postal
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Yeah... can try that... I got a kingston 8gb class 4 sd card too... got time I try it out... :-D
Official Canon EOS 60D User Thread Part I
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Yeah... can try that... I got a kingston 8gb class 4 sd card too... got time I try it out... :-D
newtophoto
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postal
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Can try Kingston... class 10 is about the same price as Ultra... search for best bargain price list in hardwarezone... :-D
nightpiper
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Pls read Pg 2, post #29 of this thread.
I dun get it. U guys knew the min for smooth video is class 6 but went ahead & bot a class 4 HOPING it'll work fine. Its like hoping a 1000cc car can go up Genting w/o problems, what r the chances huh?
Btw, i got another 2 more Sandisk 16GB Extreme class 6 for $83 incl GST at AP 2 weeks ago. Comparing ~$65 for Ultra class 4 vs Extreme $83 for class 6, not that big gap le. Again i dun understand, people can afford a $1400 60D body but can't afford to pay extra $18 more for a class 6 SD card.
I'm speechless.....Pls read Pg 2, post #29 of this thread.
I dun get it. U guys knew the min for smooth video is class 6 but went ahead & bot a class 4 HOPING it'll work fine. Its like hoping a 1000cc car can go up Genting w/o problems, what r the chances huh?
Btw, i got another 2 more Sandisk 16GB Extreme class 6 for $83 incl GST at AP 2 weeks ago. Comparing ~$65 for Ultra class 4 vs Extreme $83 for class 6, not that big gap le. Again i dun understand, people can afford a $1400 60D body but can't afford to pay extra $18 more for a class 6 SD card.
It is not a matter about buying.....most people agree that a Class 4 SD card can record HD video. So it is the myth with the SD cards, why some people can shoot and some cannot?
Anyway my latest discover with my SD cards:
I have managed to record video with my old SD cards...
SanDisk Ultra II, 1 GB (No class indication)
Kingston Class 6 8GB
The new SD cards that are not working:
SanDisk Standard Class 4, Blue card
SanDisk Ultra Class 4, 16GB
Any difference among the cards?
postal
New Member
Seriously no idea dude... maybe u are unlucky got a lousy batch of the ultra card... My Lexar card is given free when bought together with 60D and no issues with recording full HD...
alvinsiowks
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i notice if we set the format to NTSC, 1920X1080 becomes 30fps and thats why cannot record more than 10 secs on SDHC class 4.
wah...then thats very unlucky with 2 SD cards:cry:
Like some of the "luckier" 60D owners here, the free card I got is a Lexar Platinium II 8GB. It is rated class 4 but works flawlessly for full HD video on my 60D so far. From the packaging, I notice it says - 9MB/sec Write (minimum). So why do pple recommend to buy class 6? What's this class rating and all the discrepancies about? After doing some reading & from own experience, I've gathered a few things, so thought I should share them here:
1. Class rating guarantees a minimum data size/sec performance. Class 2 means minimum 2MB/sec, so Class 4 is >= 4MB/sec, Class 6 is >=6MB/sec....etc, etc (http://www.funtechtalk.com/sdhc-cards-what-does-the-class-mean-2-4-6/). But note this is just the minimum. Doesn't mean that a card can't perform faster than its rating. As shown in this detailed review, some class 4 cards can do better than some class 6 cards.
2. According to the 60D camera specs in the manual, full HD data filesize is approximately 330MB per minute of video, which works out to be about 5.5MB/sec. There might some momentary increases during recording, but it shouldn't exceed too much for too long, and since there is also a memory buffer in the camera, a card that can sustain at least 6MB/sec will be able to handle the full HD recording task. That's why at least a class 6 card (i.e. >=6MB/sec) is recommended in 60D's case.
3. Are there cards labeled class 6 but can't do 6MB/sec? In my experience yes, because I've bought one from eBay rated at class 4 when it is actually class 2. How did I know? Fortunately the camcorder I used it on has the ability to display the speed class of the card. So I believe there are fakes floating around in the market. Also, I've read somewhere (can't remember exact url) that some manufacturer shamelessly publishes class ratings based only on read speeds but not write speeds. This certainly adds to the confusion that most consumer already have about class rating.
Hope the above helps those struggling to understand this issue. One thing I'm not sure is, since the Lexar PII card can do at least 9MB/sec, why don't they label it class 6? (or for that matter class 9!). Wouldn't that help them sell more, or even justify a higher pricing? Keen to hear from any experts around about this....
1. Class rating guarantees a minimum data size/sec performance. Class 2 means minimum 2MB/sec, so Class 4 is >= 4MB/sec, Class 6 is >=6MB/sec....etc, etc (http://www.funtechtalk.com/sdhc-cards-what-does-the-class-mean-2-4-6/). But note this is just the minimum. Doesn't mean that a card can't perform faster than its rating. As shown in this detailed review, some class 4 cards can do better than some class 6 cards.
2. According to the 60D camera specs in the manual, full HD data filesize is approximately 330MB per minute of video, which works out to be about 5.5MB/sec. There might some momentary increases during recording, but it shouldn't exceed too much for too long, and since there is also a memory buffer in the camera, a card that can sustain at least 6MB/sec will be able to handle the full HD recording task. That's why at least a class 6 card (i.e. >=6MB/sec) is recommended in 60D's case.
3. Are there cards labeled class 6 but can't do 6MB/sec? In my experience yes, because I've bought one from eBay rated at class 4 when it is actually class 2. How did I know? Fortunately the camcorder I used it on has the ability to display the speed class of the card. So I believe there are fakes floating around in the market. Also, I've read somewhere (can't remember exact url) that some manufacturer shamelessly publishes class ratings based only on read speeds but not write speeds. This certainly adds to the confusion that most consumer already have about class rating.
Hope the above helps those struggling to understand this issue. One thing I'm not sure is, since the Lexar PII card can do at least 9MB/sec, why don't they label it class 6? (or for that matter class 9!). Wouldn't that help them sell more, or even justify a higher pricing? Keen to hear from any experts around about this....
nightpiper
Senior Member
I dun think its min speed rating on the classes. Its more like a theoretical no. (peak burst at most) very much like ur SATA2 interface. Rated 3Gb/s but when u do a test, its barely 480Mb/s (even peak burst). Constant data throughput is even lower.
Also can't compare with different brands/models & P&S cams, cos they have different compression settings resulting different data. Although 60D rated 5.5MB/s, but i highly doubted it. From the looks its more like 3MB/s quality to me. The Singtel MIO & Starhub HD even worse, much lower than that & much higher compression.
Juz get a class 6 card & no more worries. Shoot at ease la, why risk? Not like class 6 is super duper expensive le.
nightpiper
Senior Member
Technically no issue, but reliability? That's a big factor for me to consider. I dun want unnecessary surprises outside, if u know what i mean
The Lexar packaging clearly states (though in fine print) that the "9MB/s Write" is "Minimum sustained write speed capability". So I guess you are right to say that Class rating don't mean much for "constant data throughput" which is the real deal. But if that's the case, I'm confused why you still recommend others to simply "just get a class 6 card"?
nightpiper
Senior Member
Class 6 is faster than class 4 right? Class 4 is borderline case but class 6 is above that threshold. Class 10 too ex so i dun recommend lor, something more "down to earth" pricing & gets the job done. U get what i mean?
So far class 6 can handle all DSLR HD recordings. Only exception ATM is the GH1 hack, that hack brings the data higher than normal, Class 10 is needed.
So far class 6 can handle all DSLR HD recordings. Only exception ATM is the GH1 hack, that hack brings the data higher than normal, Class 10 is needed.
It seems not always the case that Class 6 is faster than Class 4, as I discovered in the article I posted earlier. Here's is their page with updated data rates of popular SDHC cards.
You will see from the charts that some higher Class rated ones don't perform as well as lower Class rated ones, so a lot depends on the brand. It probably explains why some brands are much more expensive than others even though same Class, or why even some lower Class rated ones from one brand is more expensive than a higher Class rated one from another brand.
So in summary my take is still this:
A true (i.e. not fake, or over-rated) Class 6 card should have no problem handling 60D video because the 6MB/s minimum sustained write speed is higher than the 5.5MB/s requirement of 60D videos. Some better performing Class 4 cards can also handle 60D video because the Class rating doesn't limit the upper speed (as has been the case with the 9MB/s Lexar Platinium II Class 4 cards that some of us have been given).
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Hi guys...
Just wanna share with everyone of what I have found out from the technician at SanDisk when I visit them to check on my SD cards. Anyway I have top-up for the Extreme HD Video Class 6 Card...8GB and 16GB
During the conversation with the technician, he said that the SanDisk Class 4 cards (Standard or Ultra)available right now are made with the recent 3rd generation chipset. SanDisk has basically remove the capability of DSLR HD video recording on their Class 4 cards and push the job of HD video recording to their new range of Extreme HD video Class 6 SD cards. So for the CSers who claimed that their Ultra cards are recording well will probably have the 2nd Generation chipset. Basically SanDisk is extending the Class range to make people spend more, just like how Canon reposition their xxxD, xxD, xD series....
SanDisk Class 4 is still able to record video on compact cams and family camcorder. Semi-Pro and Pro series will need to get the Extreme products.
So maybe the Class 4 SD cards of other brands will be a cheaper option for video recording.
Hi guys...
Just wanna share with everyone of what I have found out from the technician at SanDisk when I visit them to check on my SD cards. Anyway I have top-up for the Extreme HD Video Class 6 Card...8GB and 16GB
During the conversation with the technician, he said that the SanDisk Class 4 cards (Standard or Ultra)available right now are made with the recent 3rd generation chipset. SanDisk has basically remove the capability of DSLR HD video recording on their Class 4 cards and push the job of HD video recording to their new range of Extreme HD video Class 6 SD cards. So for the CSers who claimed that their Ultra cards are recording well will probably have the 2nd Generation chipset. Basically SanDisk is extending the Class range to make people spend more, just like how Canon reposition their xxxD, xxD, xD series....
SanDisk Class 4 is still able to record video on compact cams and family camcorder. Semi-Pro and Pro series will need to get the Extreme products.
So maybe the Class 4 SD cards of other brands will be a cheaper option for video recording.
Hey guys, am new to clubsnap and also a new 60D user 
Since you guys are on the topic of SD cards and its differing classes, I shall try and enlighten the situation abit.
Currently I am using two 8gb and one 16gb Sandisk card at speeds class 2, 4 and 6 respectively.
For both the class 2 and 4, video recording stops at around 5 seconds, but with the class 6 it was of no issue.
So there, do buy cards class 6 and above if you want to ensure smooth video recording
Since you guys are on the topic of SD cards and its differing classes, I shall try and enlighten the situation abit.
Currently I am using two 8gb and one 16gb Sandisk card at speeds class 2, 4 and 6 respectively.
For both the class 2 and 4, video recording stops at around 5 seconds, but with the class 6 it was of no issue.
So there, do buy cards class 6 and above if you want to ensure smooth video recording
Agree! Im a new 60D user and was given a class 4 SD. Recording stopped around 5 secs too! So now going to hunt for the sacred class 6 cards! Argh!
Any1 here would recommend a 17-40 L lens for my wide angle shoots? Mostly its for traveling purposes though...Now on a 18-200mm ...
Still deciding whether to go for a BNIB or second hand here...=D
Advice?
Thanks!
Any1 here would recommend a 17-40 L lens for my wide angle shoots? Mostly its for traveling purposes though...Now on a 18-200mm ...
Still deciding whether to go for a BNIB or second hand here...=D
Advice?
Thanks!
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