esoeij
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How come? The 5D3's AF is one of its strengths and probably the most major upgrade over the 5D2.
OFFICIAL: CANON EOS 5D Mark III - User Thread - Part 5
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How come? The 5D3's AF is one of its strengths and probably the most major upgrade over the 5D2.
I got it more for the FF sensor than anything else and to use it for portrait works, but after seeing how well the AF performs, this will definitely be my go to camera for Sports when I don't need the 1.6x range found in APSC.
raydio
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Before owning the 5D3, I had a 7D and 5D classic. The 5D3 combines the best of both great cameras and offers even more!
I couldn't agree more.
I had a higher hit rate of in focus shots with the 5D3 than 60D when in servo mode. This could of course be partially due in part to the lenses used? Im not really sure.
5D3 - 24-70 f2.8mk2.
60D - 70-200 f4 is
i would say that i have under-use most of features except ISO 128,000 and 63 AF points.
I still find it a "Not that Fast" (Shutter lag) camera, maybe because i spend more time thinking (my own processing time) + "select the right AF point" before i press the shutter. If 6D is available, it should be good enough for me.
I still find it a "Not that Fast" (Shutter lag) camera, maybe because i spend more time thinking (my own processing time) + "select the right AF point" before i press the shutter. If 6D is available, it should be good enough for me.
Turbonetics
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Not true.
FF and cropped sensor are for different purpose.
There is no 1 camera that provides best of everything.
oracle0711
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I will not say it is for different purposes. It was designed to cater to 2 different segments of market from the perspective of revenue generation. Creating the sold called "purpose" is purely a marketing positioning so that it can stimulate demand from different group of consumers. This is so that the manufacturer is able to make money from as many segments as possible.
In terms of technical competency, the 1Dx is able to do everything. That is, combining speed and full frame. If purely FOV is in discussion, the right lens should able to provide the effect needed instead of relying on more than 1 type of sensor.
In terms of technical competency, the 1Dx is able to do everything. That is, combining speed and full frame. If purely FOV is in discussion, the right lens should able to provide the effect needed instead of relying on more than 1 type of sensor.
Turbonetics
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do u care to explain the 2 different market segments?
from my point of view,there are too many different type of photographers having too many different needs.
unless u are shooting specific genre,otherwise FF and cropped sensor does play a different role.
FF will always lose out in reach against cropped sensor.
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oracle0711
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Again, I do not agree with the fact that FF will always lose out in reach against cropped sensor. Simply put, what you see on a cropped sensor is a smaller section (or cropped section) of the sensor, creating a field of view as if you are using a longer lens. To get the same effect, you either use a larger MP full frame and cropped accordingly or if you want, use a longer lens to get the reach and framing.
As for market segments, cropped sensors (1.6x fov) was created to look at the larger consumer market when digital SLR first launched. The 1ds Mark 1 (1d mark 1 (1.3x fov at 4mp) was at 12mp while the 10d and 100d was at 6mp. There were other models back then but lets for simplicity sake, just ignore the older technology. The segment at that time was simpler - entry level (100d), semi-pro (10d) and professional segment (1ds Mk1 for size or 1d Mk1 for speed). Models evolved from there but still retained the 3 series xxxd, xxd, and xd series. But as technology improves and people are more willing to spurge on more expensive equipment such as hobbyists and people who aspire to be "pro" start spending more money on the top segment. Canon of course decides to make things more interesting for a higher fps market with the 7d and hopeful that there is a big enough market (which there is) to milk more from this group who wants higher fps but still not willing to go the 1d Mark 4 or the 1dx route.
So now, you can roughly have the following segments:
1.6x FOV
1) 600d, 650d, 700d will be mass consumers, entry levels, people starting out with dslr or anyone who thing dslr can take better pictures...
2) 60d, 70d will be the semi-pro market or entrly-levels feeling that they have master enough to upgrade themselves to a better camera (better built, and slightly better features such as better noise control, etc)
3) 7d - the high fps segment but for users who felt that spending on the 1dx is way too much
Fullframe
5d mark 3 - some considered this the pro segment while some considered the semi-pro segment. Here users want full frame and higher mp over other things. High fps is definitely not needed for this segment.
1dx - now this used to be 2 segments in the past - fast fps 1.3 fov versus high mp FF. Canon has yet to introduce anything above 22mp (but just a matter of time). The launch of the 1dx is a testing point to see how the professional market segment will evolve if full frame and high fps comes together into its flagship top of the end mode.
The whole idea of market segmentation is to ensure you cover all the market. Creating products differentiation for each segment so that buyers' needs are being addressed or perceived to be addressed. With that strategy, it makes it a bit more difficult for consumers to chose and hopefully they pick one so that they do not go over to the competition.
I just prefer to look at size of sensors (cropped versus full frame) as tool for marketing positioning as compared to being different roles. In reality, the game can be changed such that all dslr are full frames and the positioning would be on features just like the good old film days where 35mm is 35mm - just 1 format for slr.
As for market segments, cropped sensors (1.6x fov) was created to look at the larger consumer market when digital SLR first launched. The 1ds Mark 1 (1d mark 1 (1.3x fov at 4mp) was at 12mp while the 10d and 100d was at 6mp. There were other models back then but lets for simplicity sake, just ignore the older technology. The segment at that time was simpler - entry level (100d), semi-pro (10d) and professional segment (1ds Mk1 for size or 1d Mk1 for speed). Models evolved from there but still retained the 3 series xxxd, xxd, and xd series. But as technology improves and people are more willing to spurge on more expensive equipment such as hobbyists and people who aspire to be "pro" start spending more money on the top segment. Canon of course decides to make things more interesting for a higher fps market with the 7d and hopeful that there is a big enough market (which there is) to milk more from this group who wants higher fps but still not willing to go the 1d Mark 4 or the 1dx route.
So now, you can roughly have the following segments:
1.6x FOV
1) 600d, 650d, 700d will be mass consumers, entry levels, people starting out with dslr or anyone who thing dslr can take better pictures...
2) 60d, 70d will be the semi-pro market or entrly-levels feeling that they have master enough to upgrade themselves to a better camera (better built, and slightly better features such as better noise control, etc)
3) 7d - the high fps segment but for users who felt that spending on the 1dx is way too much
Fullframe
5d mark 3 - some considered this the pro segment while some considered the semi-pro segment. Here users want full frame and higher mp over other things. High fps is definitely not needed for this segment.
1dx - now this used to be 2 segments in the past - fast fps 1.3 fov versus high mp FF. Canon has yet to introduce anything above 22mp (but just a matter of time). The launch of the 1dx is a testing point to see how the professional market segment will evolve if full frame and high fps comes together into its flagship top of the end mode.
The whole idea of market segmentation is to ensure you cover all the market. Creating products differentiation for each segment so that buyers' needs are being addressed or perceived to be addressed. With that strategy, it makes it a bit more difficult for consumers to chose and hopefully they pick one so that they do not go over to the competition.
I just prefer to look at size of sensors (cropped versus full frame) as tool for marketing positioning as compared to being different roles. In reality, the game can be changed such that all dslr are full frames and the positioning would be on features just like the good old film days where 35mm is 35mm - just 1 format for slr.
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I think here lies the flaw of the argument? The same given lens will ALWAYS give a greater reach. No?
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oracle0711
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Is it a reach or simply a crop? For argument sake, it only makes it seem bigger.
http://digital-photography-school.com/crop-factor-explained
With pixels getting higher on cameras, it makes little difference to the so called reached. If u truly want reach, it is the lens that is more important.
http://digital-photography-school.com/crop-factor-explained
With pixels getting higher on cameras, it makes little difference to the so called reached. If u truly want reach, it is the lens that is more important.
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Does it matter whether it is pure "reach" or a cropped view? I think what matters most is the ability to get the subject into the desired framing.
If I have a 200mm lens and both a crop and ff body. The 200mm mounted on the crop would give me an equivalent FOV of 320mm allowing me to achieve a tighter framing than a 200mm with FF.
Turbonetics
Senior Member
Ok let's compare things on Canon.
I had tried comparing the 5D3(which has the highest MP by far) against the 1D4 and cropped the same image at 100%,the 1D4 still gives a "bigger" image. So if I have the 800mm lens(let's not bring in TC as the argument remains the same) and I need to reach as far as possible,I would go for a 1.6x crop sensor with the highest MP. I had owned the 1D4,1Dx and the 7D.
Even though on the specs,1Dx seems to be performing very well,I still feel iam lacking "something" after asking myself many times,I found out the answer,I needed more cropped for that reach and the higher MP. Therefore iam currently using the 7D because it has the highest crop sensor and MP. But then again, after using it and comparing it against the other 2,it still feels slightly different. If I had a choice to choose among the 3,I would go for the 1D4. The 7D noise performance is pretty poor. My overall performance of the 1Dx is just slightly better than the 1D4. I had never owned the 5D3 before to give any concrete evidence,but the price difference between 1Dx seems to be quite big to justify the extra money spent on that extra features yet still loses out in MP. That's why I said there is no 1 camera that has all the best features in it.
Turbonetics
Senior Member
To add on, I had prefer to do as little crop as possible to retain the pixel and IQ.
I would say 1Dx is by far the best camera,but it stil does not has all the good things packed in it.
It's not a camera that really suits my need just because being FF and lower MP.
I do have a cheapie FF 6D, reason being getting this camera is to shoot mainly wide angle of landscapes. I do not need a fast FPS or tons of focus points for such yet still offering advantages found in FF. MP is not a main concern because I don't do big prints or heavy crop for landscapes.
I would say 1Dx is by far the best camera,but it stil does not has all the good things packed in it.
It's not a camera that really suits my need just because being FF and lower MP.
I do have a cheapie FF 6D, reason being getting this camera is to shoot mainly wide angle of landscapes. I do not need a fast FPS or tons of focus points for such yet still offering advantages found in FF. MP is not a main concern because I don't do big prints or heavy crop for landscapes.
not really, nikon got this build-in crop mode which reduce resolution but increase FPS. How i wish Canon full frame cameras will have such option too.
Otherwise, I can still crop during post processing, there is more than enough megapixels to do so.
Turbonetics
Senior Member
First of all, we are comparing among Canon.
Even if the Nikon camera have this options to switch to crop mode,as u mentioned the resolution will be reduced. If there is really such 1 camera that has all the best features in its own brand, then most people will not be looking at other models and it leaves no room for manufacturer to improve or comes out with different types of specs.
Light Machinery
Senior Member
Hello 5D3 users.
I have been reading the manual a few times and I did not find any entry about customizing the light meter time out delay.
May I know if the light meter time out on the 5D3 can be changed / increased from its default value?
Thanks guys.
I have been reading the manual a few times and I did not find any entry about customizing the light meter time out delay.
May I know if the light meter time out on the 5D3 can be changed / increased from its default value?
Thanks guys.
raydio
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Join this club, just got this bad ass body from canon photo marathon , full frame and fast !
Congratulations on your brand spanking new Canon 5D3. Welcome to the club. Come back often.
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