NEX-VG900 ..

[RyanKhoo]

engage us with clever discussions.

Ooops ... paisay ... I didn't know this forum is only for clever people to discuss amongst themselves. Moderator, please delete this thread if the discussion here is not clever. Sorry.

Seems like after all the people have spoken ... You still don't understand the meaning behind tools vs job.

You find a tool to get your job done ... You don't get a tool because its the latest hoo-hah.

In that case, you should buy a BMC cause thats the real hoo-hah in the industry ... not vg900.

I think the full frame video camera creates more hoo-hah than BMC. Anyway, my discussion lately is only purely strictly EA50H vs VG900. I cannot afford BMC.

And after we talked so much tech on how $50k cameras don't even use Full frame, don't you see that its never about sensor size?

This is what I am trying to find out. I even subscribe to lynda.com. The professionals in those video say from the very beginning & always enphasize as he went along the course that the rule of thumb is "bigger sensor equals better image". That's what he said.

Why would a FF make sense if the image is crap ...

The way you put it is that the image is crap because it is FF. That doesnt make sense otherwise why would the manufacturer race each other to produce one.

The question is this, if a very top professional videographer like you were to use the EA-50H & VG900 at same settings and same environment, which one will produce better image ?

U mean if a very top professional videographer like you were to use the vg900, the image will be crap ?

Lets put it in photographic terms ...

Why is 5D mark 3 at 22mega pixel when even a consumer point and shoot has 38 mega pixel?

I dunno, my wild guess is maybe bcos some the mega pixels are useless & not required or our human eye cannot differentiate the extra mega pixels ?

Why a $4k camera has lesser tech than a $500 camera?

Hahaha .. now it becomes the clever ones asking questions. Difficult question, that is bcos I am not sure which part of the tech u r referring to.

Hope it make sense now ...

Believe me, I am trying to ...

Cheers

Cheers to you too, man !

 

[ageha]

The way you put it is that the image is crap because it is FF.

No. :flush:

 

[RyanKhoo]

Not to offend Ryan but from my observation it seems you're not ready for any cameras the bros mentioned. It's not always about the camera gear. If i give you an F65 and a professional cinematographer an iPhone. The latter obviously can do a better job than you. Instead of worrying so much about the gears, just pick up any devices that records video, go out and practice on your composition. You don't need shallow DOF to get nice shots...

No worries, no offence felt. U are right, I agree with you.

But the thing is both these EA-50H and Vg900 are not out yet, so I cannot buy to practice yet. Thus, in the mean time, I am trying to figure out which is a better camera.

If you have reading problems then look into video sources on youtube, vimeo etc etc..

I have subscribed to lynda.com. The professionals in those video say from the very beginning & always enphasize as he went along the course that the rule of thumb is "bigger sensor equals better image". That's what he said.

 

[Bamboopictures]

I think Ryan is a very cautious shopper. That's ok but what everyone is saying is: There is no such thing as a better camera.

There are so many subjects, genres, looks, sets, locations, scripts, lighting situations each with its own demand. That's why there are so many types of camcorders with different specs. Its not about which is the best, its about what is appropriate for what situation.

To decide what is best for a situation, it is important to understand the how parameters like focal length, f-stops, shutter speed, sensor size, image processor, gain, ISO etc affects the image you are going to get. Again this is not like playing trump card where the highest number wins.

Also important are the ergonomics of the camera, ease of use and the skill level of the user. Also the size of the camera dictates the size of all the accessories that supports it from tripods to sliders to jibs. The size of the equipment than decides the size of the crew and the set up time which then affects the schedule and the size of the budget! Be careful when you buy that EA-50H.

Other factors to consider are space constraint on the angles available, how subjects and venue owners will react to your mode of production.

I've never heard of anyone of complaining a camera is too small for a shot. But try shooting a car interior with a RED.

In short, the NX30 or PJ760 is a great way to start.

 

[XsenseX]

Sorry to sound frustrated. Haha. But actually, I'm not. Just hoping you will see outside of your techie pic of the videography world.

When you mention you cannot afford a BMC, I got a shock out of my life that you didn't even research that the prices of both the vg900 and BMC are almost identical. That's why I catching you on issues where it's ok to be newbie and ask questions but come on, you ask so much but do not know that the vg900 is usd$3300 without lenses. The BMC is usd$3000 without lenses too.

I hope u are not thinking that u can grab a vg900 with a cheap zoom lens and think that's it. I've all I need to shoot.

Like bamboo said, there are so much money to be spent on support systems, rigs, Stablizers, cranes, etc.

If u have the vg900 with a 24-70 with a tripod. A guy with cheaper set up like 60d with cranes, sliders, Stablizers will most prob get better footage than you so it's never always just about cameras.

Peace!

 

[RyanKhoo]

Sorry to sound frustrated. Haha. But actually, I'm not. Just hoping you will see outside of your techie pic of the videography world.

When you mention you cannot afford a BMC, I got a shock out of my life that you didn't even research that the prices of both the vg900 and BMC are almost identical. That's why I catching you on issues where it's ok to be newbie and ask questions ...

I don't know why is there "catching" for you to do ?

Anyway, you are right about the BMC, I thought I read some where BMC is something in the range of $20-50K so obviously I was wrong. But I never seriously consider BMC because they are many complains about it in the Final Cut Pro X forum ... so I just give BMC a pass.[/quote]

but come on, you ask so much but do not know that the vg900 is usd$3300 without lenses.

Not sure where you get that idea from or how you "catch" that ... i think I did post the link of the price of the vg900 in this forum when it was still unofficial or first announced ... so of coz I was aware that the 3300 for vg900 is without lenses

The BMC is usd$3000 without lenses too.

Ok noted with thanks

I hope u are not thinking that u can grab a vg900 with a cheap zoom lens and think that's it. I've all I need to shoot.

Like bamboo said, there are so much money to be spent on support systems, rigs, Stablizers, cranes, etc.

I think I will get only the Sony lenses to start with ...

If u have the vg900 with a 24-70 with a tripod. A guy with cheaper set up like 60d with cranes, sliders, Stablizers will most prob get better footage than you so it's never always just about cameras.

I have never doubted that. My question was all being equal, will the same guy makes a difference using a full frame video camera as compared to a non full frame camera. (And of course that leads to many other sub topics)

It was never a comparison between an amateur like me with a professional like that guy.

Peace!

It always is ... peace ...

 

[BBTM]

This video camera too expensive for an amateur like me. Will get a normal video camera, price range around 1.5k. Mostly going for memory card type, still don't trust those build in hard disk. Sony sg only got those with projector, which I don't like. Hope they can bring in those without.

 

[RyanKhoo]

When will this VG900 available in Singapore ?

 

[ageha]

This video camera too expensive for an amateur like me. Will get a normal video camera, price range around 1.5k. Mostly going for memory card type, still don't trust those build in hard disk. Sony sg only got those with projector, which I don't like. Hope they can bring in those without.

You don't need to use the projector, mate. The PJ760V with slightly bigger sensor and CZ lens is pretty nice, I bought the NTSC model a few weeks ago in Japan.

 

[BBTM]

Local don't sell the non projector type. Btw, vg900 going for $4499! Skip! Unless strike 4D this week end, ha ha! Btw, available on 22nd Nov. To some, it's worth but not to me. Too heavy n bulky if I bring for tour. Got stolen or lost, more heart pain!

 

[Bamboopictures]

Bhphotovideo sells the PAL CX740, (no projector) for around $1300US

 

[RyanKhoo]

.... vg900 going for $4499! .... available on 22nd Nov.

Thanks BBTM but can I know where you get that source of info from ?

22-Nov is only a week away ...

Thanks

 

[BBTM]

Thanks BBTM but can I know where you get that source of info from ?

22-Nov is only a week away ...

Thanks

Some one posted a link when they discussing rx1. Here you go, right at bottom.

http://asia.cnet.com/sony-cyber-shot-dsc-rx1-priced-in-singapore-62219479.htm

 

[RyanKhoo]

Some one posted a link when they discussing rx1. Here you go, right at bottom.

Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX1 priced in Singapore - Crave - Cameras - CNET Asia

Thank you very much. This is good news.

With both EA-50H and VG900 out liao ... dunno which one to buy ...

Thanks again BBTM for the link !

 

[BBTM]

Thank you very much. This is good news.

With both EA-50H and VG900 out liao ... dunno which one to buy ...

Thanks again BBTM for the link !

You are welcome. Specs here. Comparing to VG30.

Sony - Sony introduces first 35mm full-frame Handycam® : : News : Sony Europe Press Centre