NEX-VG900 ..
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Yeah ... Sadly ... Its not a good enough (Sub $5k) upgrade option for lots of people holding 5Ds & GH2 & even VG20.
But lets wait for more graded samples and usage of the rocker zoom & auto focus. Might still be a good B cam for the future.
Bamboopictures
Senior Member
I own a GH2 and a VG20. The VG20 blows the Gh2 out of the water. The VG900 is likely better than VG20 on account of its sensor size. You can't judge aliasing and moire from web video. Only way is to see the rushes direct from the camera.
News of when it is arriving in Spore ?
Thought it would be better to be able to touch & test the camera before buying ...
So, better to buy the Sony EA-50H instead ?
Then VG900 must be good lar ...
Actually, some of the most expensive video camera like those in Canon only have APS-C sensor.
So would like to have your opinion whether a full frame sensor in video camera overkill ?
Thanks
Actually, full frame doesn't mean anything at all if the footage is crap.
Infact, most expensive camera are using super35 which is around 1.5x crop cause we don't really need crazy depth of field all the time.
Gh2 unhacked is not really good but once hacked using at least 88mb/s. it's a monster. Destroying all canon dslr incl 1dx, vg series. And it's a steal at <$1k.
I think we'll have to wait til it reaches consumers to know but so far, it's very mixed in reviews.
Image wise, seems like only fs700/c100 is considered a real image upgrade for 5d, gh2 users and at the same time not at an unreachable price of c300 and red epics.
My 2 cents. Just film a cinema proposal that doesn't have much light and we can't set up lights due to the surprise nature. That's where my 5d3 shines at totally usable footage even at 5000-6000 ISO. This are areas where non FF cameras will die with grain.
Infact, most expensive camera are using super35 which is around 1.5x crop cause we don't really need crazy depth of field all the time.
Gh2 unhacked is not really good but once hacked using at least 88mb/s. it's a monster. Destroying all canon dslr incl 1dx, vg series. And it's a steal at <$1k.
I think we'll have to wait til it reaches consumers to know but so far, it's very mixed in reviews.
Image wise, seems like only fs700/c100 is considered a real image upgrade for 5d, gh2 users and at the same time not at an unreachable price of c300 and red epics.
My 2 cents. Just film a cinema proposal that doesn't have much light and we can't set up lights due to the surprise nature. That's where my 5d3 shines at totally usable footage even at 5000-6000 ISO. This are areas where non FF cameras will die with grain.
Bro, you got to read up more instead of just asking ... is this better than that ... or is prores better than raw ...
Its actually all in the web and you will learn more there ...
A VG900 might be $hit in someone hands cause he already uses RED day to day but might be gold to someone upgrading from 550D ...
Do your homework and we'll all gladly assist you in 'clever' discussions.
Cheers
Bro, the more I read the more confused I get ...
I thought VG900 with the full frame was good for me until you said that "full frame doesn't mean a thing".
Now I am back to square one ...
Haha ... Don't be too affected by everything you hear ...
Best thing to do is to use one and judge if its good for your usage ...
You can't buy a camera and thats 'it'. Usually we go through phrase of change to finally find the one we like and are good for our work ...
BMC is so amazing but it doesn't do anything for me cause it doesn't even have external batteries .. like 'OMG' .. 1.5hrs of filming and snap, it ends.
In fact, you should read less and shoot more ...
If you have a camera, go shoot until you know its strengths and weaknesses. Then comes edit. Edit like crazy and get your style ...
If you thinking of getting a VG900, go get a VG20 and see if you like it. Its exactly the same except for FF and 'maybe' better images. If you don't like it, high chance, you won't like the VG900.
its not going to cost you alot to buy & resell ... Its part of the journey ... It makes us learn and improve as film makers ... if you don't get the crunch of losing time and money, you will never learn ... Don't be another sheep following whatever people says ..
Find your style, Enjoy the journey.
Best thing to do is to use one and judge if its good for your usage ...
You can't buy a camera and thats 'it'. Usually we go through phrase of change to finally find the one we like and are good for our work ...
BMC is so amazing but it doesn't do anything for me cause it doesn't even have external batteries .. like 'OMG' .. 1.5hrs of filming and snap, it ends.
In fact, you should read less and shoot more ...
If you have a camera, go shoot until you know its strengths and weaknesses. Then comes edit. Edit like crazy and get your style ...
If you thinking of getting a VG900, go get a VG20 and see if you like it. Its exactly the same except for FF and 'maybe' better images. If you don't like it, high chance, you won't like the VG900.
its not going to cost you alot to buy & resell ... Its part of the journey ... It makes us learn and improve as film makers ... if you don't get the crunch of losing time and money, you will never learn ... Don't be another sheep following whatever people says ..
Find your style, Enjoy the journey.
BBTM
Senior Member
Not to start a war but even Sony have the least lenses, would you get ALL from C/N? You only buy what you need. Personally, I feels that Sony lens are more than enough for most of us. I got the 16-35mm, which will be great for this VG900 if the price is right. My budget is $2k after $1.5k rebate (my own rewards, haha!) But think back, would I bring such a pro video camera for oversea trip and forget abt my A850? Maybe sold off my A850 and then get this or just go for a mid-high end video camera will do? My main purpose of getting a video camera is to replace current DV n use for oversea trips as I will mount it on tripod, bus moves, I let it records while I sleeps, haha!
Bamboopictures
Senior Member
Here's my take on lenses for serious video. STICK TO MANUAL FOCUS PRIMES.
MANUAL FOCUS because autofocus on almost all models results in a split second hunting. Autofocus technology is not smart enough yet to guess whether a locked subject is going to move away or towards the camera. So it needs to test both directions - resulting in momentary out of focus when the subject distance starts to change.
PRIMES because when there is shift in focus for zoom lenses, the focal length changes slightly resulting in slight change in image area.
Since only MANUAL FOCUS PRIMES works for me, I am free to change camera bodies and brands just as long as there are third party adapters.
MANUAL FOCUS because autofocus on almost all models results in a split second hunting. Autofocus technology is not smart enough yet to guess whether a locked subject is going to move away or towards the camera. So it needs to test both directions - resulting in momentary out of focus when the subject distance starts to change.
PRIMES because when there is shift in focus for zoom lenses, the focal length changes slightly resulting in slight change in image area.
Since only MANUAL FOCUS PRIMES works for me, I am free to change camera bodies and brands just as long as there are third party adapters.
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Thought the recent hoo-hah is the launch of full frame video camera ... No ?
U mean the recent launch of full frame video camera doesn't even make sense ?
Yeah, maybe I should stick back to NX30 ... it goes in one full circle now ... Hahaha
Seems like after all the people have spoken ... You still don't understand the meaning behind tools vs job.
You find a tool to get your job done ... You don't get a tool because its the latest hoo-hah.
In that case, you should buy a BMC cause thats the real hoo-hah in the industry ... not vg900.
And after we talked so much tech on how $50k cameras don't even use Full frame, don't you see that its never about sensor size?
Why would a FF make sense if the image is crap ...
Lets put it in photographic terms ...
Why is 5D mark 3 at 22mega pixel when even a consumer point and shoot has 38 mega pixel?
Why a $4k camera has lesser tech than a $500 camera?
Hope it make sense now ...
Cheers
Once again, please go read on your camera tech knowledge. Not reading cameras ... Reading on mb/s ... codecs ... recording medium ... etc ...
and engage us with clever discussions.
Sgdevilzz
Senior Member
Not to offend Ryan but from my observation it seems you're not ready for any cameras the bros mentioned. It's not always about the camera gear. If i give you an F65 and a professional cinematographer an iPhone. The latter obviously can do a better job than you. Instead of worrying so much about the gears, just pick up any devices that records video, go out and practice on your composition. You don't need shallow DOF to get nice shots...
If you have reading problems then look into video sources on youtube, vimeo etc etc..
If you have reading problems then look into video sources on youtube, vimeo etc etc..
