New Pro Nikon Camera on June 26th!

[madmacs]

Color accuracy of Nikon cameras after saturation correction:
D2Xs - mean = 4.62, stdev = 5.48
D200 - mean = 6.69, stdev = 8.02
D80 - mean = 5.6, stdev = 6.65
D40 - mean = 6.57, stdev = 7.97

Color accuracy of Canon cameras after saturation correction:
5D - mean = 4.98, stdev = 6.68
30D - mean = 4.77, stdev = 6.55
400D - mean = 4.7, stdev = 5.83

NB: The greater the mean value, the greater the deviation from true color.

Taken from:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D200/D200IMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D80/D80IMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D2XS/D2XSIMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/ND40/ND40IMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E5D/E5DIMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/XTI/XTIIMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E30D/E30DIMATEST.HTM

so...with the exception of the D2Xs, canon color is more accurate?

 

[look4mi]

Color accuracy of Nikon cameras after saturation correction:
D2Xs - mean = 4.62, stdev = 5.48
D200 - mean = 6.69, stdev = 8.02
D80 - mean = 5.6, stdev = 6.65
D40 - mean = 6.57, stdev = 7.97

Color accuracy of Canon cameras after saturation correction:
5D - mean = 4.98, stdev = 6.68
30D - mean = 4.77, stdev = 6.55
400D - mean = 4.7, stdev = 5.83

NB: The greater the mean value, the greater the deviation from true color.

Taken from:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D200/D200IMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D80/D80IMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D2XS/D2XSIMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/ND40/ND40IMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E5D/E5DIMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/XTI/XTIIMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E30D/E30DIMATEST.HTM

erm.... simple english? Canon = good... Nikon = bad? :bsmilie:

 

[lsisaxon]

Color accuracy of Nikon cameras after saturation correction:
D2Xs - mean = 4.62, stdev = 5.48
D200 - mean = 6.69, stdev = 8.02
D80 - mean = 5.6, stdev = 6.65
D40 - mean = 6.57, stdev = 7.97

Color accuracy of Canon cameras after saturation correction:
5D - mean = 4.98, stdev = 6.68
30D - mean = 4.77, stdev = 6.55
400D - mean = 4.7, stdev = 5.83

NB: The greater the mean value, the greater the deviation from true color.

Taken from:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D200/D200IMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D80/D80IMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D2XS/D2XSIMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/ND40/ND40IMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E5D/E5DIMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/XTI/XTIIMATEST.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E30D/E30DIMATEST.HTM

It's not just about the colour accuracy. In any technical test, the colour accuracy can be biased because the entire gamut is not utilised.

Colour accuracy by itself doesn't really mean anything because even when you print, the colours are not accurate and you'll have to do a colour space conversion. And there are several ways to do that as well, one of the ways is to preserve the accuracy and converting the out of gamut colours to the nearest colour in the gamut, the other is to preserve the relationship between the colour by fitting the colours into the target gamut.

Colour has to do with exposure also and I have never been confident with Canon's metering, maybe because I have not been using the system enough to know it's quirks.

 

[chngpe01]

This thread is about a rumour of a new camera on 26 June 07. So stick to the topic.

1. For those who wish to distract and go off topic do it else where.
2. For those who wish to take this opportunity to promote the other brand do it elsewhere.

:nono:

 

[thw]

It's not just about the colour accuracy. In any technical test, the colour accuracy can be biased because the entire gamut is not utilised.

Colour accuracy by itself doesn't really mean anything because even when you print, the colours are not accurate and you'll have to do a colour space conversion. And there are several ways to do that as well, one of the ways is to preserve the accuracy and converting the out of gamut colours to the nearest colour in the gamut, the other is to preserve the relationship between the colour by fitting the colours into the target gamut.

You need to get your monitor and printer calibrated properly (not with the horrible Spyder2 available in Singapore). The Imaging Resource tests are neutral proper scientific measurements.

Colour has to do with exposure also and I have never been confident with Canon's metering, maybe because I have not been using the system enough to know it's quirks.

Just a matter of knowing the system.

 

[chngpe01]

I am giving a warning here to all. Stop going off topic!

 

[King Tiger]

One more week count down to the new Death Star.

 

[King Tiger]

I'm joining you bro...once again, the power of the DARK side prevails...:devil:

my goodess, you run one big round to come back to Nikon, it must be a painful experience.

Once a Dark Side, always a Dark Side. :devil:

 

[King Tiger]

so, any latest news yet?

FF or just another pro replacement for D2X?

really hope its a FF, then the 17-35 can rise in value liao...
and most importantly, dun be too expensive.... ha ha

The price will definitely "cheaper" than D2X and D2Xs when first launch.

 

[Cheesecake]

The price will definitely "cheaper" than D2X and D2Xs when first launch.

:think: can't be too sure on that.

 

[CYRN]

can it be using the 1.3x sensor that M8 is having? IIRC Leica dun make their own sensor. :think:

 

[lsisaxon]

can it be using the 1.3x sensor that M8 is having? IIRC Leica dun make their own sensor. :think:

Some people are saying that but I feel it should be unlikely because when Nikon came out with the DX format, the plus point is that Nikon's system is either FF (film) or DX, no confusing 1.1x, 1.2x, 1.3x, 1.6x crop factors like the competitor.

 

[CYRN]

Some people are saying that but I feel it should be unlikely because when Nikon came out with the DX format, the plus point is that Nikon's system is either FF (film) or DX, no confusing 1.1x, 1.2x, 1.3x, 1.6x crop factors like the competitor.

isn't the rumors saying that it's a 1.1x crop?:think: :dunno:

 

[lsisaxon]

isn't the rumors saying that it's a 1.1x crop?:think: :dunno:

More likely to me 1.3x because of the process technology which limits the die size.

 

[Artosoft]

More likely to me 1.3x because of the process technology which limits the die size.

For me, it is not the process technology that limit the die size. It is about cost.

For example, if they are using 8" silicon wafer, they only can make (for example) 16 DX size sensor, or only 10 pieces 1.3x sensor size. Chance of failure on 1.3x sensor size also higher than DX size sensor as the area of the senosor is bigger, thus make 1.3x sensor size higher cost than DX sensor size.

Regards,
Arto.

 

[lsisaxon]

For me, it is not the process technology that limit the die size. It is about cost.

For example, if they are using 8" silicon wafer, they only can make (for example) 16 DX size sensor, or only 10 pieces 1.3x sensor size. Chance of failure on 1.3x sensor size also higher than DX size sensor as the area of the senosor is bigger, thus make 1.3x sensor size higher cost than DX sensor size.

Regards,
Arto.

It's not the wafer size. It's the stepper for the litho that's limiting the size. Canon was able to do FF because they make the sensors themselves and they tweaked the stepper to do a 2 step exposure. Who knows how much they have to discard to get a good sensor.

Nikon buys sensor from other manufacturers, they will not want to make sensors that will incur a loss or does not make economical sense. For Canon, it's probably a marketing decision and they are ready to incur that loss.

 

[Artosoft]

It's not the wafer size. It's the stepper for the litho that's limiting the size. Canon was able to do FF because they make the sensors themselves and they tweaked the stepper to do a 2 step exposure. Who knows how much they have to discard to get a good sensor.

Nikon buys sensor from other manufacturers, they will not want to make sensors that will incur a loss or does not make economical sense. For Canon, it's probably a marketing decision and they are ready to incur that loss.

So, at the end of the day, it is about cost...

Regards,
Arto.

 

[scanner]

The price will definitely "cheaper" than D2X and D2Xs when first launch.

Hmm.. should I buy or should I wait for the ultimate pro camera?:think:
Maybe can loan from them.. kekeke....;p

 

[adamadam]

Yay for Nikon

 

[zj2000]

Some people are saying that but I feel it should be unlikely because when Nikon came out with the DX format, the plus point is that Nikon's system is either FF (film) or DX, no confusing 1.1x, 1.2x, 1.3x, 1.6x crop factors like the competitor.

I'm a canon user and love my camera to bits..... but I really wish the next pro model from nikon will a be a FF and a really good one at that because it's about time someone gave canon some competition.... a monopoly can only be bad for the consumer....