ragnarok95
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blackcookie
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I called Dora and she said if you attend this, you can buy the camera 3 days before the official launch which is on the 20th. I'm flying off to Japan on the evening of 19th so was hoping to get my hands on it before that. Unfortunately, I can't. Buying it in japan doesn't seem like an option as they won't carry the ones with English menus.
But for those of you who are interested...
If ANYONE has any lobang and knows where I can buy the GX7 on the 19th or before, please please please let me know. I really want to bring it for my trip.
But for those of you who are interested...
If ANYONE has any lobang and knows where I can buy the GX7 on the 19th or before, please please please let me know. I really want to bring it for my trip.
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Agrivar
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Bro. U can buy in JP with English menu. You need to ask for export set. Pricing different
Actually the IBIS is good enough up to a focal length where most people need (typical zoom range). Shorter focal length like 20mm, for eg, is not an issue for the cam's IBIS, hence the positive reviews.
For longer lenses, the 5 axis IBIS doesn't really come in too handy since the shake is on the lenses more, but shake test is always done on the body, and not on the lens, contrary to usage patterns.
A shake test on typical usage on focal length basis will tell the best story rather than believing what the brand owners say actually.
Also, 1/30s handling without IBIS is actually quite manageable right, ha?
Agrivar
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Here's a review from Luminous Landscape
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/panasonic_gx7_review.shtml
Summary
As far as overall image quality goes, the GX7 should satisfy all but the pickiest compulsive gear-head, let alone practical photographers. Frankly, over the past couple of years the differences between sensor performance on most cameras has gotten so close that it takes very large prints and 100% pixel peeping to tell the difference. Also, most cameras do quite well up to about ISO 3200, and few of us shoot at higher ISOs in the real world.
The real differences between cameras and camera performance has now shifted to lenses and those features which allow us to shoot and work more productively. In that regard the new Panasonic GX7 comes off very well indeed.
On IBIS vs OIS
In-Body Stabilization
The two major supporters of the MFT format, Olympus and Panasonic, took divergent paths with regard to image stabilization right from the get-go. Panasonic built it into some (though not all) of their lenses, while Olympus opted for in-body stabilization. Oly has been innovating in this area of late, and the 5 axis sensor stabilization found in their OM-D EM-5 is quite excellent, and works with just about any lens that you can mount on the camera, including legacy glass such as Leica M lenses.
The first problem that I discovered in trying to test and compare Panasonic's lens stabilization with their in-body stabilization, is that you can't. By this I mean that if you mount a Panasonic stabilized lens (with an external switch) on the GX7 with the lens switch ON you get lens stabilization, as you might expect. But if you turn the lens' stabilization switch to OFF, the in-body stabilization is just not available. ONLY lens stabilization is available when an IS capable lens is mounted.
If you mount any sort of non-stabilized lens on the GX7 then in-body stabilization does become available, and does a fine job. How fine? Well, in some comparisons with the Olympus OM-D I found them to be comparable, though maybe with a slight edge (about a half stop) to the OM-D. I caution that this is an empirical test, not a scientific one, but I tested enough lenses and did it enough times to be confident that this is the case, at least with the cameras that I was using. Not a bad showing for the new in-body system on the GX7.
As for not being able to use in-body IS with an IS lens and with lens IS turned off, I regard this as a design failure, or at least a bug. A pretty major bug. Hopefully someone at Panasonic will read this and either contradict me with an explanation, or better yet, get it fixed in a firmware update – soon.
No In-Body Stabilization in Video Mode
Quite regrettably the GX7's in-body image stabilization does not work in video mode. The Olympus system on the EM-5 does, so in this respect at least Panasonic falls behind. If one is using a Panasonic lens with stabilization built-in then this isn't a problem, but for use with Olympus or legacy lenses it's a big disappointment.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/panasonic_gx7_review.shtml
Summary
As far as overall image quality goes, the GX7 should satisfy all but the pickiest compulsive gear-head, let alone practical photographers. Frankly, over the past couple of years the differences between sensor performance on most cameras has gotten so close that it takes very large prints and 100% pixel peeping to tell the difference. Also, most cameras do quite well up to about ISO 3200, and few of us shoot at higher ISOs in the real world.
The real differences between cameras and camera performance has now shifted to lenses and those features which allow us to shoot and work more productively. In that regard the new Panasonic GX7 comes off very well indeed.
On IBIS vs OIS
In-Body Stabilization
The two major supporters of the MFT format, Olympus and Panasonic, took divergent paths with regard to image stabilization right from the get-go. Panasonic built it into some (though not all) of their lenses, while Olympus opted for in-body stabilization. Oly has been innovating in this area of late, and the 5 axis sensor stabilization found in their OM-D EM-5 is quite excellent, and works with just about any lens that you can mount on the camera, including legacy glass such as Leica M lenses.
The first problem that I discovered in trying to test and compare Panasonic's lens stabilization with their in-body stabilization, is that you can't. By this I mean that if you mount a Panasonic stabilized lens (with an external switch) on the GX7 with the lens switch ON you get lens stabilization, as you might expect. But if you turn the lens' stabilization switch to OFF, the in-body stabilization is just not available. ONLY lens stabilization is available when an IS capable lens is mounted.
If you mount any sort of non-stabilized lens on the GX7 then in-body stabilization does become available, and does a fine job. How fine? Well, in some comparisons with the Olympus OM-D I found them to be comparable, though maybe with a slight edge (about a half stop) to the OM-D. I caution that this is an empirical test, not a scientific one, but I tested enough lenses and did it enough times to be confident that this is the case, at least with the cameras that I was using. Not a bad showing for the new in-body system on the GX7.
As for not being able to use in-body IS with an IS lens and with lens IS turned off, I regard this as a design failure, or at least a bug. A pretty major bug. Hopefully someone at Panasonic will read this and either contradict me with an explanation, or better yet, get it fixed in a firmware update – soon.
No In-Body Stabilization in Video Mode
Quite regrettably the GX7's in-body image stabilization does not work in video mode. The Olympus system on the EM-5 does, so in this respect at least Panasonic falls behind. If one is using a Panasonic lens with stabilization built-in then this isn't a problem, but for use with Olympus or legacy lenses it's a big disappointment.
Thanks Agrivar for explaining the details of the IS for GX7. Didn't know there's no IS for video ; just only knew that if there's lens IS , it will override the body's IS n that a choice between body and lens iS is not allowed.
All said , around $1500 is still a reasonable price
All said , around $1500 is still a reasonable price
Agrivar
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NO IBIS during video.. but if you are using a panny lens with OIS, that of course works : )
Hope E-P5 price will drop further with GX7 in store....
To be fair to Olympus, they shouldn't.
What's in it for them to carry on being innovative when all the profits die off with price war?
5 axis IBIS is still their key strength, and 17mm F1.8 is a good lens as well.
Agree. Prices are as good as they are already.
Think the street prices for the EP5 + 17/1.8 + VF4 are very reasonable already. Don't forget the lens and VF alone is approx $850 even on B n S aka selling both items will mean < $900 for a brand new EP5 body. Very worth it Liao if u compare prices of the GH3 , EM5 and even the GX7 (equivalent league) bodies.
Correction, it's $1798, with some dealers sacrificing margins selling cheaper...
Again this is being extremely bias towards us consumers point of view where in one swoop manufacturers find themselves with precariously low or negative margins to carry on innovating. How to do business like that? Ha...
Anyways this pricing thingy comparison has sidetracked and tethered on the brink of out of topic , let's bring it back to earth focusing on GX7. If only GX7 has weather sealing...
Yup ,
Quite all correct. I've heard of $16xx for the whole EP5 package. Think that's probably the best price one can find street now.
For now , I'm quite confident the EP's 5-axis IS is superior to the GX7 and EM5's.
I wouldn't compare the GX7 , EP5 to the EM-1.
To me they are in different categories, EM-1 as the Oly's equivalent of its 4/3 line upgrade.
With IS in video , I'd gladly pay the minor extra for a EP5 over GX7. 1 Gariz case is oredi $109 , this extra is very minor haha.
That said , I'm sure there will be people still drawn to the GX7. After all , it's a handsome capable camera in its own right with its own inbuilt EVF.
Lets go back to discussion the GX7 itself
Diverging from the thread already.
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jackwolf
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As quoted by a local shop.. "launch" on 19sep but that doesnt mean stock ready for sales right away..
Not any i heard of. Trade in programs generally give u horrible prices for your stuff though unless u don't mind.
Olympus trade in program does not need actual trade in of old cameras, depending on the dealers you go to.
It is effectively a price drop using a promotional gimmick "trade in" to mask it.
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