New 10.2MP Nikon Cam launching in 20 days, is Canon feeling the pressure?

[Watcher]

Bleeah who cares? 5MP camera enough for most ppl. How big you gonna print? 24x36 inches, all your pics? Let them come out with 20MP cam, there is always gonna be competition from some other mfgr.

Well, obviously a lot of people. You just looked down on all Canon DSLRs

Like someone here said, all the "gloating" when Canon had the highest MP count; now it is not important... :bsmilie:

 

[TYM76]

Frankly, I read this thread with amusement. It basically showed how some people posted without facts and that the back pedalling is amusing.

Fact: the A100, D200 and D80/D90 sensor are all different. Yes, 10.2MP but the (number of) readouts are different. Can you say that the FX vs non-FX CPUs are the same? The number of readouts alter the speed and flexibility of processing. Search on DPReview for the various comments about the number of readouts.

Fact: Chuck Westfall and Canon had stated that they are giving up on the MP race, instead, focusing on the DR. Also, they admitted that their lenses on FF have image quality issue. Do you think it is smart to release another FF camera when there is no 1st party solution?

Fact: Yes, Canon has better noise in this current generation of cameras, but only at higher ISO settings and even then, the competitors' systems matches the previous generation of Canon cameras which many here still holds. The bragging of high ISO noise to me, looks as if the majority shoots at ISO1600-3200 and that all the previous generation of Canon cameras are now useless and should be thrown away since their noise matches the current competitors systems (which is not as good when compared to the current Canon)system.

Fact: The same fact said by different people will get a different response. Example? See the thread about the Travel Charger and the fact that the power solution is overpriced and outdated vs this thread from post #24 onwards. Both talk about the same thing.

To the thread starter, TYM, you started a flame bait. People, in general, don't like to be told that their favourite brand is slipping behind, be it camera or cars.

Interesting points to note.
Its a pity though that some people are locked into the mindset of my cam brand is better than the rest. Every brands have their beautiful selling points.
BTW this is only a technical thread, no point getting hard up on it.

 

[TYM]

This is a point that I agree with and am not ashame to admit. I first went into photography because of my interests in taking photos, but when I went into SLR, it was because I was also interested in the technical aspects of it, as well as the hardware that I can play around with. If not I might as well just stick with a compact camera right?

As an analogy, a car is a means of transport for most people, but there are also a lot of people who buys a car and spend a large fortune and time tinkering and modifying their cars. That is their hobby. Who are we to tell them, "please don't waste money and time upgrading or modding your car, just get out there and drive it!" Similar analogies can be found in many other hobbies.

Nice points:thumbsup:

 

[Robbo73]

This is a point that I agree with and am not ashame to admit. I first went into photography because of my interests in taking photos, but when I went into SLR, it was because I was also interested in the technical aspects of it, as well as the hardware that I can play around with. If not I might as well just stick with a compact camera right?

As an analogy, a car is a means of transport for most people, but there are also a lot of people who buys a car and spend a large fortune and time tinkering and modifying their cars. That is their hobby. Who are we to tell them, "please don't waste money and time upgrading or modding your car, just get out there and drive it!" Similar analogies can be found in many other hobbies.

Couldn't agree more. I really enjoy researching the (very expensive!) toys, the accessories as well as taking the pics. It's half the fun for me. To each his own.

 

[jsbn]

So, threadstarter likes cameras and photography but which are u gonna spend more time into devoting?

Taking good photos OR chasing all that new technology?

FYI there are still EOS D60 and EOS 10D users around.

 

[CYRN]

Fact: the A100, D200 and D80/D90 sensor are all different. Yes, 10.2MP but the (number of) readouts are different.

I tink this need to clarify a little bit more..

IIRC all the above sensor have the same "front-end" CCDs (the light capturing portion) the changes are made in the "back-end" processing such as the ADC (analogue-to-digital) portion.

Then again it's not easy and cost effective to have different designs for each brand, from redesigning any portion of the sensor to testing and validation to final "mold" production is very cost intensive.

 

[nightpiper]

i heard Canon is concentrating their effort to improve the next gen sensors in terms of DR, colours & other properties, they r easing on the MP. i sure wud like to see a 8 or 10MP sensor with very good colours & DR (comes with Canon famous low noise of cos).

for thread starter, the 5D will not come down to S$3k when '3D' is launch. looking at the past practice, the older models will go the "end-of-line" track.

talking about MP, i juz read a mag & it featured an ad of the 1DsII. wow!! the 16MP is very impressive when cropped... but way beyond reach for me as a hobby.

 

[TYM]

So, threadstarter likes cameras and photography but which are u gonna spend more time into devoting?

Taking good photos OR chasing all that new technology?

FYI there are still EOS D60 and EOS 10D users around.

I like doing both and i am grateful to have the means to devote my time for both cameras and photography. Thats the fun i am getting out from both and i am really contented. And to see the R&D devoting so much to better my hobby subjects makes me even more happy, just like some people with computers and cars and watches and handphones and.....
I don't see why car enthusiasts need justify their love and passion for cars and their technicalities by Racing around like Schmacher all day long. Whats important is the fun experience that they are getting out of their hobby; they don't earn their living out of racing or justifying their pure love for cars/ motorsports to others.
Oh yes, I hardly see the point about the users of D60 and 10D users. They can continue to enjoy the developments of cameras in the future. alongisde their photography. I have only the 30D and I STILL love to read about the development of technologies in the 1D series, they are fascinating and interesting read. :lovegrin:

 

[TYM]

i heard Canon is concentrating their effort to improve the next gen sensors in terms of DR, colours & other properties, they r easing on the MP. i sure wud like to see a 8 or 10MP sensor with very good colours & DR (comes with Canon famous low noise of cos).

for thread starter, the 5D will not come down to S$3k when '3D' is launch. looking at the past practice, the older models will go the "end-of-line" track.

talking about MP, i juz read a mag & it featured an ad of the 1DsII. wow!! the 16MP is very impressive when cropped... but way beyond reach for me as a hobby.

Yes, that could be really true eg 20D and 30D... However I "speculate" that the 3D is meant to exist alongside 5D as they may serve different strata of users expectations. Anyway, we consumers really hope prices will drop for all, the nthe BBB fever may strike once again

 

[shinken]

At one point in my life, I spent more time on learning about the components of a hi-fi, building a "good" set of hi-fi, then actually listening music from my hifi, so I do know what u guys are getting at. Oh well, to each his (or her) own.

New cams are good. Pressure is good. All round benefits for consumers.

 

[Deadpoet]

I think you just wasted a lot of time and brainpower. Redirect those into ideas for shots the next time. Canon and Nikon will push new models out with shorter and shorter cycles, will you be able to keep up?

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I like your analysis and commentary much better.

 

[mpenza]

Haven't done this for quite a while ;p

Fact: the A100, D200 and D80/D90 sensor are all different. Yes, 10.2MP but the (number of) readouts are different. Can you say that the FX vs non-FX CPUs are the same? The number of readouts alter the speed and flexibility of processing. Search on DPReview for the various comments about the number of readouts.

Read-outs are different but they are probably other areas (designs, circuitry, layering, etc - ok, I'm not too familiar with designs of sensors in nature, only did a few more basic courses ;p) which are the same and shared across.

Fact: Chuck Westfall and Canon had stated that they are giving up on the MP race, instead, focusing on the DR. Also, they admitted that their lenses on FF have image quality issue. Do you think it is smart to release another FF camera when there is no 1st party solution?

Good to read that MP is too overhyped and Canon had the lead (e.g. 8MP 8.5fps pro DSLR vs 4MP 8fps for a competing DSLR) for so long that other manufacturers are now trying to "get back" when it matters less.

FF is a compromise that some people are willing to go for. Even Nikon users' opinion are divided. It does give users a choice.

Fact: Yes, Canon has better noise in this current generation of cameras, but only at higher ISO settings and even then, the competitors' systems matches the previous generation of Canon cameras which many here still holds. The bragging of high ISO noise to me, looks as if the majority shoots at ISO1600-3200 and that all the previous generation of Canon cameras are now useless and should be thrown away since their noise matches the current competitors systems (which is not as good when compared to the current Canon)system.

One generation gap is actually quite significant!?!? But feel that noise issue is overhyped as well by most. Of course, it's great to have the flexibility to use high ISO without worrying too much about noise, but all DSLRs are generally good enough in this area, Canon or not.

 

[sehsuan]

Does anyone here get paid for doing advertising of their own brand? :dunno:

 

[rinaldi86]

Does anyone here get paid for doing advertising of their own brand? :dunno:

I believe answer would be a "No" for most of us.

 

[rinaldi86]

MP Count increment in %

2 -> 4 = 33.33%
4 -> 6 = 20%
6 -> 8 = 14.286%
8 -> 10 = 11.11%
10 -> 12 = 9.09%

6 -> 10 = 25%

As the MP count gets higher, each 2MP jump results in very marginal resolution advantage.

So if you are on 8MP camera, and have no absoloute need for a change to a meagre 2MP upgrade to 10MP, then keep it!
Similarly for those who still owns 6MP camera (300D, D70, etc)

It's good enough! Use it till you have absoloute need for a change before making a new purchase. In the mean time, continue to shoot more


PS: If my way of calculating the MP difference is flawed, I shall stand corrected

 

[jdredd]

Does anyone here get paid for doing advertising of their own brand? :dunno:

nope. but i guess, there is always a tendancy to persuade others to your cause.. after all, more people buy canon, more profit they make, less chance of them going under and more chance of them coming uot with better and better products for all of us..

 

[Klose]

Instead of bothering about technology. Why not we go out and shoot more and improve. More and more shitty shots being shared on cs nowadays. Standards are dropping ppl :nono: :bsmilie:

 

[roadrunner_552]

Instead of bothering about technology. Why not we go out and shoot more and improve. More and more shitty shots being shared on cs nowadays. Standards are dropping ppl :nono: :bsmilie:

agreed bro. Not all about technology. People will look at your photos rather then asking you about your camera first.

 

[unseen]

I find it quite laughable that many need a higher MP count camera is just for boasting rights. Many people here are more proud of their camera than of the photos that they take.

I also know a significant portion of CS-ers don't even shoot at full resolution of their current cameras..
Main reasons:
1) not enough memory card (duh!)
2) computer takes too long to load/edit/save a 6/8mp image
3) only using it for the web don't need so big..
Quite pitiful, really. Nevermind that ONLY thing many people do here with their photos is to resize to 0.5 MP (800x600) for web viewing..

even 5MP is an overkill for most people here..

 

[zuikoku]

This D70s' successor will be a new thread for Canon low entry model due to robust selling of D70s & D50 worldwide.
Although there is no significant improvement over resolution megachamp, the new users will be quite attracted by this 10.2 MP. Nikon is very clever to put its product not direct head to head with Canon, which gain better positioning such like D200 now (between 5D & 30D).

Anyway.. Kudos for Nikon !