haha i tried taking some photos without flash with iso 200. Turned out that the pictures became blur and even with ppl just standing it looked blur too. (should have used tripod) bud i used flash for the rest bud they turned out pretty dark too and used paintshop pro to edit :sweat: cos have to jiao chai de bud i got my 30 bucks anyways...you can see the pics i took at penang and cameron highlands in another newer thread too! ciaoz and thanks