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espn said:
personally i think this is good development. at least now we can see some serious work done by ppl who put in their blood & sweat, rather than a whole bunch lecher-like ppl cheering about big boos. That really tarnishes the image of photographers here in singapore.
if you think you had put in efforts in producing your work, then show it. if it is not good enough, improve it lor. everybody is doing it, why can't you? in fact, i am grateful to those who heavily critise my work, for they help me improve, to be better.
my newbie 2 cents...
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Here's another.
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hmmm... the discussion is getting pretty interesting here.....
and PBS...i LURVEEE ya shots.... hehe....
I guess at the end of the day... a portait will always reflect two people... the subject, and the photographer.... wat the portait shows reflects the competancy, mood and attitude of the photographer....
wat people pose here dun really matter...coz all the factors of the photographer will change with time... and like said... its in the spirit of sharing... we all view portraiture differently... recently i have been trying out a "snapshot" form of portaiture..more lifestyle as compared to posing...who is to say tt its not portaiture?
its all perspective at the end of the day isnt it?
cheers...
and PBS...i LURVEEE ya shots.... hehe....
I guess at the end of the day... a portait will always reflect two people... the subject, and the photographer.... wat the portait shows reflects the competancy, mood and attitude of the photographer....
wat people pose here dun really matter...coz all the factors of the photographer will change with time... and like said... its in the spirit of sharing... we all view portraiture differently... recently i have been trying out a "snapshot" form of portaiture..more lifestyle as compared to posing...who is to say tt its not portaiture?
its all perspective at the end of the day isnt it?
cheers...
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Witness said:
I beg to differ. I've never thought of a portrait could have revealed the photographer. As photographers, we must be versatile to changes, to suit environment. I personally think that if I'm being cordoned off to a particular style, my time has ended.
What the portrait could have shown is the competancy, mood and attitude of the person shot within the frame. I'ne enjoyed my every moment spent with people involved in the shoot, not only the model in particular, but the helluva crazy team I work with, and it's only fun instead of work that I'm thinking. I only came into this profession because I think it beats off all other professions, well at least for me. Being me, I'm always the last one smiling & pushing the whole team at the end of the day. Literally, when everyone else is dead beaten and off track after a long day, or worst, a sunshine day. Because I know, that's not a chance of a good photographer who forgets to keep the morale pf the team high. Which also means I'm no Prima Donna(which many thought in Fashion we all do). There's no space for ego. In this business, people can make you and they can break you.
Who ever you are and for whatsoever you're shooting for, it's always good to understand that Photography is a lifelong education. It's never bad to shoot good image because it's gonna be memoirs a second after that trigger...
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espn said:I can't agree more. Seems to me that professionals, or freelance professionals are very hyped about photos meeting their standards and forget that most of us here are snappists and hobbyists.
And whilst they can comment here that they don't like such shots, I see no help in offering any constructive comments or suggestions in improvements when others posts.
I guess "WOW, great pics" goes both ways for the amatuers like me and the professionals.
Like Ian mentioned, paraphrased, "everything takes talent".
Just that I've less of it I guess.will not try to show off my lousy, medicore snapshot skills anymore.
I don't think I'm one who's hyped up on people meeting standards of professionals. Crudely put, my images has up in press & magazine so much I didn't even bother tracking them down anymore. Those days are over dude... Matter of fact, I came from from a hobbyist as well, guess I found the my niche here. I've never thought I'll find images similar to mine, because I know that the upbringing in my photography discipline differs from many others. I've trained one member in clubsnap next to me and shared with him much. Today, I would think he's much indebted(so to say) because now he sees what clients need, or rather what it took to make pictures attractive, and today, he's freelancing, not events but portraits. Well, other than the fact that his pictures stands a little close to mine, but in time to come, I see him diverting to his style and acumens.
If there are better photographers here in this forum, I would think it would make this forum a even better place for learning(and I would have thought this is how the moderators intended), and I would think the amatuers would surely appreciate this environment.
I'll be straight to the point. I think all in this forum would agree with me that snapshots are moments registered. We regconised that nothing would have replaced these valuable snappys. However, in this Portraits & Poses forum for crying out loud, we're talking about a specialised form of photography and seriously, it's not snapshots.
If this forum is for snapshots, I should be the one leaving this forum, and not you guys.
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Witness said:
We're all right in some ways.
Cheers...
Concerning PBS and Witness viewpoints.
While I agree with PBS that a good photographer should ideally be able to adapt to differing situations and not be boxed in to a particular style (I think of Albert Watson and Irving Penn), I believe that the images made by a particular photographer will always bear the imprint of the photographer. We are just different people, and our perception will always be different.
While I agree with PBS that a good photographer should ideally be able to adapt to differing situations and not be boxed in to a particular style (I think of Albert Watson and Irving Penn), I believe that the images made by a particular photographer will always bear the imprint of the photographer. We are just different people, and our perception will always be different.
pointblankshots said:
This reminds of something a photographer and a good friend once mentioned to me!
I was showing some of my prints to him, and casually mentioned "This is just a snapshot".
I was totally unprepared for his response! He really gave me a whammy! "What do you mean a "snapshot?!". If a picture is not worth taking, don't take it! if it deserves your respect, then take it with all respect!"
I was properly chastised. Today I do not take snapshots. Even in a casual environment with friends, if I see a cat slurping some milk, and wanted to photograph that, I will photograph that "seriously". No more "snapshots".
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student said:
I guess it all boils down to what photography is to each individual. Little kiddos shoots pictures too, but it's only literally photography.
Your pal is probably having occupational hazards thingy. I would have probably look through snappys, remembering that people are trying to show me moments and I would just be happy looking at expressions and thoroughly share the joys or sadness. I wouldn't be filling in any details about how they do their photography. After all, why should I bother to correct anything at all when their motives is not corrective attitude anyway?
Now, a good pal who's enthusiastic about photography comes up to me for critics, that's when I fill in what could have been done to better off the pictures, but then again, I would request only to view it in raw files.
I've mentioned two groups of interest levels in photography here. Which is why I don't think snapshots are going to serve the many of those in the forum.
pointblankshots said:
I do not think that snaps are worthless. If I have to run away from a fire and salvage some photos, I have absolutely no doubt that the photos that I will salvage will be my family's. I do not have portfolios that are so precious that they are worth saving in such a situation. In fact I think one of the most important uses of photography is preservation of memories.
The context regarding my friend is this. I had travelled to California for a meeting, and had arranged to meet him. I had wanted him to see some of my images. Now this friend of mine happens to be a somewhat unusual person. Very intense. Very passionate. Because of his insistence of what photography is and should be, he paid a high price for his art. He remained very poor. Yet he was credited as the person to have done most to revitalised the platinum and palladium process. If you look at the lastest issue of Black & White Magazine (US) there is a full page advertisement of his images.
During this visit, we photographed some models together. This was the first time I saw him at work. During the photography session, I was fascinated to see him transformed. He was like a person possessed, and could only see images before his "inner eye". He was so intense that when one model put on a wig and started dancing, he was plainly displeased because to him, the dancing had nothing to do with making good images. Whereas I was fooling around with the model, and taking "worthless" images of the model dancing. My friend is one who rub shoulders with the likes of Ansel Adams, Paul Caponigro, Brett Weston, John Sexton, Martha Casanave, as well as non West Coast photographers like Ralph Gibson. His images ae in the collections of many museums. Just last weekend he returned to his alma mater because he was made alumni of the year for a lifetime achievement.
Now that was the context. I was not showing him snaps of my family. Prior to this trip, I did send snaps of my family, and he loved these images. But I was showing him images as "art". And stupidly used the words "snapshots' to make excuses for "bad" images. I was making excuses. He knew it immediately and rebuked me.
I learnt my lesson very quickly. Why did he rebuke me? Because if I had not put some effort into the images, which I had brought thousands of miles away to him for comments, because it "wasn't worth taking", how can he help me make better images. I understood that immediately.
I was a NUS don for 16 years. And I know that I cannot guide a student who is not making effort. "Just a snapshot". In fact, one of my favorite statements to my students was "I can't steer a parked car". My students must make efforts first before I can guide. I can try to provide inspiration, but they must move.
Giving excuses for not making the best effort is simply not good enough.
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new stuff not ready as yet, or rather sometimes constraint to putting them up, but will probably put up some stuff end next week, thanks for still viewing through though.
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