MF/LF Outing - Kranji War Memorial on 3 Mar 2012 Saturday 730am

[sfoto100]

Time to get a red filter

Ya, thinking to get hoya 77mm Red filter if it exists... Hoya seems to be value for $$$...

Seems even dslr benefit from it

 

[Nikkornos]

J U S T - B O R R O W

 

[agape01]

I was wondering whether can I meet you guys at Woodlands MRT station or Kranji MRT station then head over? I would like to come

 

[sfoto100]

J U S T - B O R R O W

Boss, can I borrow from u? Hee hee

 

[Leong Desmond]

I can meet you at Woodlands MRT station at 7am.

 

[agape01]

Nice... thanks Desmond.

 

[lkkang]

You are quite right, RED and ORANGE are very close. I feel that it is a matter of to darken the sky completely or to slightly darken the sky kind of thing.

- if you look at the building at the far right hand side ( from the color version ), you can see that the building is RED. With a RED filter , you lighten up the building when you use RED filter. The building is not so bright when you are using ORANGE filter. So, this is very useful when you are trying to darken the deep blue sky. You have the choice to either very darken or slightly darken the sky by using RED or ORANGE filter.

hope this explains,
Billy

Like Lua lua, I am also a fan of Olen Filter

Brother Billy,

How come the Orange one look like with Red? Just checking.

 

[lualua]

You are quite right, RED and ORANGE are very close. I feel that it is a matter of to darken the sky completely or to slightly darken the sky kind of thing.

- if you look at the building at the far right hand side ( from the color version ), you can see that the building is RED. With a RED filter , you lighten up the building when you use RED filter. The building is not so bright when you are using ORANGE filter. So, this is very useful when you are trying to darken the deep blue sky. You have the choice to either very darken or slightly darken the sky by using RED or ORANGE filter.

hope this explains,
Billy

Billy, your illustration tells us 1 thing - the degree of change depends a lot on the conditions. Ie if u have a deep blue sky and white clouds, the difference between the red and orange is going to be much more noticeable. Also, I realize that colour filters do not work well with c41 black and white emulsions such as the ilford xp2 plus or Kodak t400cn. What film were u using for this?

 

[ahhong]

hey masters and bosses, so are we having a sharing session on use if filters? completely newbi for these....

 

[lkkang]

sorry for the disappointment... these shots were taken from digital camera ( EOS-1D ), purely for testing and calibration of exposure use only.

BWSET Lee 4x4" Black and White Polyester Filter Set ( Yellow #8, Yellow/Green #11, Orange #21, Light Red #23A)
I brought this item on-line, and uses a digital camera to see the effects before going to film.

so far, for LF, I only tried ShangHai 100, nothing else, so... my experiences are very limited here.

Billy

Billy, your illustration tells us 1 thing - the degree of change depends a lot on the conditions. Ie if u have a deep blue sky and white clouds, the difference between the red and orange is going to be much more noticeable. Also, I realize that colour filters do not work well with c41 black and white emulsions such as the ilford xp2 plus or Kodak t400cn. What film were u using for this?

 

[lualua]

sorry for the disappointment... these shots were taken from digital camera ( EOS-1D ), purely for testing and calibration of exposure use only.

BWSET Lee 4x4" Black and White Polyester Filter Set ( Yellow #8, Yellow/Green #11, Orange #21, Light Red #23A)
I brought this item on-line, and uses a digital camera to see the effects before going to film.

so far, for LF, I only tried ShangHai 100, nothing else, so... my experiences are very limited here.

Billy

Thanks for sharing Billy. Given that those were digi cam shots, it may be different if you were to use film but I have not done any digital in black and white to confirm that. Can someone comment on this?

 

[zguy]

if i remember correctly, the war memorial has whitish tombstones, so i would avoid using a green filter which will lighten the green. This might blend the tombstones and grass together. A red filter will darken the grass and sky and so might be a good choice. A tripod will be good since you need to add 2-3 stops.

A gradual ND will be useful also if you are shooting wide and including lots of sky.

 

[lualua]

if i remember correctly, the war memorial has whitish tombstones, so i would avoid using a green filter which will lighten the green. This might blend the tombstones and grass together. A red filter will darken the grass and sky and so might be a good choice. A tripod will be good since you need to add 2-3 stops.

A gradual ND will be useful also if you are shooting wide and including lots of sky.

Good point Lao da! I remember I have a dark red polarizer which will make cemeteries come alive. I'll bring it if I can still find it!

 

[Nikkornos]

if i remember correctly, the war memorial has whitish tombstones, so i would avoid using a green filter which will lighten the green. This might blend the tombstones and grass together. A red filter will darken the grass and sky and so might be a good choice. A tripod will be good since you need to add 2-3 stops.
A gradual ND will be useful also if you are shooting wide and including lots of sky.

My experience with Kodak TMAX400 C41 was that Orange filter will make pink and orange washed out to white.
Anything red and orange will look the same. Blue and green will become dark.
Red filter on C41 will make the blue sky completely red, much more emphasis than orange.

I looked at flicker and here are some points. (B&W certainly rules) :

Respect the glorious dead! (I cannot imagine some people brought models there to do provokativ shots. )

The main building needs a 35mm shift lens and at least an orange filter to bring out the building.

The main sacrificial cross will look much better with a dark sky background ( all blue, or all black).

Close up of tomb stones and blurring of background helps.

A TLR can do wonders there.

 

[sfoto100]

hi LuaLua and master Billy

Olen filter? any typo error? can't find anything when googled...

what is so great about Len filter? how about Hoya? (yes, hoya 77mm red filter do exists, known as 25A

HOYA FILTERS - The Difference is Clear

 

[losheng]

Given that those were digi cam shots, it may be different if you were to use film but I have not done any digital in black and white to confirm that. Can someone comment on this?

I thought the shots looks a little weird - no wonder - they were taken with a digital camera. My 5D has built-in modes to simulate b/w shots with Red, Yellow, and Orange filters, and those do resemble the b/w film tones more accurately.

A big difference of using these filters with films is the skin tone rendition. Red tends to yield a fairer skin tone, and adds contrast to the scene. Effects are less dramatic as you move to orange and yellow. I normally use a yellow filter with all b/w shots taken in the day.

 

[sfoto100]

I thought the shots looks a little weird - no wonder - they were taken with a digital camera. My 5D has built-in modes to simulate b/w shots with Red, Yellow, and Orange filters, and those do resemble the b/w film tones more accurately.

A big difference of using these filters with films is the skin tone rendition. Red tends to yield a fairer skin tone, and adds contrast to the scene. Effects are less dramatic as you move to orange and yellow. I normally use a yellow filter with all b/w shots taken in the day.

hi losheng

do u think there is a place for color filter for digital photography? When we take pics in raw, we have the option to use color filter in post production.

but somehow i feel they are not as good.. not very sure too as i am still new

 

[lualua]

I thought the shots looks a little weird - no wonder - they were taken with a digital camera. My 5D has built-in modes to simulate b/w shots with Red, Yellow, and Orange filters, and those do resemble the b/w film tones more accurately.

A big difference of using these filters with films is the skin tone rendition. Red tends to yield a fairer skin tone, and adds contrast to the scene. Effects are less dramatic as you move to orange and yellow. I normally use a yellow filter with all b/w shots taken in the day.

Thanks Losheng. Just to add on, It'll be worthwhile to invest in an XO filter if you do portraits in b&w regularly.

 

[Nikkornos]

hi losheng

do u think there is a place for color filter for digital photography? When we take pics in raw, we have the option to use color filter in post production.
but somehow i feel they are not as good.. not very sure too as i am still new

For DSLR use a high quality UV filter. read Leica M8 and M9 manual it will explain that.
UV disturbs the sensor. Other than that, for D cam anything can photoshop, including turning in lomo.

 

[Nikkornos]

hi LuaLua and master Billy

Olen filter? any typo error? can't find anything when googled...

Hello, you Singaporean or not? Or Leng you also don't know??? :bsmilie:

So tomorrow we expect to see people using OrLeng, or AngKongKong filters. Right?