Left hand pays $X to right hand, and then announce they just "bought" your country

[ed9119]

THOSE bad guys who conquered and raped other nation's women have been punished by 2 atomic bombs , humiliation and hanged/executed

.... how about they annexed (conquered) Tibet and Inner Mongolia .... and tried to invade Vietnam barely 30 years ago ...

lets stay on topic and objective to the discussion on hand shall we ?

 

[shorty]

Bro big kahuna, not making China looked bad. In fact China has acted solely on its own by declaring its water territory. It has drawn the line right in front of my kampung sabah! How can you suddenly declare that is yours to the world simply saying because of history. History what facts that allow you draw the line to the south, so south...

 

[kei1309]

ultimately, China (or the CCCP) has been a big bully towards the other nations around it. sooner or later, they'll try to take over the world.

 

[Big Kahuna]

We will gone into history lesson if we go on and on on who conquered who and whose water is whose.....most nations' borderline are drawn by bloodshed of their ancestors.....USA....UK....Russian....are not spared......to single out CCCP as big bully is the biggest stereotype.....to me at least China has never started a major war, WW1 or WW2.....and you go ask any Cuban, Iranian, North Korean, Saddam and Osama....who is their biggest bully? I am not supporting evil and terrorism but there is always two side of the story and depending which side you are on...

Same thing when they finished chopping down the trees, burned enough coal, and fire up most nuke plans to build their nations....and now they disallowed other nations to do so saying it's polluted or highly dangerous....what a crap....these are the technolgy that they sold.....and they put a rare earth plan in someone else home to supply them the mineral....on one hand saying it's safe and on the other hand their local gov won't approve the plant

 

[ricohflex]

Brinksmanship. They do it because they calculate that the other side will be reasonable and not react in an unexpected way.

Poker players do this. But sometimes people call their bluff. And they end up losing everything.

No one would want to try this with Stalin or Hitler or Saddam Hussien or Kim Jong Il.

Noda said if he is re-elected, he will present Japan's case to the UN. So is he risking war, just to enhance chances of being re-elected?

 

[kei1309]

Brinksmanship. They do it because they calculate that the other side will be reasonable and not react in an unexpected way.

Poker players do this. But sometimes people call their bluff. And they end up losing everything.

No one would want to try this with Stalin or Hitler or Saddam Hussien or Kim Jong Il.

Noda said if he is re-elected, he will present Japan's case to the UN. So is he risking war, just to enhance chances of being re-elected?

History has proven that war is required to return the world to balance and to create a new superpower

 

[shorty]

China never started any war in the modern history, that is the fact. But if the current trend continues and irrationale, China has to becareful with its action or decision. Wrong moves and all that righteous uphold would be gone immediately, and the nation would be no different than those done wrongly in the modern history.

 

[fatigue]

South China Sea dispute:

BBC News - Q&A: South China Sea dispute

 

[Big Kahuna]

China never started any war in the modern history, that is the fact. But if the current trend continues and irrationale, China has to becareful with its action or decision. Wrong moves and all that righteous uphold would be gone immediately, and the nation would be no different than those done wrongly in the modern history.

U know by Chinese point of view, if they do go into war this time round, it's still because of Japanese started invading their island.....and why u say china need to be careful and not the japanese? Why japanese move is not wrong but the chinese is? As if Japan already own the island? So the perception is something that the Chinese needs to correct and it's now or never.

At the end winner wrote the history book......not looser

 

[shorty]

The island issue is history based, make effort dig out the facts. But the south south water in front of our kampung has nothing to do with China territory. Never in history we know about China empire stretch till the south sea. How can that baseless self declaration be right???

 

[kei1309]

U know by Chinese point of view, if they do go into war this time round, it's still because of Japanese started invading their island.....and why u say china need to be careful and not the japanese? Why japanese move is not wrong but the chinese is? As if Japan already own the island? So the perception is something that the Chinese needs to correct and it's now or never.

At the end winner wrote the history book......not looser

which is bullsh!t because the Japanese have been using the island for so long and the Chinese never made any racket about it till natural gas pockets were discovered in the vicinity.

why don't you look at Mongolia and Tibet as a good example of how China is treating their neighbors. Or how China threatens Taiwan?

and if their case is that Zheng He traveled to those places first, and hence they belong to China... Then what about Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan etc?

he traveled to those places so China claims ownership? that's rubbish

 

[shorty]

The whole thing is not just the island dispute, It's the whole south sea self claiming without basis! China is damaging its on integrity, being non-credible and irrational towards other. One have the right to protest, but damaging, destructing, attacking other property, live and even provoking to war is damm stupid and no differenrt as a hooligan.

 

[kei1309]

so technically that means in the future, any one can step into your house and demand that you move out :bsmilie:

 

[TWmilkteaTW]

Guess..its hard to be humble. A skill that is hard to master.
China is strong now and everybody know. Thus they are getting a little more irritating and arrogant too than before.

 

[Big Kahuna]

which is bullsh!t because the Japanese have been using the island for so long and the Chinese never made any racket about it till natural gas pockets were discovered in the vicinity.

why don't you look at Mongolia and Tibet as a good example of how China is treating their neighbors. Or how China threatens Taiwan?

and if their case is that Zheng He traveled to those places first, and hence they belong to China... Then what about Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan etc?

he traveled to those places so China claims ownership? that's rubbish

U said Japanese has been using the island for so long, for how long exactly? The island was snatched from China during the Manchurian time, so by your defination China has been using it even longer.....when u steal something from someone.....using it for 50years will not automatically make u the rightful owner after that....u are still a thief and the thing does not belongs to u, if there is justice, u should return the item plus interest and compensation...

What about Mongolia and Tibet? Don't u know Genghis khan use to rule China and now China return his favor to look after his descendent......about Tibet.....other than Dalai lama and few of the activities who now led a good life in western city.....I do not see a problem with the people there....they still preach good Buddhism and led a happy life......and the western part of China has been part of China during the romance of 3 kingdom.....that's as far fetch as any established nation as far as I know...nearer than Hawaii to US and Sabah Sarawak to Penisular Malaya...

Taiwan....Chiang kai shek is an exile.....I don't see a problem a parent threaten their kid.....I do that couple of time a day but I never whip....

And did China lay claims on Cheng ho's route? That again is a baseless accusations that people simply put without thinking...

 

[shorty]

So bro big kahuna, you also realised the principle of self claiming without facts to substantiate is non-creadible. That has been the show that China put on international stage for the south sea dispute.

 

[Big Kahuna]

U want fact...here is something that helps....not written by me of course

A Japanese group of islands, claimed by China, never activated so far

 

[shorty]

Not just the island, the whole south sea. That's the whole problem of China with the neighbours. Not just with Japan. Unless China specifically isolate this island. Unfortunately, China claims the south sea that triggered this integrity and credibility issues as well as the negative perception about the country.

 

[ed9119]

lolzzz i just shudder to think that Sun Wukong, Zhu Bajie and priest Xuanzang travelled during their adventures to India

 

[Big Kahuna]

lolzzz i just shudder to think that Sun Wukong, Zhu Bajie and priest Xuanzang travelled during their adventures to India

I think China should claim eastern part of India.......

Tea horse caravan.....Marco polo route.....silk road......China should also claim middle east and eastern europe