Kratae & Phim

[Jemapela]

On the contrary, I like the way the images look... the colour, the burnt highlights, the "overprocessing"... it gives this series a kind of stylised look. Zeckson, :thumbsup:

Check your PM.

 

[orislee]

A series with a lot of pictures. Thank you very much for your effort to share with us. The first impression is that these photos are heavily PSed. Could not see much details on the face, perhaps their make up and skin are very good.

Well, in terms of expressions, I like #12 the most. Nice expression with natural smile. I do not know how to appreciate #11, #13, #14 and #15 yet. In #11 and #15 their arms are too big, do not look pleasant to me.

Technically, I am sure you know pretty well about exposure and eye contact, your pictures are very well focused, really! I find it very difficult to shoot many people also, maybe it is good to experiment with some action shots like dancing, or shoot with a theme to blend the 2 subjects together well?

Hope to see more experiments from you.

 

[TMC]

Yo bro AhV, thanks for commenting. I am not saying what TMC said is wrong. Before I agree to what he said, I would like to see where he is coming from, as well as yours because I don't really know what the word "unflattering" means. I am thinking if he meant the wide angle that I used or the presentation of the face from individual viewpoints. I am not arguing here but just wanna see where I made that little fault so that I know what I need to avoid next time lah. No fight, no fight.

When I receive the word "unflattering", I will wonder what is not right? Is it the make up? Is it the face itself? Is it the inclined degree shooting plane that I used or is it the distortion caused by wide angle lens? I need to know this mah.

And when you said my friends' features were "badly distorted" in Pic 13 (That picture whereby Phim kissed Kratae's ear right?), can I know where har? I cannot see it leh.

To TMC:
Not trying to induce any fight with you. Just wanna know where you are coming from so I can see it and try to avoid.

Unflattering: you made her look worse. angle or lens distortion, I let you figure it out.

The whole series the 2 of them have pretty much the same expression, just looking in different directions. the pics are pped until there are barely details left. I didnt realize they have a nose bridge on their faces on their faces until I saw the last few frames. credits on experimentation but then this pp method you tried it before and it apparently doesnt work here. YMMV.

 

[contaxable]

Rested for a little while before attempting another shoot. This time shooting 2 girls at one time. Never tried shooting group shots before. Virgin shots for this series. I welcome constructive comments on how to improve on the photography, from viewers.

Your positive attitude is the main draw attracting constructive comments. While i seldom comment much about portraitures here, I do somehow feel oblidged to share a few points as well and hope you won't mind.

I find some of the initial pictures with a heavy green hue, while the last few shots are rather pinky. Perhaps when adjusting cmyk ratio, you may want to be more careful adjusting the %. From my personal take: the trick in seeing colors is not just knowing the machine (ie software, printer) or the medium (ie paper, ink, calibrated screen..). The trick is to train my eyes to see the images with light in perspective. There is no real formula, but I learned that it is usually all within sight.

With all the tilting, overexposure and contrasty images you have here, it's good to know you are having fun with photoshop and stretching the limits beyond the norm. Are you then fine tuning your skills to suit the masses (eg by gathering opinions in CS?) If yes, you might be subconsciously preparing yourself to go commercial. If no, you are an artist in near isolation.

Press on, my friend, to reach yor desired goal.

contaxable

 

[leejay]

:lovegrin: Pic 12 is my favorite. More vibrant colors and a better background may improve the pics. Just my feel towards the pics.

 

[Zeckson Chow]

On the contrary, I like the way the images look... the colour, the burnt highlights, the "overprocessing"... it gives this series a kind of stylised look. Zeckson, :thumbsup:

Check your PM.

Got your PM, Jemapela. I have also replied.

 

[Zeckson Chow]

A series with a lot of pictures. Thank you very much for your effort to share with us. The first impression is that these photos are heavily PSed. Could not see much details on the face, perhaps their make up and skin are very good.

Well, in terms of expressions, I like #12 the most. Nice expression with natural smile. I do not know how to appreciate #11, #13, #14 and #15 yet. In #11 and #15 their arms are too big, do not look pleasant to me.

Technically, I am sure you know pretty well about exposure and eye contact, your pictures are very well focused, really! I find it very difficult to shoot many people also, maybe it is good to experiment with some action shots like dancing, or shoot with a theme to blend the 2 subjects together well?

Hope to see more experiments from you.

Thanks for your effort in commenting. Appreciate it from you. Well... Let's see what I can do next. Hee hee hee.

 

[Zeckson Chow]

Unflattering: you made her look worse. angle or lens distortion, I let you figure it out.

The whole series the 2 of them have pretty much the same expression, just looking in different directions. the pics are pped until there are barely details left. I didnt realize they have a nose bridge on their faces on their faces until I saw the last few frames. credits on experimentation but then this pp method you tried it before and it apparently doesnt work here. YMMV.

"Unflattering: you made her look worse." <<--- You have not seen them in real person so how do you know they look better real life? But I accept your comment.

"angle or lens distortion, I let you figure it out." <<--- Thanks for writing but this is as good as not telling. From my experience here in Thailand, usually when people say this kind of thing, actually they themselves also don't know exactly what is wrong and doesn't have good points to prove but just wanna keep their faces. Well, this is Thailand lah. But maybe you are different and you can see it lah. Okay, I will figure it out myself. Thanks.

"The whole series the 2 of them have pretty much the same expression, just looking in different directions. the pics are pped until there are barely details left. I didnt realize they have a nose bridge on their faces on their faces until I saw the last few frames." <<--- Maybe this is my fault. I am using a TFT display on my notebook with very narrow view angle. Cos I see it on my screen it is okay. But thanks for pointing out.

"credits on experimentation but then this pp method you tried it before and it apparently doesnt work here." <<--- Thanks for this. Please say that it doesn't work for you and not just it doesn't work here. Post processing is up to an individual person's viewpoint and we cannot say it is right or wrong because there is no base to support it or is there an official guideline or rule or any form of rocket science to say certain things are wrong. I asked for constructive comments on the photography so that I can improve, not on the technical post processing. I kind of like it anyway. But thanks for your comments.

"YMMV" <<--- Don't know what this means so I am going to ignore it.

Overall, thank you for your efforts in writing the comments. There are some points I agree and there are some I don't agree but we are not going to argue on that. Appreciate your time, TMC.

 

[Zeckson Chow]

Your positive attitude is the main draw attracting constructive comments. While i seldom comment much about portraitures here, I do somehow feel oblidged to share a few points as well and hope you won't mind.

I find some of the initial pictures with a heavy green hue, while the last few shots are rather pinky. Perhaps when adjusting cmyk ratio, you may want to be more careful adjusting the %. From my personal take: the trick in seeing colors is not just knowing the machine (ie software, printer) or the medium (ie paper, ink, calibrated screen..). The trick is to train my eyes to see the images with light in perspective. There is no real formula, but I learned that it is usually all within sight.

With all the tilting, overexposure and contrasty images you have here, it's good to know you are having fun with photoshop and stretching the limits beyond the norm. Are you then fine tuning your skills to suit the masses (eg by gathering opinions in CS?) If yes, you might be subconsciously preparing yourself to go commercial. If no, you are an artist in near isolation.

Press on, my friend, to reach yor desired goal.

contaxable

Hi. Thank you very much for writing this because after reading your comments, I began to think about different things because I have not come across this before. Actually, when it comes to post processing, I am tryng out different things. I usually like what I experimented but not sure if the general public can accept. I am getting public opinion and see what people in different countries think about it. I am collecting different ideas here and there, not only in Singapore.

And thanks for telling me about the green and pink hue. That is something I have to figure out. Probably due to the grass reflecting the strong sunlight and red clothing reflecting my flash. Well, I admit the problem is all mine. Thanks a lot!

 

[Zeckson Chow]

:lovegrin: Pic 12 is my favorite. More vibrant colors and a better background may improve the pics. Just my feel towards the pics.

Thanks LeeJay. I will keep that in mind. Thanks for commenting.

 

[fred2]

Just my two cents worth.

In portraiture, it would make good sense to have the eyes very clear and sharp. In some of your photos the eyes are somewhat blur. This actually makes the photo less impact. In the group shots care must be taken to make sure that the eyes of both models are clear and sharp so sometimes it involves very unnatural bending of the neck of one model so that the faces of both are in the same plane to achieve clear faces and eyes for both.

 

[Zeckson Chow]

Just my two cents worth.

In portraiture, it would make good sense to have the eyes very clear and sharp. In some of your photos the eyes are somewhat blur. This actually makes the photo less impact. In the group shots care must be taken to make sure that the eyes of both models are clear and sharp so sometimes it involves very unnatural bending of the neck of one model so that the faces of both are in the same plane to achieve clear faces and eyes for both.

Thank you very much on the tip of eye contact. I don't know this when it comes to group shots. I will make sure I remember this everytime I do a group shoot again. Thank you once again!

 

[mylica]

Overall, I found most of the pics are overexpose for my taste. But if u prefer this kind of PP, then it will not be a problem. Pic #12 is the best from this series

 

[Zeckson Chow]

Overall, I found most of the pics are overexpose for my taste. But if u prefer this kind of PP, then it will not be a problem. Pic #12 is the best from this series

Thanks for replying. Not a problem. I do get a lot of others saying they are too bright too.

 

[Zeckson Chow]

Let me just try to summarize the points I have collected so far in this forum. Correct me if I have missed any points.

• Over post processed (TMC, Orislee)
• Over saturated (TMC)
• No theme (TMC)
• Over exposed (TMC, g-khoo, CreaXion, Orislee, mylica)
• Certain angles not flattering (TMC, AhV)
• Good soft + high luminance effect (g-khoo)
• Good depth-of-field control (g-khoo)
• Sharp (g-khoo, Orislee)
• Good in bringing out their looks (CreaXion)
• Stylised look (Jemapela)
• Same expressions throughout the series (TMC)
• Heavy green and pink hue (Contaxable)
• More vibrant colours needed (Leejay)
• Better background needed (Leejay)
• Eyes of both subjects must be clear and sharp (Fred)

If there are more points to add, do feel free to add them to this list or you can tell me by writing them out on text if you would like to further explain your points. I welcome constructive comments or pointers to help me improve on the photography.

 

[deman88]

beautiful and cute girls very nice good job.

 

[Witness]

hey zeck....i tink some of the parts are alittle too blown for my liking man

cheers!