It's Official - D300, D3 and Lenses etc

[Ansel]

After next monday the door closed liao we can all got out at night. :thumbsup::devil:

Maybe the hi-ISO setting can capture some paranormal activities? :think:

Too bad when it comes out next month, the gate already closed, so must wait for next year the gate open again. :bigeyes:

 

[longkangman]

Maybe the hi-ISO setting can capture some paranormal activities? :think:

Too bad when it comes out next month, the gate already closed, so must wait for next year the gate open again. :bigeyes:

Sorry OT.

who's know maybe they are surf/reading this forum. hor... :devil:

 

[Photo Nuts]

Even though the D3 high ISO performance is shockingly good, camera is still too expensive and heavy for me. But I know it's just a matter of time before they put the D3 sensor in a D300 body. Hmmm.... salivating...

 

[KNIGHT ONG]

Hi ISO setting is good, but dont think many ppl will use it unless the suituation warrant for it. :devil:

I will still prefers to shoot at ISO100 or ISO200 or at most ISO400 ... :bsmilie:

 

[zac08]

I'm not sure if the high ISO degrades the IQ till the whole image is fuzzy... But the D3 is a huge step for nikon

Well, can't be such that even those at ISO 200 is also bad rite??

 

[SFS]

an FX version of the D300
and a DX version of the D3

D3 DX would be great for telephoto shots
D300 FX would be great for WA shots (and those who are on a budget)

sorry to say, think u made a mistake...

D3 is First ever Nikon DSLR with a Full-Frame (36 x 24 mm) sensor (coined FX format)
D300 is a 12.3 MP DX format CMOS sensor

 

[syc77]

:
this time it seems D300 is really good. the vertical grip might worry a few of us due to the high price.:sweatsm:

be prepared to pay.

has nikon announced the price of the grip?
if yes,how much?

 

[Cheesecake]

has nikon announced the price of the grip?
if yes,how much?

:think: nope. dun think so. jus save lotsa $$ now!


SAVE SAVE SAVE then BBB!!! :thumbsup:

 

[Cheesecake]

sorry to say, think u made a mistake...

D3 is First ever Nikon DSLR with a Full-Frame (36 x 24 mm) sensor (coined FX format)
D300 is a 12.3 MP DX format CMOS sensor

alamak... of cos ortega knows.


he is jus drawing an example... a scenario of 'what-ifs'! hahaha

 

[ortega]

sorry to say, think u made a mistake...

D3 is First ever Nikon DSLR with a Full-Frame (36 x 24 mm) sensor (coined FX format)
D300 is a 12.3 MP DX format CMOS sensor

thank you for pointing that out
but everyone knows that already

but what if ...

there was a hi ISO fast shooting D3 featured camera with a DX sensor? (read cheaper than the D3 FX)
great for sports, birds, nature ... ...

and what if ...

there was a not so full featured like a D300 with a FX sensor? (read cheaper than the D3)
great for WA shots, landscapes, street ... ...

 

[SFS]

thank you for pointing that out
but everyone knows that already

but what if ...

there was a hi ISO fast shooting D3 featured camera with a DX sensor? (read cheaper than the D3 FX)
great for sports, birds, nature ... ...

and what if ...

there was a not so full featured like a D300 with a FX sensor? (read cheaper than the D3)
great for WA shots, landscapes, street ... ...

haha. it was just a speculation from everyone on the next FX and DX format dslr.

looking at the japanese camera manufacturer point of view, there shouldn't be a model that will be called D300x or D300h for a FX format. there's always room for the next naming convention, eg D400, D500

 

[ortega]

haha. it was just a speculation from everyone on the next FX and DX format dslr.

looking at the japanese camera manufacturer point of view, there shouldn't be a model that will be called D300x or D300h for a FX format. there's always room for the next naming convention, eg D400, D500

the name does not really matter, i am only concerned about the price

cheaper but same spec is always better, yes?

 

[longkangman]

does anyone can confirm that FX sensor with 14 bits produce 2 stop better DR image as with 12 bits ? :dunno:

 

[Scaglietti]

does anyone can confirm that FX sensor with 14 bits produce 2 stop better DR image as with 12 bits ? :dunno:

Maybe not wider dynamic range, but better in terms of more steps in between. Got to see the test results first.

BC

 

[gooseberry]

does anyone can confirm that FX sensor with 14 bits produce 2 stop better DR image as with 12 bits ? :dunno:

More bits do not really equate to more dynamic range.

See here...

Bits don't equate directly into dynamic range. Sensors have a fixed well size and a minimum noise threshold, which determines the dynamic range. You can put an accurate 8-bit or 128-bit ADC on a sensor and the dynamic range possible doesn't change. Most APS sensors max out with less than 60k electrons in a well, thus, in theory, an accurate 8-bit ADC should get you the right values.

The problem is more of how those bits get assigned to portions of the dynamic range due to the linear nature of sensors, especially if you're going to do any post processing of the data (which, by definition, includes all JPEG images done in the camera). Simply put, highlights get more refined data because they use all the bits, while shadows don't retain data well because they use only a few of the bits. It may take more bits to see what the camera is really capable of doing with its sensor. Indeed, we saw a perfect example of that with the D2h to D2hs transition, where Nikon changed from internal 8-bit processing to 12-bit processing for JPEGs, and noise suddenly got lower and shadow detail better.

Will a D300 or D3 get better dynamic range than a D200 or D2x? Yes. But most of that will come from the lower noise floor, I think. The rest will come from accuracy in dealing with data that has more bits. We'll get a pretty good idea of what's going on bit wise when we use the 12-bit versus 14-bit NEF feature. If there's really an efficiency to be gained, we'll see it when we convert our images. But I suspect that the primary advantage will be better gradated tonal ramps and less rounding errors on post processing.

 

[longkangman]

Maybe not wider dynamic range, but better in terms of more steps in between. Got to see the test results first.

BC

More bits do not really equate to more dynamic range.

See here...

Thanks .... I got my ans. :angel:

 

[merkava74]

Sorry, didn't read all 35 pages of this thread.

I compared D200 with D300 specs on nikon website, and found out that every feature is either improved or same EXCEPT for lowest ISO, with D200 at 100 and D300 at 200.

I have been very used to shooting at 100... is there a marked difference, and anyone knows why this is so, is it due to the CMOS sensor?

 

[lsisaxon]

Sorry, didn't read all 35 pages of this thread.

I compared D200 with D300 specs on nikon website, and found out that every feature is either improved or same EXCEPT for lowest ISO, with D200 at 100 and D300 at 200.

I have been very used to shooting at 100... is there a marked difference, and anyone knows why this is so, is it due to the CMOS sensor?

The base ISO is 200 but there is a Lo-1 setting which gives ISO100 sensitivity. However, there should probably be no improvement in noise as it does between D200's ISO100 and ISO200.

 

[arpinkor]

From what I understand about the Lo-1 ISO 100 for the D3, it's actually slightly worse than ISO200. Imagine a "U"-shaped curve, plotting noise on the y-axis against ISO on the x-axis and the noise value for ISO 200 is at the lowest point of the curve, ie. above or below that point, it will be worse.

 

[longkangman]

From what I understand about the Lo-1 ISO 100 for the D3, it's actually slightly worse than ISO200. Imagine a "U"-shaped curve, plotting noise on the y-axis against ISO on the x-axis and the noise value for ISO 200 is at the lowest point of the curve, ie. above or below that point, it will be worse.

yes quite possible. :dunno: