Is MiniDV on the way out?

[jaegersing]

Wah... the last few posts left me scratching my head... AVCHD stands for? What's the buzz about it?

It's Advanced Video Coding, High Definition, and it's a very high compression codec that allows you to capture HD video with reasonable quality and smaller file sizes. It is being pushed for hard disk video cams for convenience, but the salesmen never tell you that it is very tough to edit, and that even if you happen to have a compatible editing program, the experience of editing highly compressed video is not very enjoyable. If the editing experience can be improved (a lot) in the hear future, AVCHD has the potential to take over from MiniDV. But if it is left too long, the next big thing will probably displace it before most people learn how to spell it (not digging at you, honest )

 

[TME]

It's Advanced Video Coding, High Definition, and it's a very high compression codec that allows you to capture HD video with reasonable quality and smaller file sizes. It is being pushed for hard disk video cams for convenience, but the salesmen never tell you that it is very tough to edit, and that even if you happen to have a compatible editing program, the experience of editing highly compressed video is not very enjoyable. If the editing experience can be improved (a lot) in the hear future, AVCHD has the potential to take over from MiniDV. But if it is left too long, the next big thing will probably displace it before most people learn how to spell it (not digging at you, honest )

Ha! I see... yeah I am aware the compressed video is extremely difficult to edit... I tried editing XVID files once and gave up halfway... takes too long to decompress and then the indexing is quite "teruk"...

 

[tchoonyong]

AVCHD is already there. I think the rest of the NLE have to catch up. There may be technological hurdles to why Final Cut Pro cannot edit in AVCHD natively but you're right that it could be resolved further down the line. No one's going to change the codec now as it has already been deployed. However, the current workflow in Final Cut Pro of ingesting and transcoding AVCHD basically negates the advantages of shooting to non linear media.

Do you know that sony is famous for introducing a format without telling others and standardise them. Other formats like HDV are not standardise or stabilised and they suddenly come out with another format. Its like killing for these NLE software programmers as they want to try their best to bring a platform that is easy to edit. If you compare DV with HDV there are still issues in editing on HDV and AVCHD as you know is more highly compressed than HDV which is not a recommended format for editing it is a bluray disc format meaning it is actually like editing MPEG 2.

 

[kristian]

Do you know that sony is famous for introducing a format without telling others and standardise them. Other formats like HDV are not standardise or stabilised and they suddenly come out with another format. Its like killing for these NLE software programmers as they want to try their best to bring a platform that is easy to edit. If you compare DV with HDV there are still issues in editing on HDV and AVCHD as you know is more highly compressed than HDV which is not a recommended format for editing it is a bluray disc format meaning it is actually like editing MPEG 2.

It's actually Sony and Panasonic. My point is that AVCHD is not going to change. It's not going to get any more "stable". The codec is already out there and being used so and either the NLE makers or the rest of the processing (hardware) technology has to catch up. And I believe they are.

Bt the way, I love the Panasonic HDC-SD1. If only it was much easier to handle the clips. Right now, even transcoding it with Final Cut Pro is quite a pain.

Uncompressed still better lah.

 

[DXNMedia]

Uncompressed HD is of course good, but workflow, hdd space & data throughput is not ideal for the average post house/video guy.

Now I wonder who is going to embark on Apple's ProRes422 compression as a camera's recording format? ;p

Wafian already used CineForm's compression as a HDD recorder to use with cameras with HDSDI output.

Card base? Tape base? or HDD based....See which format & compression algorithm is the better one that will prevail. :thumbsup:

Meanwhile for SD work, i am putting my bet that miniDV, DVCAM & Digital betacam will stay for a while....at least still within the next 3-5 years.

2 cents... :thumbsup: