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kahheng said:
indeed. i must agree that katherine's choice of words weren't the best, but you might want to think from her perspective. ladies typically cherish the Big Day more than us guys, so this was something intangible that she lost out on.
at least, even if you had to be sarcastic, try to write in jest; a light touch of humour. the way you wrote, i would have a 30% guess that you're the one mentioned, though in reality you're not. write in a manner that addresses the issue, rather than complicate matters
sehsuan said:indeed. i must agree that katherine's choice of words weren't the best, but you might want to think from her perspective. ladies typically cherish the Big Day more than us guys, so this was something intangible that she lost out on.
at least, even if you had to be sarcastic, try to write in jest; a light touch of humour. the way you wrote, i would have a 30% guess that you're the one mentioned, though in reality you're not. write in a manner that addresses the issue, rather than complicate matters
You're a real SNAG Sehsuan. Not me unfortunately. I am afraid I am one of those barbaric males. :angel:
BTW, it's not about her choice of words that "weren't the best". It's more like what's the ultimate point of her post anyway? It's clearly just to elicit public sympathy (isn't it more appropriate to seek that from friends and family?). On that, I have none to offer. I'd reserve it for those who haven't been able to rebuild their lives after the tsunami, the oppressed in Darfour, the Iraqis whose lives have been shattered by non-stop terrorism perpetrated by both American and Islamic radicals, my neighbour whose husband just passed away, the poor hungry kitten downstairs.
For a hysterical woman whose photographer didn't turn up for her wedding? Oh boohoo.
If she wants to warn people not to be defrauded by (Soh) Kah Heng, eh please lah, there are more appropriate forums that other people preparing for their weddings will use. Tell me for what?
kenele
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I join hand with a fellow photog (from clunsnap) for a actual day wedding shotwhile I'll do the videoing on 1st July, he wanted some experience and I took him on, agree to pay him some more. Last week I reminded him and he reply that he cannot made it. Fortunately I check with him, he didn't bother to call me even. I hate to think of the consequences if he just don't turn up. I hate to mention the youngster name ? The problem is, what he don't realize is jeopardize my arrangement. I've already committed and it's hard to find a replacement at such short noticed. Fortunately another fellow photog agreed to jump in. Thank God!
kahheng said:
we all need some where to expresss oursleves. Much as some people who try to act cute by throwing uncalled-for sacarsm around, there are some people who wants words of understanding in a forum.
Who is to decide what forum is appropriate ? especially when u have people even talking about aircrafts under clubsnap's kopi-taim, i think a discussion about errant photographers in clubsnap kopitam seems reasonable.
cosycatus said:
I agree fully. Cosycatus, sehsuan and student - my kudos for your clear thinking and manly stand. Katherine, my sympathy to your unfortunate difficulties. Thanks for your posting and keeping us CSers abreast of what happened. I am sure it was not easy. We have all learned from your experience.
Yes, it's me. And yes, you all should know why I have decided to pop into this thread.
Now, as far as I can see, Katherine didn't do anything wrong by sharing her story. Now, whether it is for the sole reason of eliciting public sympathy or just to warn others of such a photographer, I will not venture to guess but benefit of doubt should be given. Either way, all of us here can learn something about a client's mindset.
As for everyone else who has publicly voiced their disapproval of such utter lack of professionalism, I am quite sure you already had your say in this matter.
A few of the more experienced CSers here have already start posting "+1" (as a not so subtle hint perhaps?) which i think reflects upon the growing maturity of this community. Of course we are all humans and sometimes, we do allow our emotions to get the better of us but like everything else, restraint can be cultivated.
I will not lock this thread but i much rather see everyone just let this whole issue die down and maybe, have everyone else move on.
Thank you.
Now, as far as I can see, Katherine didn't do anything wrong by sharing her story. Now, whether it is for the sole reason of eliciting public sympathy or just to warn others of such a photographer, I will not venture to guess but benefit of doubt should be given. Either way, all of us here can learn something about a client's mindset.
As for everyone else who has publicly voiced their disapproval of such utter lack of professionalism, I am quite sure you already had your say in this matter.
A few of the more experienced CSers here have already start posting "+1" (as a not so subtle hint perhaps?) which i think reflects upon the growing maturity of this community. Of course we are all humans and sometimes, we do allow our emotions to get the better of us but like everything else, restraint can be cultivated.
I will not lock this thread but i much rather see everyone just let this whole issue die down and maybe, have everyone else move on.
Thank you.
Sion
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kahheng said:
Heheh Kahheng, you have a famous name now.
If a girl doesn't come to CS to look for commiseration, where else you think she go to? CSers have got broad shoulders.
Even SPG came to CS to look for a photographer. That says a lot about how trusting we are. :lovegrin:
Forget about the new husband. We're are your friend.
snowspeeder
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The victim here has every right to share her story. What we can learn from this unfortunate episode (for photographers and couples)...
For couples:
1) Make every effort to research a little on the photographer you're dealling with. Meet with him, observe his behaviour and presentation. If you don't feel right, trust your gut feeling. Get someone else to do the job. Price is not everything. Quality and trust pretty much is.
2) From the time that you book the photographer till your wedding date, communicate with the photographer about your plans for the wedding day. If he does not call or email you, call him.
3) Always have a back up plan in place (eg. backup photographers). If the fella cannot be contacted the day before, activate "Plan B".
For the Photographer:
1) When you give your word to the couple, honor it. Regardless of what happened to you on the day or before, as long as your life is not in danger and you can reach for the phone, make every effort to call the couple and explain. Remember that your word is your bond. And what you say and do reflects who you really are within. Everything else is secondary. Be responsible...what goes around, comes around.
2) It is important to make the couple feel comfortable with you. When they are, you will gain the trust. Do so with a heart of sincerity.
3) Putting in that extra effort for the wedding couple does not make you a loser (we know wedding photographers mostly don't earn much relative to the amount of effort put in the entire day + post processing). Run that extra mile for the lovely couple, let them appreciate you, and the opportunity for repeat business via referrals is almost guaranteed!
For couples:
1) Make every effort to research a little on the photographer you're dealling with. Meet with him, observe his behaviour and presentation. If you don't feel right, trust your gut feeling. Get someone else to do the job. Price is not everything. Quality and trust pretty much is.
2) From the time that you book the photographer till your wedding date, communicate with the photographer about your plans for the wedding day. If he does not call or email you, call him.
3) Always have a back up plan in place (eg. backup photographers). If the fella cannot be contacted the day before, activate "Plan B".
For the Photographer:
1) When you give your word to the couple, honor it. Regardless of what happened to you on the day or before, as long as your life is not in danger and you can reach for the phone, make every effort to call the couple and explain. Remember that your word is your bond. And what you say and do reflects who you really are within. Everything else is secondary. Be responsible...what goes around, comes around.
2) It is important to make the couple feel comfortable with you. When they are, you will gain the trust. Do so with a heart of sincerity.
3) Putting in that extra effort for the wedding couple does not make you a loser (we know wedding photographers mostly don't earn much relative to the amount of effort put in the entire day + post processing). Run that extra mile for the lovely couple, let them appreciate you, and the opportunity for repeat business via referrals is almost guaranteed!
Well if want to play safe, I will encourage that to get a wedding planner then. They will not run away and more responsible. Some of the freelance peoples not really care. For thier point of view is "I refund you money loh, what a big deal". But for wedding couple, is a BIG DAY for them ! Freelance = FREE & RUN !! Or at least sign the black & white agreement, so that if they didn't turn out, he will have to compensate the couples.
Sorry to hear your misfortunes. My wife agrees with you that the guy u hired is a sh*thead. Very irresponsible!!!!
I think its important to get professional and reliable photographers cos the event cannot kok up. Since wedding is once in a lifetime and you are already spending so much money, no amount of money can compensate for missed moments. worst the actual day is already SO BZ and you still had to scramble for a backup photographer.
I think for all those who are preparing for wedding day, do think of spending a bit more to get a good photographer - i know i did for my wedding day.
I strongly recommend photographers like ESPN to do the job if they free cos you probably get some peace of mind because at least they have decency to turn up.
Can please post this joker's number so that we all can mark him. (got photo better still - post so that we can all avoid !)
2 cents
sam
PS: of course if he is framed, he can always use this forum to vindicate himself.
I think its important to get professional and reliable photographers cos the event cannot kok up. Since wedding is once in a lifetime and you are already spending so much money, no amount of money can compensate for missed moments. worst the actual day is already SO BZ and you still had to scramble for a backup photographer.
I think for all those who are preparing for wedding day, do think of spending a bit more to get a good photographer - i know i did for my wedding day.
I strongly recommend photographers like ESPN to do the job if they free cos you probably get some peace of mind because at least they have decency to turn up.
Can please post this joker's number so that we all can mark him. (got photo better still - post so that we can all avoid !)
2 cents
sam
PS: of course if he is framed, he can always use this forum to vindicate himself.
Just to share my experiences, whether it's freelance or professional, if the event is important, don't leave things to chance.
For my wedding actual day, my wife hired a professional photographer, who was just starting out at that time cos she liked the portfolio. The morning part was great and everything went smoothly. As we ended quite early in the afternoon, the photographer went back.
For the evening part, the photographer was suppose to be there early to take photographs of the preparation process. As the time draw nearly, there were no phone calls ( we expected the photographer to ask for the room number ). That's when we decided to call the photographer's mobile. Many attempted were made but no one picked up. We managed to call someone who has the photographer's home number and finally got through and would be on the way. From the voice, I could conclude that the photographer was sleeping.
Had I not made the phone call, who knows what might have happened? Just something I feel I want to share.
For my wedding actual day, my wife hired a professional photographer, who was just starting out at that time cos she liked the portfolio. The morning part was great and everything went smoothly. As we ended quite early in the afternoon, the photographer went back.
For the evening part, the photographer was suppose to be there early to take photographs of the preparation process. As the time draw nearly, there were no phone calls ( we expected the photographer to ask for the room number ). That's when we decided to call the photographer's mobile. Many attempted were made but no one picked up. We managed to call someone who has the photographer's home number and finally got through and would be on the way. From the voice, I could conclude that the photographer was sleeping.
Had I not made the phone call, who knows what might have happened? Just something I feel I want to share.
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