In Rome on a sunny afternoon, guess who I ran into at the Trevi Fountain!
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student said:
I second that. I have refrained from commenting because I thought enough has been said and I think everyone has made their point. I was just surprised that this thread is still alive! I totally agree with Student, comments should be made in a civil manner. Let's display some social grace, whether in cyberspace or otherwise. Isn't this forum about sharing? And in this spirit, like what Student said, to dish out critique "with a dose of love". To be honest, I doubt DP or others in the habit of dishing out such sarcasm are such nasty people in real life. Perhaps DP, you should ask yourself, would you have said such things to another person in the face like you have in CS? I would think not. If I'm wrong then, I have nothing to say......
Well, chillout everyone. Live and let live.
I should have done my homework better. I should have done more reading before commenting on this thread. If I knew there was so much hatred on this thread I would have never entered, and definitly never commented the pictures.
Come on people, you call yoursef adults or professionals? Show some professionalism! However DP used to comment other people's work, if you don't like his ways of expressing criticism, don't use them on anybody, DP included. It is not nice to hide behind the anonymous wall of internet using our aliases as a kind of excuse to say things we would never say face to face to anybody. I know, I was hard on him too, but really, I regret everything I said, specially now that I understood the magnitude of this hatred. Well, without you knowing my 7-year old son, I promise, he is doing better than these two pictures. By that I am not saying he is a better photographer than DP, at least not yet.
I have now removed my previous comments from this thread, in protest against the hatred expressed on this thread agains DP and many others.
Come on people, you call yoursef adults or professionals? Show some professionalism! However DP used to comment other people's work, if you don't like his ways of expressing criticism, don't use them on anybody, DP included. It is not nice to hide behind the anonymous wall of internet using our aliases as a kind of excuse to say things we would never say face to face to anybody. I know, I was hard on him too, but really, I regret everything I said, specially now that I understood the magnitude of this hatred. Well, without you knowing my 7-year old son, I promise, he is doing better than these two pictures. By that I am not saying he is a better photographer than DP, at least not yet.
I have now removed my previous comments from this thread, in protest against the hatred expressed on this thread agains DP and many others.
Well said, i think there are many poeple who just cannot stand the way he comments and are just waiting for the opportunity to slip in a punch, and now they have gotten their opportunity. DP comments are caustic, they are blunt, and they are sometimes downright hurtful. but still its better than some here who hide behind hey self righteous mask and twist words. Anyway, this 2 pics are snapshots, and he admits that they are just snapshots... some other take lousy snapshots and try to pass them off as art. And when they cant succeed... you all should know what happens next ... :bsmilie:
better deal with the devil than judas... :bsmilie:
Sorry for the OT,
better deal with the devil than judas... :bsmilie:
Sorry for the OT,
smurfman said:
Yup, it's enough. DP's got more than his fair share.
Anyway, to student:
I'd wax more lyrical if you toss some kodak golden bricks that's rumoured to be hoarded in your fridge at the moment.
and an extra shutter compur blade + pin so I can repair my goddamn 1930s rolleicord...sigh.
Anyway, to student:
I'd wax more lyrical if you toss some kodak golden bricks that's rumoured to be hoarded in your fridge at the moment.
and an extra shutter compur blade + pin so I can repair my goddamn 1930s rolleicord...sigh.
Wow......one comment from Mr Photo and it turn into a chain of reactions. This got to be one of the most bo liao thread. Instead of talking about snap shot photos by Anthony, why not you all try some snap shots and post in here too. See what kinda of reaction you can get.....:bsmilie:
personally, the issue was never with the way DP dishes out his so-called "brutally honest truths". if one were to pick a bone with every DP-styled comments here in Clubsnap, that person would indeed be very bo-liao and busy indeed! :bsmilie:
if anything, what he says and does here is a reflection of who he choose to represent himself as. any mature and level-headed forum reader here would be able to see that for him/herself, without all the extra hoo-haa.
for those who has not the privilege of entering into a "healthy discussion" with DP (as he likes to put it that way), you might not be able to appreciate the context in which some of the replies directed at DP were made.
that said, i've mentioned the deliberate targetting of DP for the sake of revenge and tit-for-tat would be no better than being outrightly malicious. hope those who did would practise more restrain and tolerance, as this "DP" issue could potentially be a landmark case in CS :bsmilie:
if anything, what he says and does here is a reflection of who he choose to represent himself as. any mature and level-headed forum reader here would be able to see that for him/herself, without all the extra hoo-haa.
for those who has not the privilege of entering into a "healthy discussion" with DP (as he likes to put it that way), you might not be able to appreciate the context in which some of the replies directed at DP were made.
that said, i've mentioned the deliberate targetting of DP for the sake of revenge and tit-for-tat would be no better than being outrightly malicious. hope those who did would practise more restrain and tolerance, as this "DP" issue could potentially be a landmark case in CS :bsmilie:
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I think it was Atticus Finch (in Harper Lee's "To kill a mockingbird") who said: "You never really know a man until you stand in his shoes and walk around in them."
So let's try standing in his shoes. Where is he coming from?
Anyone remembers the show "Dead Poets Society" starring Robin Williams? I do. A simple Google search throws up quite a few interesting insights into why our friend chose his particular nickname.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097165/#comment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Poets_Society
It's basically about a teacher who passionately tries to teach non-conformity and free speech to those under his charge. Isn't that what DP stands for?
The catch-phrase "Carpe Diem" (seize the day) can indeed be applied to these particular snapshots - taking advantage of a serendipitious moment.
The tragedy (and we can learn from this) is that in his enthusiasm to teach non-conformity, one of his students commits suicide (maybe someone was too harsh in his critique?).
Anyway, I still believe we should try to be polite as far as possible.
So let's try standing in his shoes. Where is he coming from?
Anyone remembers the show "Dead Poets Society" starring Robin Williams? I do. A simple Google search throws up quite a few interesting insights into why our friend chose his particular nickname.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097165/#comment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Poets_Society
It's basically about a teacher who passionately tries to teach non-conformity and free speech to those under his charge. Isn't that what DP stands for?
The catch-phrase "Carpe Diem" (seize the day) can indeed be applied to these particular snapshots - taking advantage of a serendipitious moment.
The tragedy (and we can learn from this) is that in his enthusiasm to teach non-conformity, one of his students commits suicide (maybe someone was too harsh in his critique?).
Anyway, I still believe we should try to be polite as far as possible.
StreetShooter said:
short of quoting every single scenario in question, other than putting ourselves in his shoes, why not step into the context of the others?
i believe i would be speaking for a number of us here:-
in general, there is no problem whatsoever with the purported principles of freedom of expression, embracing of non-conformity DP so advocates. for those who have a problem with conforming to un-confirmity, even more kudos to you!:sweatsm:
no problem whatsover with the so-called championing of the right to speak 'truthfully' and not sugarcoat patronising comments (disclaimer: as long the wishes of those who don't subscribe to that are respected). for those who took to his comments badly, too bad. if you are strong enough to stand by your works, no one is going to take anything away from you, u can only gain from it. a bad response just shows a weakness in character.
personally, to a certain extent, i don't even have a problem with the way DP expresses his criticism and "critiques". all here are able to see for ourselves and decide the kind of character he presents himself to be here. there's no need for the extra hoo-haa questioning of his photographic credibility or credentials either.
however,
i do have a pissed-off pea-in-the-pillow with the way DP hides behind all the grandiose freedom evangelical speeches he so oft-preaches here to launch scathing personal attacks which falls nowhere in the category of "constructive". the most obvious example of which (to me) is this. to a much smaller extent, the way he conveniently using the same "principles" he subscribes to as a deflection shield to dismiss the responses (some ill-intended, mostly rational) which happen to be made in the same name of free speech.
Streetshooter, is this the characteristics of an enthusiastic teacher of non-conformity? a tragedy of the wrong analogy, maybe.
With all due respects, Sir, I sincerely believe you have made your remarks as a result of a carefully researched background, not a serendipitous moment in moderation.
this is so dreary! i'm going to enjoy my long weekend =)
waiaung said:
And you conveniently and selectively forget falsely accusing me of being anti-photoshop?
Well, Cedrick could see from some of my images that they had undergone a lot of photoshop. Since you accused me of anti-photoshop, it only makes sense that you could not see what Cedrick saw. No? Or would you selectively forget this also?
I hope not.
Such selective memory loss can be a harbinger to some serious mental disorders.
Or have you started in that journey already?
gundugundu
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student said:
Who is Cedrick?
StreetShooter
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Stereobox said:
Hey, I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt.
I hate his guts as much as you do. (free speech, right? I can say that right?)
As for the carefully researched background in serendipitious moderation: le kong simi?
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