In Help in NUDE Photo Taking
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Well I will say go for it. I know I will. You get experince only after you do that some thing for a few time. But if is a first time work relationship with the model, you might want to get a female make up artisie to tag along. And tell the model it is neceessary as the make up artisie will ensure her make up and hair will look in place. But most important that person can back up that you don't do any thing hanky panky. As you most likely ask the make up artisie help to "adjust" what you think need to adjust. :embrass: So no touching issue :nono:
Then a model release is a must and must be sign by all parties. Unless you are happy viewing the picture just by yourself. That a bit scary.
Under Singapore law and yes it is stated. If the pictures dun display sex explotation like pubic area or pubic hair or sex organs or couples or more doing sexual act(like intercourse) is not classifed as porno. Nude photography is allow in Singapore but not pornography.
I have done a few nude locally and most of these are organize by local photography clubs and have not hear them getting into trouble. But again that is a group thing, now that you alone, better take some kind precautions. I even have people paid me to do nude photography for them. So there nothing wrong with nude photography in Singapore if you are professional enough. Enjoy yourself, :thumbsup:
Then a model release is a must and must be sign by all parties. Unless you are happy viewing the picture just by yourself. That a bit scary.
Under Singapore law and yes it is stated. If the pictures dun display sex explotation like pubic area or pubic hair or sex organs or couples or more doing sexual act(like intercourse) is not classifed as porno. Nude photography is allow in Singapore but not pornography.
I have done a few nude locally and most of these are organize by local photography clubs and have not hear them getting into trouble. But again that is a group thing, now that you alone, better take some kind precautions. I even have people paid me to do nude photography for them. So there nothing wrong with nude photography in Singapore if you are professional enough. Enjoy yourself, :thumbsup:
Aww Come on, ban the tread?
it makes interesting reading, you can ban the photo stoot but I think discussing it is not against the law.
it makes interesting reading, you can ban the photo stoot but I think discussing it is not against the law.
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I think the community can benefit if you let them know under which specific Act and section you are referring to.
cheers!
cheers!
singscott said:
I am quite sure Larry has basically outlined the stand of this forum very succiently in regards to nude photography. There is no point going on and on and on deliberating the merits and demerits of the rules we have in place here. We've explained it alot of time and we do keep the entire forum in perspective when we do any revisions to these safeguards we have in place.
In regards to the nude shoot...
As far as i i can seel, the most telling post is by "Student". He has asked very pointed questions about you accepting the "assignment", the reasons behind the shoot and of course i would like to add, your state of mind regarding this shoot.
Do reconsider.
In regards to the nude shoot...
As far as i i can seel, the most telling post is by "Student". He has asked very pointed questions about you accepting the "assignment", the reasons behind the shoot and of course i would like to add, your state of mind regarding this shoot.
Do reconsider.
Though I have no experience in model shoots (not even to mention nude. I can't even distinguish between porn and artistic photography), here's my opinion.
1) Consent form, to be signed by the model, yourself and a 3rd independent, neutral witness. Triplicate it.
2) Shoot in film, DON'T DO IT IN DIGITAL. Self-develop the negatives with her presence (if possible, the witness) and pass all copies to her after the negatives had been developed. Destroy all unused negatives by shredding and fire and of cos, get her signature that all extra/unused copies had been certified as destroyed. Triplicate the form too.
3) Don't keep any extra copies for urself even if that shot is totally blurred and outta focus.
4) Have the presence of another female in the room. Do another form for this extra female presence. Triplicate this form too.
5) Utilise ur left brain, use ur right brain and leave the other head somewhere else
6) No unnatural or over-sexy poses that will identify it as outright porn shots
7) Don't boast of ur personal sexual conquests after the shoot. Many a times, lawsuits arises frm "Men's Talk". Finish the shoot, take it outta ur head. Forget about it. Don't even think of it.
8) Do not talk to the model unless necessary, be professional, no crazy requests. Otherwise u'll be in big trouble if u let ur tongue slip and she sues u for sexual harrassment.
9) Keep ur eyes off certain areas. Eye-off, mind-off and be at peace.
10) Finally, hardcopy prints only (IF she consents u to have the extra copies which u muz make another form again). No digital and definitely NO PUBLIC POSTINGS EVEN IF IT MEANS TO BOOST UR PERSONAL PROFILE. There are some very lame ppl out there who wun hesitate to identify nude artistic shots with pornography immediately and take it as such. Of cos, unless personally requested by very close and trusted chaps, never, never show it off.
That's my 2 cents on this entire thing. Though my take here may seem a little 'military-style' but I think that's the best way to avoid any future confrontations and possible blackmail.
Of cos, dun ever dump those forms! They are ur talismans to keep urself frm harm!
1) Consent form, to be signed by the model, yourself and a 3rd independent, neutral witness. Triplicate it.
2) Shoot in film, DON'T DO IT IN DIGITAL. Self-develop the negatives with her presence (if possible, the witness) and pass all copies to her after the negatives had been developed. Destroy all unused negatives by shredding and fire and of cos, get her signature that all extra/unused copies had been certified as destroyed. Triplicate the form too.
3) Don't keep any extra copies for urself even if that shot is totally blurred and outta focus.
4) Have the presence of another female in the room. Do another form for this extra female presence. Triplicate this form too.
5) Utilise ur left brain, use ur right brain and leave the other head somewhere else
6) No unnatural or over-sexy poses that will identify it as outright porn shots
7) Don't boast of ur personal sexual conquests after the shoot. Many a times, lawsuits arises frm "Men's Talk". Finish the shoot, take it outta ur head. Forget about it. Don't even think of it.
8) Do not talk to the model unless necessary, be professional, no crazy requests. Otherwise u'll be in big trouble if u let ur tongue slip and she sues u for sexual harrassment.
9) Keep ur eyes off certain areas. Eye-off, mind-off and be at peace.
10) Finally, hardcopy prints only (IF she consents u to have the extra copies which u muz make another form again). No digital and definitely NO PUBLIC POSTINGS EVEN IF IT MEANS TO BOOST UR PERSONAL PROFILE. There are some very lame ppl out there who wun hesitate to identify nude artistic shots with pornography immediately and take it as such. Of cos, unless personally requested by very close and trusted chaps, never, never show it off.
That's my 2 cents on this entire thing. Though my take here may seem a little 'military-style' but I think that's the best way to avoid any future confrontations and possible blackmail.
Of cos, dun ever dump those forms! They are ur talismans to keep urself frm harm!
I think this is really much ado about nothing.
pornography is designed to cause sexual arousal, (ie: a fair majority of your audience must be inclined to think its sole merit is sexual arousal, not the occasional pervert who upon seeing the statue of david or the venus de milo and gets aroused.)
think about it, la salle already does nude paintings and I've had the opportunity to view public art galleries in Singapore with full frontal/side/top/bottom nudity (even photography - even though its sepia/blackwhite).
(although personally, I find it immensely BORING. its not my cup of tea)
in so much so, a model release is a must.
some writings.
http://www.singaporetheatre.com/written_articles/Obscenity and the Law.htm
in anycase, if you read the statutes on obscenity in singapore (www.agc.gov.sg) and the implications that obscenity implies intent to deprave and corrupt...
then nothing can deprave and corrupt one who already is, so from my subjective pov, there is no such thing as obscenity 8)
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btw: you're not steve chia right 8) make sure the maid is over 20.
heh
by the way, I just sent the pertinent questions to feedback unit.
pornography is designed to cause sexual arousal, (ie: a fair majority of your audience must be inclined to think its sole merit is sexual arousal, not the occasional pervert who upon seeing the statue of david or the venus de milo and gets aroused.)
think about it, la salle already does nude paintings and I've had the opportunity to view public art galleries in Singapore with full frontal/side/top/bottom nudity (even photography - even though its sepia/blackwhite).
(although personally, I find it immensely BORING. its not my cup of tea)
in so much so, a model release is a must.
some writings.
http://www.singaporetheatre.com/written_articles/Obscenity and the Law.htm
in anycase, if you read the statutes on obscenity in singapore (www.agc.gov.sg) and the implications that obscenity implies intent to deprave and corrupt...
then nothing can deprave and corrupt one who already is, so from my subjective pov, there is no such thing as obscenity 8)
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btw: you're not steve chia right 8) make sure the maid is over 20.
heh
by the way, I just sent the pertinent questions to feedback unit.
loupgarou said:
Ya loh :what: I think some people are way off. Do it on negative then burn them :dunno: Or there people say thing like make sure she have the negative dun shoot digital. :nono:
We are photographer not noddle hawker. As photographer we deserve to show other our work from landscape to tasteful nude. Just get the basic precaution like model release, not photographing what law think as "OBSCENE" and have a lady assitance or make up artisite around should do the trick. Then the person we are photographing should know we are going to show other people our work. Or else if she dun agree then it shouldn't happen. :sweatsm:
Gaffar King said:
Ya Gaffer The Model :bsmilie: :sweat: :bsmilie: I am singaporean, by all mean show me some tasteful nude. It not porngraphy that I want to see. Please dun stereotype every Singaporean. :nono:
from undesirable publications act.
Meaning of obscene
3. For the purposes of this Act, a publication is obscene if its effect or (where the publication comprises 2 or more distinct parts or items) the effect of any one of its parts or items is, if taken as a whole, such as to tend to deprave and corrupt persons who are likely, having regard to all relevant circumstances, to read, see or hear the matter contained or embodied in it.
(2) In determining for the purposes of this Act whether or not any publication is objectionable, the following matters shall be considered:
(a) the extent and degree to which, and the manner in which, the publication
(i) describes, depicts or otherwise deals with acts of torture, the infliction of serious physical harm, sexual conduct or violence or coercion in association with sexual conduct;
(ii) exploits the nudity of persons or children or both;
(iii) promotes or encourages criminal acts or acts of terrorism;
(iv) represents, directly or indirectly, that members of any particular community or group are inherently inferior to other members of the public or of any other community or group;
(b) the impact of the medium in which the publication is presented;
(c) the character of the publication, including any merit, value or importance that the publication has in relation to literary, artistic, social, cultural, educational, scientific or other matters;
(d) the standards of morality, decency and propriety that are generally accepted by reasonable members of the community; and
(e) the persons, classes of persons or age groups of the persons to whom the publication is intended or is likely to be made available.
[9/98]
(3) The question whether or not a publication is objectionable is a matter for the expert judgment of any person authorised or required by or pursuant to this Act to determine it, and evidence as to or proof of any of the matters or particulars that the person is required to consider in determining that question is not essential to its determination except that if such evidence or proof of such matters or particulars is available, that person shall take that evidence or proof into consideration.
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Offences involving obscene publications
11. Any person who
(a) makes or reproduces, or makes or reproduces for the purposes of sale, supply, exhibition or distribution to any other person;
(b) imports or has in his possession for the purposes of sale, supply, exhibition or distribution to any other person; or
(c) sells, offers for sale, supplies, offers to supply, exhibits or distributes to any other person,
any obscene publication (not being a prohibited publication) knowing or having reasonable cause to believe the publication to be obscene shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or to both.
[8A
[9/98]
Offences involving objectionable publications
12. Any person who
(a) makes or reproduces, or makes or reproduces for the purposes of sale, supply, exhibition or distribution to any other person;
(b) imports or has in his possession for the purposes of sale, supply, exhibition or distribution to any other person; or
(c) sells, offers for sale, supplies, offers to supply, exhibits or distributes to any other person,
any objectionable publication (not being a prohibited publication) knowing or having reasonable cause to believe the publication to be objectionable shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both.
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by the way, if you read the definition above, it is always to regards to "any other person" . "any other person" doesn't include the parties already involved (ie: the photographer and the model)
so by definition, if the work is for private consumption (ie: you) and the model has a release and consent (as such an involved person). seems like private consumption is ok.
Meaning of obscene
3. For the purposes of this Act, a publication is obscene if its effect or (where the publication comprises 2 or more distinct parts or items) the effect of any one of its parts or items is, if taken as a whole, such as to tend to deprave and corrupt persons who are likely, having regard to all relevant circumstances, to read, see or hear the matter contained or embodied in it.
(2) In determining for the purposes of this Act whether or not any publication is objectionable, the following matters shall be considered:
(a) the extent and degree to which, and the manner in which, the publication
(i) describes, depicts or otherwise deals with acts of torture, the infliction of serious physical harm, sexual conduct or violence or coercion in association with sexual conduct;
(ii) exploits the nudity of persons or children or both;
(iii) promotes or encourages criminal acts or acts of terrorism;
(iv) represents, directly or indirectly, that members of any particular community or group are inherently inferior to other members of the public or of any other community or group;
(b) the impact of the medium in which the publication is presented;
(c) the character of the publication, including any merit, value or importance that the publication has in relation to literary, artistic, social, cultural, educational, scientific or other matters;
(d) the standards of morality, decency and propriety that are generally accepted by reasonable members of the community; and
(e) the persons, classes of persons or age groups of the persons to whom the publication is intended or is likely to be made available.
[9/98]
(3) The question whether or not a publication is objectionable is a matter for the expert judgment of any person authorised or required by or pursuant to this Act to determine it, and evidence as to or proof of any of the matters or particulars that the person is required to consider in determining that question is not essential to its determination except that if such evidence or proof of such matters or particulars is available, that person shall take that evidence or proof into consideration.
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Offences involving obscene publications
11. Any person who
(a) makes or reproduces, or makes or reproduces for the purposes of sale, supply, exhibition or distribution to any other person;
(b) imports or has in his possession for the purposes of sale, supply, exhibition or distribution to any other person; or
(c) sells, offers for sale, supplies, offers to supply, exhibits or distributes to any other person,
any obscene publication (not being a prohibited publication) knowing or having reasonable cause to believe the publication to be obscene shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or to both.
[8A
[9/98]
Offences involving objectionable publications
12. Any person who
(a) makes or reproduces, or makes or reproduces for the purposes of sale, supply, exhibition or distribution to any other person;
(b) imports or has in his possession for the purposes of sale, supply, exhibition or distribution to any other person; or
(c) sells, offers for sale, supplies, offers to supply, exhibits or distributes to any other person,
any objectionable publication (not being a prohibited publication) knowing or having reasonable cause to believe the publication to be objectionable shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both.
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by the way, if you read the definition above, it is always to regards to "any other person" . "any other person" doesn't include the parties already involved (ie: the photographer and the model)
so by definition, if the work is for private consumption (ie: you) and the model has a release and consent (as such an involved person). seems like private consumption is ok.
dzulhjdzaid will know if it ok to do the nude shoot. Like he said, he's been approached and how he had been approached, we don't know. But as a man, his primal instincts will tell him if if there is anything more than just doing a shoot. :think: However if you have doubts or are hesitant, then my advice is, don't do it. :angel: Or you can politely turn down her offer and gauge her reaction.
loupgarou said:
I am sorry if I am misunderstood. Obviously we all have to start somewhere!
No question is on a broader basis. If I am experienced photographer who had done nude photography, and have a portfolio to show, and words get around. A friend of a friend got to know this and wanted some images of her to remind herself of her youth. So she got her friend to contact me and asked me to photograph her. Well, I would expect payment for this work, unless we have mutual arrangements otherwise.
But if I do not have experience in such work, why should a friend of a friend ask me to photograph her? Would you if you are a woman? Would you ask a photographer to photograph you so that the photographer improve his photography? Of course it is still possible, just for the fun of it. And this should be clear. I dare say if one have little experience in photographying nude, you first attempts are not going to be good.
My question is really for one to contemplate the issues, not a challenge to say if one can do it. I would be very surprise myself if an unknown person asked me to photograph her nude. If a friend asked me, well, this may be a little different, but still I would take caution.
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