In Help in NUDE Photo Taking

[zaren]

I am sorry if I am misunderstood. Obviously we all have to start somewhere!

No question is on a broader basis. If I am experienced photographer who had done nude photography, and have a portfolio to show, and words get around. A friend of a friend got to know this and wanted some images of her to remind herself of her youth. So she got her friend to contact me and asked me to photograph her. Well, I would expect payment for this work, unless we have mutual arrangements otherwise.

But if I do not have experience in such work, why should a friend of a friend ask me to photograph her? Would you if you are a woman? Would you ask a photographer to photograph you so that the photographer improve his photography? Of course it is still possible, just for the fun of it. And this should be clear. I dare say if one have little experience in photographying nude, you first attempts are not going to be good.

My question is really for one to contemplate the issues, not a challenge to say if one can do it. I would be very surprise myself if an unknown person asked me to photograph her nude. If a friend asked me, well, this may be a little different, but still I would take caution.

the model might feel more comfortable with a photog friend (amateur though he may be) rather than a pro nude photog who is a complete stranger. nude models also have to start somewhere, doing a nude shoot with a fellow newbie photog may seem like a good way to ease into nude photography.

 

[L-MoLe]

Disclaimer - I'm not sure if nude photography is legal in Singapore.
I do come across one foreign Photo Gallery in the net that have nude photography. They are not pornography. They were artistic shots. Are they legal in Singapore? I really don't know.

1) If nude photography was legal in Singapore, there would still be risk after the shoot. How can we make sure that the storage medium (film/ harddisk /storage cards) will not fall in wrong hands?
Once the photos have been downloaded into the computer, they will be exposed to hackers. Distribution of photos become easy. This is the risk.
Even if you deleted the photos, there are still chances of recovering them.
Are you willing to take the risk? What happen if her photos were distributed through the net? Does this affect her?
I don't believe in Total privacy.

2) If nude photography was illegal in Singapore, eh.... I think we can delete this thread already..... seriously.

 

[student]

the model might feel more comfortable with a photog friend (amateur though he may be) rather than a pro nude photog who is a complete stranger. nude models also have to start somewhere, doing a nude shoot with a fellow newbie photog may seem like a good way to ease into nude photography.

What you said is entirely possible - a newbie model working with a friend who is a newbie photographer.

But let me bring you back to the CONTEXT, how this thread got started in the first place.

Remember the model was NOT dzulhjdzaid's friend ( a friend of a friend). And dz's friend will not be at the shoot. So while everything is possible, I do not see some difficulties in your scenario.

 

[student]

Disclaimer - I'm not sure if nude photography is legal in Singapore.

Letme give two examples

1 Sometime early this year an amateur photographer by the name of Thierry Delarue (based in Singapore) had an exhibition of nude photography in MITA.

2 Go to Kinikuniya now and you see tons (OK exagerrating!) of books on nude photography, including one titled something like this: 50 YEARS OF PLAYBOY.

Is nude photography legal?

 

[T.A.]

What the point if you can't own the image?

Learn something loh. I had only done it once with my ex but she would only allow it on polaroid and the agreement was that it had to be destroyed later. Had my fun, my personal model (someone familiar ro me rather than a stranger) and I could get her into any position w/o worrying abt touching ... I'm kinda scared of model shoots and I'm just a hobbyist, don't even know about MRFs. :bsmilie:

 

[singscott]

R you happier now that she is your Ex? Where the polaroid? Do you have something to reference to when people ask have you done it? It like taking pictures but never show people or print them or simply nothing to share. :bsmilie: Thus it is as good as nothing have happen but only in your and your ex mind.

 

[T.A.]

Point taken! :embrass: Pics like these, I'll not share :nono: and as I've said, I'm only a hobbyist, I don't do it for a living but for interest sake. I don't see a need to prove myself. :sweat:

Chill out, people may pursue the same interest but each may take different paths to different goals :bsmilie: .

 

[singscott]

Letme give two examples

1 Sometime early this year an amateur photographer by the name of Thierry Delarue (based in Singapore) had an exhibition of nude photography in MITA.

2 Go to Kinikuniya now and you see tons (OK exagerrating!) of books on nude photography, including one titled something like this: 50 YEARS OF PLAYBOY.

Is nude photography legal?

Pirelli Calendar 40 years is my favourite one :bsmilie: UNDESIRABLE PUBLICATIONS ACT CHAPTER 338 state that if the publication is not obsence then there no problem :sweatsm:

 

[singscott]

Point taken! :embrass: Pics like these, I'll not share :nono: and as I've said, I'm only a hobbyist, I don't do it for a living but for interest sake. I don't see a need to prove myself. :sweat:

Chill out, people may pursue the same interest but each may take different paths to different goals :bsmilie: .

Noted Each to his own means I guess. Man Ray will beg for a different almost all his lovers become some form of art

 

[ellery]

has our poster boy check in yet - by now the shoot should have been done. Wonder how it turned out.

Tasteful nudes are more difficult than it looks - to get crass, in your face stuff is easy. Its an area with a whole set of dangers you would not normally face - reputations can go in a blink if the wrong rumours start circulating. Frankly even with digital I would be very careful about doing this with a stranger on a customer client basis (ie 4 eyes meeting style).

 

[singscott]

Good point he seem very quite. It the by stander like us get all work out. :bsmilie:

 

[sehsuan]

wonder why would the "client" want nude photos to be taken for? reminder of youth? personally i don't see much viable rationale for such a shoot.

rather be careful, than to land in hot soup. if anything goes awry, and newsmedia gets wind of it, can forget about being a civil servant lor...

 

[singscott]

Well speaking from experince and conversion from my client. Main reason are:

1) They are young once or 19, 20, 21, 22,...........28 once
2) Some thing special for boyfriend or husband
3) Portfolio
4) Saw some thing "art" they like but want to see themselves in it.
5) Get pictures of how good they look before parts start to
sagging :bigeyes:

You get the idea

 

[vince123123]

and the model has a release and consent (as such an involved person).

where in the Act does the requirement of a release or consent come in? :dunno:

 

[vince123123]

I requote your previous post again: "Under Singapore law and yes it is stated. If the pictures dun display sex explotation like pubic area or pubic hair or sex organs or couples or more doing sexual act(like intercourse) is not classifed as porno. Nude photography is allow in Singapore but not pornography. "

UNDESIRABLE PUBLICATIONS ACT CHAPTER 338 :think:

which section in the Cap 338 imposes this criteria?

 

[singscott]

where in the Act does the requirement of a release or consent come in? :dunno:

Actually Model release form is more for copyright act. You are not allow to display or sale of the image of another person without he or her consent because the subject have copyright also unless they release it to you. Then there the women chapter where the model release more or less show she is a willing party not force in to do these act of modesty.

Roger?

 

[singscott]

I requote your previous post again: "Under Singapore law and yes it is stated. If the pictures dun display sex explotation like pubic area or pubic hair or sex organs or couples or more doing sexual act(like intercourse) is not classifed as porno. Nude photography is allow in Singapore but not pornography. "



which section in the Cap 338 imposes this criteria?

It is generalise under "OBSENCE".

Where a publication is obscene (pornography) if its effect or (where the publication comprises 2 or more distinct parts or items) the effect of any one of its parts or items is, if taken as a whole, such as to tend to deprave and corrupt persons who are likely, having regard to all relevant circumstances, to read, see or hear the matter contained or embodied in it. (That what pornography in their context mean)

There afew phase goes

1) if it describes, depicts or otherwise deals with acts of torture, the infliction of serious physical harm, sexual conduct or violence or coercion in association with sexual conduct;

So the act of sexual conduct, violence or coercion in association with sexual conduct. Mean people "doing" it violence included or not.

2) exploits the nudity of persons or children or both

When you exploit the nudity of persons (mean two or more) or children or both. Mean you make make photo or picture that indention to corrupt mind by showing "equipment". Then it will mean that you "Exploit nudity" then you in the wrong. Not when if it intend to be art.

Clear? Not clear then a lawer is the best to get answers from. After that then post there here. For the benfits of all. :angel:

 

[vince123123]

copyright act? which sections?
women's charter u mean. which section?

Actually Model release form is more for copyright act. You are not allow to display or sale of the image of another person without he or her consent because the subject have copyright also unless they release it to you. Then there the women chapter where the model release more or less show she is a willing party not force in to do these act of modesty.

Roger?

 

[garykoh]

I`ve been approach recently by my fren frenz...to shootz her in NUDE privately in her home. Do i have to prepare myself if happen dat she will "GO AGAINTS ME"
I`ve already ask my fren to be around during shooting....BUT she say NO.!!
Any ADVICE.?? :dunno:

If I understand you correctly, you are being asked by the girl herself to take photograph of her in nude. If this is the case, we are talking about a private arrangement, a private contract and hence we are dealing with contractual obligations.

The distinguishing feature of these obligations is that they are not imposed by law but voluntarily undertakings by the contractual parties. To be in trouble there must be a breach of contract. What is your contract, the details you did not say and I do not know. However, from the few words in your message I can draw that the girl request of you to perform the duty of a photographer to take photograph of her in nude. Consent for you to see her naked is given, it is implied otherwise nude photography cannot be done.

There is however, a product from this undertaking, the photographs of her in nude which may become your property or hers or both. This must clearly stated as part of the contract along with others such as consideration that you may receive for the service so rendered.

What you must watch out is that contractual and tortuous duties may exist concurrently. This may arise because the photograph certainly is very private in nature such that you owe an inescapable duty of care to ensure its privacy even if you are given copies. Depending on the case, a contracting party may able to sue in tort, relying on the duty imposed by general law, so it is prudent that you construct the terms and conditions clearly and explicitly.

If you do not publish or circulate the photographs I can’t see your involvement with publishing Acts.

A written contract is always preferable to verbal. An email can be a contract. State your duty clearly, the consideration whether in monetary term or in kind, the rights to the photographs and its use…..and any things that you feel need to make clear beforehand.

 

[vince123123]

at least someone has a better idea of what the UPA is really for

If you do not publish or circulate the photographs I can’t see your involvement with publishing Acts.

specifically which tort are you referring to?

you owe an inescapable duty of care to ensure its privacy even if you are given copies. Depending on the case, a contracting party may able to sue in tort, relying on the duty imposed by general law