Look at the thread title then you understand what TS is trying to say here
I really think Prosumer Camera can take sharper pictures than DSLR + Cheaper lens
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Look at the thread title then you understand what TS is trying to say here
There's still other factors like startup speed, shutter lag etc.. it may not affect the picture quality, but it can affect whether you got the shot.
Similarly, a DSLR offers higher continuous fps.
And, a PnS offering ISO800 doesn't mean the quality will be the same as ISO800 on a DSLR. Maybe the noise level of ISO100 on PnS is like that of ISO800 on DSLR.
hmm.. Tamron 17-50 VC also comes in canon mount too..
btw, talking about zoom lens.. A DSLR with 18-270mm lens mounted, can let you zoom from 18mm to 270 in a fraction, depending on how fast is your hand. With PnS, you'll just have to wait for the motor to work it's way to bring the view from wide to tele.. by then, the bird maybe fly away already.
Similarly, a DSLR offers higher continuous fps.
And, a PnS offering ISO800 doesn't mean the quality will be the same as ISO800 on a DSLR. Maybe the noise level of ISO100 on PnS is like that of ISO800 on DSLR.
hmm.. Tamron 17-50 VC also comes in canon mount too..
btw, talking about zoom lens.. A DSLR with 18-270mm lens mounted, can let you zoom from 18mm to 270 in a fraction, depending on how fast is your hand. With PnS, you'll just have to wait for the motor to work it's way to bring the view from wide to tele.. by then, the bird maybe fly away already.
I somehow find that for people who only buy a body with 18-270mm VC lens for example, I find the price don't justify, must well just settle down on a prosumer.
The new Canon SX20 IS can shoot up to ISO800 already...
No doubt, D90 is a wonderful DSLR. Tried my friend's one and I like it, and I don't mind changing from my Canon to a Nikon with Tamron 17-50mm VC.
S5 IS zoom speed is very fast with its USM. The lens barrel didn't extend very long, thus the fast zooming speed.
I do managed to shoot some birds with my S5 IS before it flew.
And you will be quite surprise the quality of SX20 IS at ISO 800:
Full image @ 5MP.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/soon/IMG_0021.jpg
Cropped 12MP image:
Cropped 5MP image:
No image processing is done other than resizing. I believe this camera is usable at ISO800. With NR, I think the images will be pretty usable at 5MP~8MP...
And now there are G11 and S90 that is able to provide noise performance comparable with some Olympus and Sony DSLR.
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well this is not the first thread that started such comparison... I think there was even one guys that mentioned that the photos taken from his mobile phone is better than many DSLRs... I guess the manufacturer creates category for different segments of the market they are selling to...
I started with fuji602Z a darn good camera but as I got older, the lcd is too small for me so I upgraded to G7... good prosumer, gives me control but I am limited to the built-in lens... now I am using a DSLR and loving it...
I am still looking for a suitable pns that is waterproof (within my budget) so that I can take some photos when I go snorkeling with my family... I bet this camera will have better output than my DSLR in certain conditions..
I started with fuji602Z a darn good camera but as I got older, the lcd is too small for me so I upgraded to G7... good prosumer, gives me control but I am limited to the built-in lens... now I am using a DSLR and loving it...
I am still looking for a suitable pns that is waterproof (within my budget) so that I can take some photos when I go snorkeling with my family... I bet this camera will have better output than my DSLR in certain conditions..
And then it started to rain....
who's going to feel worse? the guy on the bike or the guy in the ferrari with 5 coats of wax. :bsmilie:
ricleo
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The guy in a convertible ferarri with a manual roof feels the worst
Try some night shots?
As for the zooming speed, if it can zoom very fast from 18mm to 270mm, probably it'll be a pain to set the precise FL, say, 135mm? chances are it will overshoot, then need to adjust back, or stop prematurely, then adjust forward..? Anyway, maybe I'm not in a position to comment on that coz I don't use PnS
As for the zooming speed, if it can zoom very fast from 18mm to 270mm, probably it'll be a pain to set the precise FL, say, 135mm? chances are it will overshoot, then need to adjust back, or stop prematurely, then adjust forward..? Anyway, maybe I'm not in a position to comment on that coz I don't use PnS
wildsoyabean
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and most point and shoot dun have like 15x zoom (if u are refering to 18-270)mm
or 10x zoom (18-200)
they usually comes with 3x zoom. which is 18-55mm??
or 10x zoom (18-200)
they usually comes with 3x zoom. which is 18-55mm??
As mention earlier, if you have lens like Sigma 18-200 non OS, hardly u can tkae night shots also, not forgetting the price of equipment.
I have my DSLR for nightshots.
victorlee10
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I think now the compact cameras are getting very good. Good enough that I would consider the image quality to be equal to an old dslr, eg. d30, d60, 300d even. But the s5is is still not there, I'm referring to the latest generation like the G11. My only dislike is the electronically controlled zoom.
Stratix
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these cameras will never have AF speed faster then SLRs. even with SLRs generations back.
and also, these cameras usually doesnt come with wider angle lenses. 35mm or even 28mm is about the wides. for wide lovers, this is quite a put off.
and no need night shots. indoor with ISO400 already struggling.
and also, these cameras usually doesnt come with wider angle lenses. 35mm or even 28mm is about the wides. for wide lovers, this is quite a put off.
and no need night shots. indoor with ISO400 already struggling.
I'm referring to the noise performance for night shots.. not whether DSLR with cheap lens can take night shot as well as PnS.
When you comparing the ISO800, the difference may not be much for day shots. But for Night shots, the output from the DSLR should be much better than those of PnS.
When you comparing the ISO800, the difference may not be much for day shots. But for Night shots, the output from the DSLR should be much better than those of PnS.
As mention earlier, if you have lens like Sigma 18-200 non OS, hardly u can tkae night shots also, not forgetting the price of equipment.
I have my DSLR for nightshots.
When Prosumer like G11, I think this Prosumer is really on par with some SONY and Olympus DSLRs in terms of noise performance.
Last time, small sensors never did this great.
ISO800
http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/canong11_preview2/originals/img_0267.jpg
ISO 3200
http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/canong11_preview2/originals/img_0240.jpg
spheredome
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If you want front sharp and back also sharp without having to tweak those f-stop, compact is good at it. And indeed S5IS can take very sharp image at low iso.
Unless for high iso 800 and above, the difference is minimal with those tiny 640x480 pics.
Nevertheless, I find that the monotone sharpness of compacts, the overall image becomes very harsh.
Unless for high iso 800 and above, the difference is minimal with those tiny 640x480 pics.
Nevertheless, I find that the monotone sharpness of compacts, the overall image becomes very harsh.
mynameisgreg
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lol i dont see the point of this discussion. Noise performance is attrocious compared to even my dslr which btw is a 500d.and the g11 is in the same price range as the 500d, so how would it even compare to the better DSLRs available?
2ndly, if a compact camera could replace a DSLR there wouldnt be DSLRs around. Even micro 4/3rd cameras cant replace DSLRs and its much more similar to it than compacts. heck, crop cameras cant even replace FF cameras!!
take this example, a BMW 5 series and a HONDA civic type R or something.. 'eh! my kah can go from 0-100 in 6 secs! Beat your BM ah!'
so what?
even if IQ was better than a DSLR there are so many other factors involved which is what has been pointed out so many times in previous posts.
so TS if you still think that a compact is better than a DSLR just because of IQ. your discussion is moot. you are not a photographer but a hobbyist.
2ndly, if a compact camera could replace a DSLR there wouldnt be DSLRs around. Even micro 4/3rd cameras cant replace DSLRs and its much more similar to it than compacts. heck, crop cameras cant even replace FF cameras!!
take this example, a BMW 5 series and a HONDA civic type R or something.. 'eh! my kah can go from 0-100 in 6 secs! Beat your BM ah!'
so what?
even if IQ was better than a DSLR there are so many other factors involved which is what has been pointed out so many times in previous posts.
so TS if you still think that a compact is better than a DSLR just because of IQ. your discussion is moot. you are not a photographer but a hobbyist.
I made a switch from my canon g9, which has poor iso performance and poor bokeh (some weird dots in OOF light sources, dust?) Convenient but the image quality and optical differences are there. The CA that my g9 produces are rather bad, and it's possible to avoid them using dslrs if the glasses are properly chosen. I have seen full size pics of g11 and areas of pure colours don't appear to be as clean as slr outputs at lowest iso under good lighting.
I have seen those sample images and I am very impressed. I just might get it to replace my compact but currently I have too many things on my list I want to buy. And the G series ain't cheap.:bigeyes: I am also looking at the LX3.
Thing is not all of us want to bring our DSLR out with us all the time. Sometimes, all we want to do is to bring a PnS and enjoy the trip.
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spheredome
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Firstly, the topic is about sharper picture than dSLR with a cheaper lens. For the 500D, did you factor in the lens or referring to just the body + kit. I am just quoting from online store price.
Well, as for the on the shelf dSLR, it only reach at the best F1 car speed but prosumer compact has already reach rocket speed of 40-60 fps.
Well, as for the on the shelf dSLR, it only reach at the best F1 car speed but prosumer compact has already reach rocket speed of 40-60 fps.
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